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    Let's See if I Can't Get it Right this Time...

    I've been "out of the game", meaning here on AR, *not* out of the gym, for some time now, and figured a detailed diary of my next cycle would be a nice way to usher in my return to prominence here at the board .

    Below is the 'cliff notes' version of my cycle and all that surrounds it for those looking for a quick overview of everything that encompasses what I'm hoping to do. The remainder of the diary will be a mix of pertinent regular updates and my random thoughts as they flow...so long as they have something to do with my cycle or training. I can see this getting long, so I hope there's at least a good following to make it worth my while. Though, last time i did this, I did discover that keeping the journal was beneficial to my own progress in several ways, regardless of whether or not it was being read at all.

    The Cycle:
    The cycle is a fairly simple and straightforward design with no front-loading or alternating of compounds at critical times. Just a simple test prop (ultra-growth labs) cycle for 11-12 weeks @100mg/day. That is the essential foundation of the cycle though it is very likely that tren (homebrew) will be added to the mix starting @50mg/day and working up to 75mg/day if I feel it is both tolerable and necessary. Clen and ECA on a 2 weeks on and off cycle of each will be utilized. Nolva and dex on hand, of course, though I prefer to use neither, and will not unless necessary.

    The Goals:
    I have NO measurable goals for this cycle per se. I am ingesting these compounds and taking this calculated risks purely for aesthetic purposes, as I'm hoping to make a push at a brief tenure in fitness modeling...not as a career or anything remotely close (which would be tough given how absolutely hideous and borderline deformed i am) but just as a sort of mental satisfaction thing that is somewhat difficult to explain and would take up too much space here. Accordingly, I'll be going *solely* by the mirror and feedback of a trusted critical observer. The scale, tape measure or other numeric methods of feedback will only be used in the event that I perceive something is quite wrong and need to verify or dismiss it concretely. Beginning the cycle, I will be 220lbs +/-2lbs on either side depending on a variety of factors. I've gone as heavy as 265 when making a big time run at strength and size, and imagine my 'ideal look' will put me at 235ish (ballpark).

    The Diet:
    The diet will be outlined in MUCH greater detail below, though, to give you the summary, I'm a fan of fairly significant caloric swings from weight-training days to non-weight training days. Nothing huge...just 300-600kcal depending on how my body is responding and such. Other than that, much of the diet is pretty standard for that part and parcel of a cutting cycle.

    The Supplements:
    Pretty straightforward and simple here as well. Of course taurine and potassium with the clen and cranberry extract and B12 if fina is used. Other than that, protein powders, a multi-vitamin and glutamine is as fancy as I get. Whey and dextrose for PWO, a night time protein for the last meal of a workout day and glutamine @approximately 20grams per day (as high as 30 on workout days)...that's it.

    The Workout:
    Cardio will be performed each and every morning (even if it means my waking up at 4:30a.m., which it has in the time leading up to this cycle), though I'll allow a missed day per week if the cards fall that way and consider the seventh day a bonus...though I've missed but one the last month. Insofar as weight training is concerned, I'm following, more or less to the most minute detail, the Doggcrapp routine which can be found in the workout forums. It has worked quite well for me in the past two months or so as a natural trainer, and I've always believed you "dance with who brung you there" when it comes time to cut...no drastic changing of routines!!

    My Pertinent History:
    I trained regularly for about five years before beginning my "first" cycle, with two of those being pretty serious...the other three being your classic punk teenager workouts that I've come to despise ever so much. As the title indicates, I've not quite gotten things right in the past. Mostly this pertains to steroid use. I attempted one cycle about a year and a half ago that was my virgin run and was supposed to be a 14 weeker of test enan @500mg/week, Equipose @400mg/week and D-bol @40mg/day for the first four weeks. The D-bol was great, the equipose solid, but the test at absolute BEST way underdosed and in all likelihood (at least one bottle for sure) completely FAKE. So, essentially, I did an eq and dbol cycle (great first run, huh?), from which I actually so decent results...so i became quite excited as to what a "real" actual cycle would do for me. On that note, I planned a winter bulker and summer cutter, and ordered both along with ALL necessary ancillaries and whatnot from a source who was, at the time, very reliable and respected. 800 dollars and some change later, I was without the two cycles .

    So, now it's time to do it up right and see what I can get out of the whole thing. I'm VERY excited about this and hope to keep an interesting and informative journal running.

    Looking forward to being a part of AR once again!!!
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    woo hoo. just in time, as i am planning my maiden voyage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisAdams
    woo hoo. just in time, as i am planning my maiden voyage.
    Now that I'm *definitely* looking forward to. By the way, are you still in the city for the summer, or do you hightail it out of there as soon as finals end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreen
    Now that I'm *definitely* looking forward to. By the way, are you still in the city for the summer, or do you hightail it out of there as soon as finals end?
    Woah! Sorry bg. I have been somewhat away from the board for a while and didn't notice the large number of posts you've put in here. I'll make another reply as soon as i'm through reading them.

    Yeah, i high tailed it. I'm back in CT but i'm headed back to boston next week to clear up a few things with school and speak to some professors about research and what-not.

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    Now now BigGreen dont get all huffy puffy on me. I still read your journal every time i get that annoying email indicating you have run off at the mouth again.


    I am definetly following this journal though to see your successes/failures in preparation for my own cutting phase. Even if no one replies to this entire journal it is still beneficial to have for yourself. I really wish that I had access to my previous cycle thread to check the progress.
    Also don't be so sure that your girlfriend won't be accepting of AAS. I was under the impression my g/f would be adamently against such, however, upon informing her a bit about the benefits she too changed her stance. If she is an open minded person she will realize she knows nothing about AAS and therefore can't pass ignorant judgement. I can empathize with you sneaking in shots while showering as I too had to do the same before finally informing her of my use.
    Best of luck and keep us updated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheChosenOne
    Also don't be so sure that your girlfriend won't be accepting of AAS. I was under the impression my g/f would be adamently against such, however, upon informing her a bit about the benefits she too changed her stance. If she is an open minded person she will realize she knows nothing about AAS and therefore can't pass ignorant judgement. I can empathize with you sneaking in shots while showering as I too had to do the same before finally informing her of my use.
    Best of luck and keep us updated.
    I agree. Not only that BigG, but you and I know that a big percent of success comes from your mental well being. If you care for this person I could see possible problems when the going gets tough. I can only stress that it is important to be mentally stable when going in to this. Also who knows, she may even be a good supportive figure...tell her about your goals and what they mean to you personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheChosenOne
    I am definetly following this journal though to see your successes/failures in preparation for my own cutting phase.
    I like how you used the terms 'successes' AND 'failures'. I certainly have no illusions of getting this "right on the money" the first time around and already I've done a few things at least slightly wrong.

    For example, it was likely slightly irresponsible, or at least unwise, for me to go into this cycle without a concrete plan as to what *exact* fat burners and fat burning methods I'll use in addition to if and when I'll introduce fina (i will for sure now, but going in I wasn't certain). This sort of, adjusting on the fly may not be the best idea I've ever had, but it actually *does* have its merits: namely that the cycle is not set in stone and I can adjust accordingly based on biofeedback and the mirror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisAdams
    woo hoo. just in time, as i am planning my maiden voyage.
    so you decided to do it????

    BG..... looks great but i would bump the tren to 75mg ed

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    Quote Originally Posted by damiongage

    BG..... looks great but i would bump the tren to 75mg ed
    I'm still not quite sure if i'm going to even include tren. I mean, i *really* want to, but if you look at my last post, i have some not too minor concerns. If I do include it, I will definitely start @50mg/day to be on the safe side with the eventual hope of hitting 75mg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreen
    I'm still not quite sure if i'm going to even include tren. I mean, i *really* want to, but if you look at my last post, i have some not too minor concerns. If I do include it, I will definitely start @50mg/day to be on the safe side with the eventual hope of hitting 75mg.
    completely understandable.... I have no hairloss worries (not one bald guy in my whole family)....you know your body better than anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damiongage
    completely understandable.... I have no hairloss worries (not one bald guy in my whole family)....you know your body better than anyone.
    It's really the insomnia that gets to me the most. While I suspect the highly anabolic properties of the fina override any anabolic loss deriving from sleep loss, it goes beyond that for me: I just don't function worth of **** mentally and physically without a good night's sleep. As I mentioned above, I'll endure absurd pain in the gym and hobbling around for a day or two after some serious deads and/or squatting, but I don't want to be feeling crappy seven days a week from sleep loss for the benefits of the tren.

    I think i'll go start a thread in the steroids forum regarding tren and insomnia to see how people have "beat" it.

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    I'm looking forward to this. Just curious, why the 40lb drop--cutting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC78
    I'm looking forward to this. Just curious, why the 40lb drop--cutting?
    I should have mentioned this off the bat, as it's a critical part of my endeavors here, but I'm largely undertaking this cycle as a means to make that final push towards fitness modeling. Nothing to make a career out of or anything, just to say I did it. I imagine it comes from the fact that I was six feet tall by ten or eleven years old and that, in turn, led to my being a gawky mofo. Doing the fitness model gig would be a "so there" of sorts to all those junior high punks who gave me **** for it.


    This has been incredibly difficult mentally and physically - trying to find that proportional range where the guy helping me out wants me to be while simultaneously dealing with the fact that I "feel" smaller and weaker than I am at 260ish (which is true). I am, however, going to stick this out.

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    who is this guy ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyMastur
    who is this guy ??
    Bastard....my microsoft paint number on you should have etched my memory into your grey matter forever.

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    My Goals and Concerns for this Go-Around

    THE GOALS:

    In a move some might question, I've decided NOT to step on a scale throughout the entirety of this cycle. Not until it's complete will i know what I weigh. Of course, this doesn't preclude jumping on for spot checks if there is some kind of emergency as in I genuinely feel i'm getting nothing out of the cycle at all or that I'm losing too much weight too quickly...but those are exceptions i do not expect to encounter. The scale of late has become more of a hinderance for me than a help, as I tend to get caught up in the numbers. This would be great if my goal were to weigh a certain bodyweight, but the goal is in fact to look a certain way; accordingly, if the goal is "a look", i believe it only makes sense to measure progress in the same manner as you measure the goal.

    That being said, the goal is difficult to explain. As mentioned above, I'm undertaking this cycle in the hopes of giving fitness modeling a run. This isn't a crackpot fantasy (well, sort of, as I am hideously deformed above the neck...i mean, my nose and eyes are in the right place...but that's about where it ends ) as I've been told by two people within the industry whom I trust that I have a frame that could lend itself to such an endeavor. I have a very honest, objective, critical and realistic notion of what it is I both want to look like and believe I can attain. As I said, it's rather difficult to describe, but I imagine most people on this site would consider the final product that I envision a tad bit sleeker and "smaller" than they'd like to be....just a guess. This is not to say i won't be bitten by the size bug once again come winter bulking time. The idea of creeping up above 280 while I'm still young enough to do it without seriously compromising my health continues to pull at my heartstrings, so to speak.

    Additionally, but VERY secondarily, I wouldn't mind seeing some nice strength increases as a motivator/morale boost...if (and it's still a somewhat big if) I include fina, i suspect this will take care of itself somewhat readily. Otherwise, i'll be rather modest in this regard.

    THE CONCERNS:


    My primary concern, believe it or not, is hairloss. Obviously if i'm undertaking this for almost purely aesthetic purposes, hair loss (particulary on a guy who looks dead awful without hair...i know this cuz i shaved my head once) would be a huge detriment in the overall scheme of things. I went 15 weeks on equipose without so much as a hair falling out...and i've made it a quarter century without even the slightest sign of receding hair or any thinning spots to speak of. In fact, good hair runs deep in my family...still, it'll be on my mind.

    Otherwise, a lingering concern on my part is whether or not to include fina. I've debated a good 6-8 week run many times in the past, and it is an alluring compound to say the least. Certain sides, however, may mitigate that allure...i don't mind taking a calculated risk or dealing with sides in a sensible manner, but I'm not quite ready to make myself consistently uncomfortable (insomnia, kidney pains, etc, etc) for this goal. Uncomfortable in the gym, yes...intense pain in the gym even...of course. But not consistent inconvenience and lingering nagging ****...

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    Is this a cycle diary or a ****ed dissertation? You son of a bitch. I'm looking forward to tracking your progress. I say go with the clen and tren also, but if you don't feel comfortable with insomnia, neither may be good for you. Make sure you get yourself a nice ECA stack for the time being. Keep us posted, fagboy*.






    *Couldn't resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rambo
    Is this a cycle diary or a ****ed dissertation? You son of a bitch. I'm looking forward to tracking your progress. I say go with the clen and tren also, but if you don't feel comfortable with insomnia, neither may be good for you. Make sure you get yourself a nice ECA stack for the time being. Keep us posted, fagboy*.
    *Couldn't resist.
    Yeah, i'll be putting together a homemade ECA stack to tide me over...a gas station down the street from me - of all friggin places - sells pure ephedrine; the no-doz and aspirin is the easy part, so i'm all set. And this may be the first time in my AR tenure that I really, really wish swear words were still allowed, so I could send some your way.

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    Some Thoughts on ED injections

    While I'm only four days in, and thus four injections in, I honestly have to say that I find ED injections (at least right now) almost preferable to the E3D run in say a deca/test enan stack. Mentally and psychologically, there's no doubt a certain "edge" that comes from going through the process daily...it just makes you feel like you're no-doubt 'using' each and every day. Logisitically, it just sort of makes them easier. When I was hitting two a week, those two days, while I looked forward to them for the purpose of AAS intake, were not looked upon favorably from a piercing my skin standpoint, as poking a sharp piece of metal through my skin and into my body was simply not the norm...with ED injects, even only four days in, it's such a part of the daily grind that i don't look at them as something to be trepid about - it's just not possible to squeeze them in with all the other daily BS if I'm wasting time fretting about them on any level.

    Oh, yet another VERY important lesson learned regarding injections: Pre-icing to numb the area does NOTHING! On my last cycle, which was my first if you recall, I would ice the area each time to dull the pain of the actual injection process. With it being an ED issue now, i just don't want to dedicate that kind of time and energy to injecting on a daily basis, so I sucked it up......there was nothing to "suck up". I feel no more or no less pain just sitting down coming in from grocery shopping and poking myself than i did with ten minutes of ice-pak prep. Mentally, it may help with your first few injections just to pop the cherry, but after that, there is absolutely no need. Now i look back on those ice-pak days feeling like such a tool.

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    Some Random Thoughts....

    Well, tomorrow is a big day since it represents the first time I'll be going to the upper body for injections. I was previously an all-quad kind of guy but in the past two days have found glutes even easier. However, as I don't think that a left quad/right quad/left glute/right glute rotation will cut it, i'm going to attempt to toss pecs into the mix tomorrow. That's going to be just a tad bit nerve wracking, as I'm certain the Pulp Fiction adrenaline shot scene will be running through my head the WHOLE time.

    I'm going to post up a diet critique and in the diet section and then repost here as well as link to the original diet forum thread for future reference and also hope to get up some pics real soon....all the mirrors in my house, however, are the cabinet type and you can't get a good body shot picture since it's three tiny mirrors made to be one big one but with divides in between that skew everything. I'll figure out soemthing because I DON'T want to be one of those guys who snaps a pic in the locker room...just not ready for that kind of step.

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    The Diet...

    FOR YOUR REFERENCE, THIS DIET HAS BEEN SCRAPPED IN FAVOR OF ONE FOUND APPROXIMATELY SIX OR SEVEN POSTS BELOW.

    My diet varies somewhat drastically (relatively speaking) from workout days (monday/wed/saturday normally) and non-workout days. Every day, whether a workout or non-workout day is started with 45 minutes of cardio @ 70% MHR for 45 minutes on an empty stomach. Below are the breakdowns for each day. I am a creature of habit when I need to be, so this is, with very little deviation, what i eat day in and day out.

    Workout Day:

    Meal One: "homemade breakfast shake" (whey, oatmeal, etc) - 67g carbs, 57g pro, 9g fat for a total of 570 kcals.
    Meals 3 through 7: every hour and a half during work an EAS low carb MRP bar for a total of 18g *impact* carbs (more on this later), 156g pro, 30g fat for a total-total of 1,250kcal
    Meal 8: 4 whole eggs and 8 egg whites - 5g carbs, 53g pro, 20g fat for a total of 436 kcal
    Meal 9 (PWO): PWO Shake - 108g carbs, 53g pro, 6g fat for a total of 700kcal
    Meal 10: Can of tuna - 0g carbs, 37g pro, 2.5g fat for a total of 175kcal
    Meal 11: Chicken Breast - 0g carbs, 24g pro, 2g fat for a total of 120kcal

    Workout day total: 198g carbs, 379g pro, 70g fat for a total of 3261 kcal

    Non-Workout Day

    Meal One: "non-workout breakfast shake" (whey, etc) - 40g carbs, 52g pro, 6g fat for a total of 420kcals.
    Meals 3 through 7: every hour and a half during work an EAS low carb MRP bar for a total of 18g *impact* carbs (more on this later), 156g pro, 30g fat for a total-total of 1,250kcal
    Meal 8: 4 whole eggs and 8 egg whites - 5g carbs, 53g pro, 20g fat for a total of 436 kcal
    Meal 9: Can of tuna - 0g carbs, 37g pro, 2.5g fat for a total of 175kcal

    Non-workout day total: 63g carbs, 298g pro, 60g fat for a total of 2,291kcal

    I realize that the workout day diet looks more like a clean bulk to most, but as I'm working in a physical laborer position for the summer, i think it's not only warranted, but needed. Thus far, it's paring the weight off at a nice even pace, and I think the 1,000 kcal swing from workout day to non-workout day keeps my body from adjusting. Perhaps as i get into the lower ranges of bodyfat I'll be forced to lower the workout day kcals and bring the two closer together, but for now at least it appears to be doing the trick.

    Any critiques, suggestions, etc? I know i mentioned "impact carbs"....the bars i eat during the workday (and I have no choice...can NOT make real food work on this job in ANY capacity) contain 18g of carbs apiece, but only 3 are "impact" carbs. WHile I know waht impact carbs are and how they are supposed to relate to dietary needs, I'm wondering if they hold the same value with someone training for my goals as they do for a 40 year old accountant just trying to shed some weight for the fourth of july?

    Any and all feedback appreciated. Thanks.
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    where are you shooting????

    I hit quads, delts, and tris.....but this time i will add bis

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    Here is the thread i posted up in the diet forum, and as it's already getting feedback that I think will open up some doors for a lot of people, I'm going to link it here so you can all head over there without searching for it.

    http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?t=102052

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    First ever above the waist injection...

    I hit up my left pec with a ml of prop about two hours ago and, while it went a whole hell of a lot easier than I thought it would have, I'm thinking it's not going to feel so hot in the a.m., despite dutiful massaging, rubbing and praying. I may consider delts and even biceps for future injections, that way i'm on a rotation schedule wherein every site is hit once every ten days...but we'll see. If the left pec is screaming tomorrow, i'll certainly be tossing biceps by the wayside and having serious second thoughts about delts.

    Horrendous thunder storms last night kept me up pretty late so I bailed on A.M. cardio for the first time in about four weeks...truth be told, I relished the rest and it was a welcome change not to have to hit that treadmill this morning. Of course, the good to come of it all is that I am absolutely burning to get on the thing tomorrow morning, so the drive is still very much there.

    With regards to prop, is 10-14 days the normal timeframe in which people really start to 'feel' the stuff? All that i've been feeling thus far I write off to placebo effect at present, since i'm only on day five.

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    Hey BG I dont have time to respond to this right now but I definetly have some things to add. I speak from experience on the QV batch that was crap as well. Best of luck bro and I'll post a little later on for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheChosenOne
    Hey BG I dont have time to respond to this right now but I definetly have some things to add. I speak from experience on the QV batch that was crap as well. Best of luck bro and I'll post a little later on for you.
    ****, good to see you on here still...while I haven't been posting I've been lurking for the last few months when I had the chance and hadn't seen much of ya. You *will* be around to get your ass handed to you in fantasy football again I presume??

    Anyway, looking forward to your suggestions and also hoping that the workout we hammered out together before my hiatus did you some good. I've really revamped the diet to a significant degree, and will be posting the changes here hopefully tonight. I'm slated for a photo session august the fourth, so I have plenty of time to play seeing as how i'm fairly content with where I am now in the grand scheme of things. Though I'm happy now, I know that I really could have made some good use of a winter bulker had the scam not gone down....

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    The Great One had wondered if you had fallen off the earth and died or if you were just hiding to try to escape the wrath of The Chosen One in ARFFL2. Glad to see you have graced The King with your presence once again.
    (Ok enough of third person for now)

    On to your cycle and diet. I feel your pain of the EQ only cycle. Being that I too had the same crap batch of QVE. I ended up putting on only about 10lbs, but had trouble keeping that after PCT. I just finished 2nd or should I call it my 1 1/2 cycle of EQ, Enan, & Fina. Let me put it in terms that you may understand. The Fina was roughly the equivalent to Joe Horn for Juggernaut. If Joe Horn hadn't been in Jugg's lineup his season would have been an utter failure. I relate fina to my cycle in the same regard. The bulk of my weight gain and strength came while using tren ED @75mg. All in all I finished with roughly 25lbs or so (3-4lbs H20). I would guess that 60-70% of that weight came from my fina portion of the cycle.
    The only side effects I dealt with were: perspiring perfusely and acne. I would occasionally get the fina cough, but that would only last for a few minutes after my injection once or twice a week; certainly nothing I couldnt tolerate. I know you said you were concerned about insomnia. I personally didn't find it difficult to sleep the entire night through. I may get up once or twice during the night to kick the covers off the bed because I was hot, but never did I have a large difficulty sleeping. The sweating kind of got to me after a while. By the time I was done with my cycle I had ended up with the worst case of jock itch known to man because my legs would sweat so bad all the time. Word of the wise stock up on Gold Bond and maybe even some Lamisil to prevent the feeling of little midgets (sorry Mass) burning your sack constantly.
    I know you said you were worried about hair loss. I too experienced no hair loss while on dbol/eq. I also had the same hair loss results with Fina. I would say maybe if I ran my hand through my hair I might get two stray hairs to fall out max.
    Hit your delts. I did ED injects with Delts and Glutes only. I will do it the same way again next time around also.
    Looking at your diet I am going to go contrary to Daman and say that you need more carbs than he has alotted for you. If you were working a sedentary job then your body wouldn't necessarily need the carbs, however that is not your case. You are doing cardio and sound to be quite active during the work day therefore using your body's glycogen stores are being depleted and need to be replenished in order to prevent catabolism. I have personally followed a diet exactly like the one he laid out for you and found that only taking in about 160 C a day split through 2 meals caused me to lose too much muscle in the process. Now I realize that you are incorporating AAS in the scheme of things, but I just know personally muscle loss for me occurs with only 2 P/C meals and 4 P/F meals. I know you said you have been following a DC approach and I know he advocates not changing your diet drastically (like the one outlined), but changing your cardio and cutting your carbs off by 6pm (5hrs before bed). It's my understanding that DC employs the same cutting methods that helped you bulk in the first place but to a lesser degree. It's going to be trial and error until you can come up with whatever works best for you, but I thought I would throw out my two cents.


    *How did the law school deal go? I haven't seen a post about anything so I am curious as to how all the played out.
    *Three more months until you experience total domination by The Dynasty once again.
    LONG LIVE THE KING!!

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    What about Winstrol?

    Has anyone used it and what are the results and side effects?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mb2b4
    Has anyone used it and what are the results and side effects?
    Many people have used it and there are differing results and sides....though you won't get much traffic for your question in the middle of a fairly specific cycle journal having nothing to do with winny. I'd either search this very forum for "winny" or "winstrol" or run a general search in all forums. An even better starting point is the AR main page (not the forum main page) where each drug has dedicated to it a brief summary of just what you are looking for. In fact, I'm feeling cheery mentally despite my physical ailments tonight, so here's the direct link in the event you check back:

    http://www.steroid.com/87.php

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    The Diet I'm Going To Run For A Bit

    Below is the diet i've elected to run for a little bit. I like the decent calorie and carb cycling built in on workout and non-workout days. All the food sources look to be 'spic-n-span' clean and i hope to do well on it. In the past, i've skirted a very fine line while trying to cut, often oscillating between vascular and defined and flat and depleted from day-to-day with no real rationale or explanation as to why that I could locate. I'm hoping to stick with this one i have for at least three weeks. Again, I'm going by the mirror and not the scale for this one, so if I feel as though I'm looking too flat consistently, without those days of vascularity and fullness, i will most definitely play with carbs by adding another carb source to a meal early in the day.

    Workout Days:

    4:45 a.m. - wake and perform morning cardio (45 mins @70% MHR)

    6:00 a.m. - 4 whole eggs and 8 egg whites (hard boiled)
    ***5g carbs, 53g pro, 20g fat, 436kcal

    9:00 a.m. - whey and water mix along with 1/4 cup almonds
    ***15g carbs, 47g pro, 19g fat, 410kcal

    12:00 p.m. - one and a half chicken breasts and 1/2 cup brown rice
    ***33g carbs, 41g pro, 4g fat, 330kcal

    3:00 p.m. - whey and water mix along with 1/4 cup almonds
    ***15g carbs, 47g pro, 19g fat, 410kcal

    5:30/6:00 p.m. - WORKOUT

    7:15 p.m. - PWO whey and dextrose shake
    ***75 g carbs, 60g pro, 0g fat, 540kcal

    8:15 p.m. - can of tuna fish, 1/2cup brown rice
    ***33g carbs, 40g pro, 3.5g fat, 325kcal

    10:00 p.m. - casein and 1 tbsp natural peanut butter
    ***3g carbs, 44g pro, 8g fat, 244kcal

    Workout Day Totals: 179g carbs, 352g pro, 74g fat, 2695kcal

    Non-Workout Days

    4:45 a.m. - wake and perform morning cardio (45 mins @70% MHR)

    6:00 a.m. - 4 whole eggs and 8 egg whites (hard boiled)
    ***5g carbs, 53g pro, 20g fat, 436kcal,

    9:00 a.m. - whey and water mix along with 1/4 cup almonds
    ***15g carbs, 47g pro, 19g fat, 410kcal

    12:00 p.m. - one and a half chicken breasts and 1/2 cup rice
    ***33g carbs, 41g pro, 4g fat, 330kcal

    3:00 p.m. - whey and water mix along with 1/4 cup almonds
    ***15g carbs, 47g pro, 19g fat, 410kcal

    6:00 p.m. - can of tuna fish and 1/4 cup almonds
    ***5g carbs, 44g pro, 17.5g fat, 345kcal

    9:00 p.m. - chicken breast and 2 tbsp natural peanut butter
    ***6g carbs, 44g pro, 19g fat, 390kcal

    Non-Workout Day Totals: 79g carbs, 276g pro, 98.5g fat, 2321kcal

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    LOVE the pec injections!!

    WOW....can i just tell you that if you haven't tried pec injections before and are in need of decent site rotation you absolutely MUST give the pecs a try? Hell, if I do a winter bulker and only do two injections a week, pecs might just be my two sites. I can't believe how easy they are to hit and how little pain lingers. I'm playing with other upper body sites now, having just hit my delt for the first time...also fairly easy. I may go on a ten site or so rotation so that each site is hit only ever week and a half...this should minimize scar tissue and make it easier to take an ED inject cycle out to 12-13 weeks if i so desire. Very pleased.

    Anyway, have some updates and some concerns to get out, but will update after my workout....which if i'm going to make it in time to keep up with my eating schedule, i have to head out the door for right this second.

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    A really *minor* setback...

    The use of AAS is virtually always associated with progess and positive results, and expectations going into a cycle mirror these associations for just about all of us. This is why I was more than just a tad disheartened when I appeared to be taking at least a small step back upon beginning this cycle. In the days (maybe even two weeks) leading up to the cycle, my legs in particular were looking very sharp, with veins criss-crossing every which way across the quads and calves. Upon beginning the cycle, however, hardly 24 hours passed after my first injection and this definition seemed to blur a bit. Within 48 hours, it seemed to be all but gone. A portion of this had no doubt become mental, but it was certainly there nonetheless. Prop, i assumed, being a classic cutter, would not be something that would cause bloat...let alone bloat to this degree (relatively speaking given the speed with which it occurred). However, upon asking in the main forum, I received a few well-reasoned responses which I feel warrants my posting a direct link here for those who are interested:

    http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?t=102617

    Needless to say, I consider it the most minor of setbacks, and know that once the positive effects kick into full swing, they'll no doubt catch me up and then some pretty **** quickly.

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    I'm feeling like total wasteproduct today and almost have to wonder if it's the somewhat laid back version of the sus flu that a good chunk of prop users report experiencing when they first start running it. I mean, it's a little bit of everything: headache, nausea, aches, dry mouth...YUCK! It's certainly not an infection, as I'm not running a fever, nor is an injection site swollen, in inordinate pain or at all inflamed. I'm off to nap now in the hopes it diminishes and won't screw with my workout tomorrow.

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    Good to see you around again BigG. I'll be following this cycle closely, as I'm interested in watching you attain your goals. I do have a suggestion for you about...
    "I think i'll go start a thread in the steroids forum regarding tren and insomnia to see how people have "beat" it." Couldn't find this thread anywhere...so I'll post here. If you decide to run tren and are worried about the insomnia try this:
    http://www.kilosports.com/productdes...oductName=GABA
    This stuff is real close to GHB and at a 5g dose (maybe more for your size) you should sleep like a baby. It will also help in recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austex
    "I think i'll go start a thread in the steroids forum regarding tren and insomnia to see how people have "beat" it." Couldn't find this thread anywhere...so I'll post here. If you decide to run tren and are worried about the insomnia try this:
    [.
    I did post that thread...let me see if I can't find it.

    EDIT: here it is....interesting stuff too.
    http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?t=101848
    Last edited by BigGreen; 06-01-2004 at 07:35 PM.

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    Oh man. So fitness modelling eh? Harvard law student didn't sound pretentious enough, so you had too add fitness model to it.

    Big green, the harvard law student/fitness model. With a title like that you'd have to beat the ladies off you.

    Now that i'm done making fun of you, i figured that i'll say much of my respect goes to you for your dedication. It seems like you've got everything in order and are working toward an attainable goal, the very recipe for success.

    As for planning my first cycle, this may seem somewhat arrogant, but i don't think only one compound is going to be the route for me. I'm thinking that i'll probably run longer esters but maintain every other day injections, and run two compounds, one of course being testosterone, and possibly a third in anavar for an oral.

    The second compound however leaves me ponderous. Possibly deca? my shoulder hasn't been the same since a dislocation a few years ago. Maybe i can find solace in it's lubricative and collagen stimulating properties? Maybe EQ, to obtain leaner gains and keep the suspicion away. Instead possibly a long estered version of masteron that red star is coming out with soon. Fina is out of the question, as i want my first cycle to be as side effect free as possible. Maybe i'll even splurge and get some primo. Who knows.

    I figured i'd run typical first cycle doses, 500 mg/week for the test, and 400 mg/week for my second compound. Var, if chosen, i'll run the last 8 weeks at 30 mg/day. .25 mg arimidex, and 10 mg nolva all the way through, and pheedno's pct should keep the boobs off me.

    I'm looking forward to this, but i'm also a tad reluctant. I know i'm shorter, (5'9) which makes it's somewhat easier to look like i've got a decent amount of muscle, but i'm really proud of what i've accomplished naturally, and I'm worried that i'll wonder how much farther i could've gone.

    At the same time however, I know that i will have nothing to regret once the cycle is underway, and i gain like i never have before, and never could've imagined.

    I guess we'll see how it goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisAdams
    Oh man. So fitness modelling eh? Harvard law student didn't sound pretentious enough, so you had too add fitness model to it.
    You know it... Actually, truth be told, and I imagine you and several others have run into this, it's a very odd contradiction (at least as people like to neatly view things) that you mold yourself into when you simultaneously dedicate yourself in a big way to something mental (academics in my case) and something physical (this whole "shibang" here). At Dartmouth, I often shocked people when I told them I wasn't on the football team, and when the guy who was bench pressing more than "the townies" set the curve or standard on an exam, it didn't sit well with many people. In law school, I have a suspicion that I'll be one of the few harvard fellas punishing myself with deadlifts and measuring out some whey and dextrose in between contracts and con law lectures.

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisAdams
    As for planning my first cycle, this may seem somewhat arrogant, but i don't think only one compound is going to be the route for me. I'm thinking that i'll probably run longer esters but maintain every other day injections, and run two compounds, one of course being testosterone, and possibly a third in anavar for an oral.
    I completely agree with you. Had my first cycle not been tainted by fake test, it would have been in a similar vein as the one you lay out. I firmly belive there are "newbies" and there are newbies with the former being a group that are newbie by virtue of their not having used AAS alone....and their knowledge being on par with several vets. While this doesn't change us physiologically, it does, in my opinion, indicate that this person can safely and effectively run a more efficient first cycle with the two or three compounds as opposed to the one.

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisAdams
    I'm looking forward to this, but i'm also a tad reluctant. I know i'm shorter, (5'9) which makes it's somewhat easier to look like i've got a decent amount of muscle, but i'm really proud of what i've accomplished naturally, and I'm worried that i'll wonder how much farther i could've gone.
    I would argue that not a single steroid user in the history of this sport/undertaking actually reached their full-on genetic potential before using; not one. For that to occur it would mean that *every* single factor (both those we can influence and those we can not) would have to not only align, but do so for a prolonged period....simply not possible. Now, some may get 99-point "something" of the way there, but i refuse to believe anyone EVER reaches a point where they could not naturally do one minute thing to improve their physique - even if it took a decade for a .001% improvement.

    That being said, I'd be concerned if someone didn't at least acknowledge and confront that issue before their first run. In my mind, it would indicate a mentality possessed by someone not *quite* ready to undertake a self-prescribed course of drugs. This is a commonality I've found with many AR members and users outside of this board who have been successful in their endeavors: they not only acknowledged, but struggled on at least some level with the notion of whether or not they owed it to themselves to take it a tad bit further naturally first....the decision to use AAS may have been easy or difficult, but what was there was that sense of obligation to oneself regarding that very issue. Just something I"ve picked up on.

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    MORE ORGANIZED UPDATES

    After reflecting on a plan to make this journal a bit more "user friendly", I've decided that my weekly updates are now going to be divided into sections, where I'll make comments for the week with regards to each section ("workouts", "diet", "the cycle", "progress", and "looking ahead"). I will of course, be making other posts as necessary, but after reviewing this thing the other night, it became clear that I needed to get it a bit more organized. Thought it's not an end-of-week update, I figured I'd take it for a test drive now.

    Workouts: I will remain faithful to a Doggcrapp style workout, though I have my concerns as to whether one's first run at this style of high-intensity training should come while cutting. Again, as stressed in posts above, strength is making leaps and bounds in some bodyparts (to the degree it can ONLY be attributable to AAS) but actually declining in others. I have my suspicions as to why this is and I'll certainly get into it at my end of the week update should the trend continue.

    Diet: I'm remaining an absolute machine with regard to my diet. No missed meals, no unauthorized foods or cheats and I'm quite pleased with how it's working out. My biggest doubt came in my post-cardio meal no longer containing carbs on the collective advice of Daman, Swole and Farmer (if i recall correctly...my apologies if not). Thus far, however, it has worked out wonderfully, as has my steadfast insistence on weight-training days (three per week) also representing a rather dramatic influx of carbs (more than doubling from non-workout days).

    The Cycle: See above posts, as the cycle itself right now is going very well with the main concern being the occassional ****ty injection that hampers workout. The cycle, and this is what I referenced above, will soon be growing to include a six week run of tren.

    Progress: As mentioned above, after some bloat that came on stronger than I'd anticipated, I just now after about two weeks feel as though I'm back where i started. Should be fun from here on in.

    Looking Forward: Now that I feel i'm back at square one with the bloat under control, I'm really looking for the next three weeks or so before I introduce the fina to represent a big jump in progress. It's my hope to have the next week bring about some noticeable changes in vascularity and definition, as well as a possible turn-around to this "strength loss in certain muscle groups" mystery.

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    Well, it's **** good to see that those viewing it are "in the know". While I'd like it to serve as a wealth of info for newbies or gear virgins in the grand scheme of things, for my own purposes, i'd much rather have a select four or five people who know their stuff browsing consistently, giving feedback, and engaging in meaningful discussion. Speaking of which, as soon as I get the chance, i'll be posting an 'end of week two' update, as well as tossing out some finalized ideas with regards to clen, fina (ordering friday) and just how long I plan to run this thing. I also hope to toss around some ideas on the next cycle as well. We'll see.

    By the way, still LOVIN ed injections.

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    Forgot to add.... I'll normally take about 3 g's with every other meal or so. Sometimes I'll throw in extra flax with the EFA blend. I'm starting to wonder if I should be taking ALOT more with my whole meals.
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