Here I go - First Cycle, test only

[duramaxedge]

goodluck sdizzle..

[SdiZZle]

Alright, I have been back in the gym a few days now, and my weights are right where they were before I got sick. My muscles feel a lot harder then when on cycle. They are not full of water. I like that. Right now about 183lbs. I have some clen I ordered with my letro. I'm thinking of running it soon as I don't know how long it will keep, so I may be heading into a little cut phase here and try to get hard/shredded. After that I'm thinking of running a bulk/cut cycle, like 10wks test, 4wks dbol to start and 4 weeks winny to finish. If I do that I would look to start sometime in march, and that would take me into late may. I'll be looking good next summer, that much is certain. Awesome.

[mperk]

S-man;

That is awsome that you packed on 20 lbs since last Sept! Congrats. I read about your intent to run some clen - I haven't tried it but read in Llewelln's book Anabolics that it is more effective as a fat burner stacked with cyto - might want to look into it. BTW - A lot of his cutting stacks also include winny and proviron as you suggested in your post. Good luck bro - & thanks for the great thread.

Mperk

[SdiZZle]

Yeah, I plan to start running my clen on monday and try to get a little shredded, maybe a lot shredded, we will see. Mperc, what is Cyto- haven't heard of that. I don't plan to run any anabolics with my clen, I understand that some muscle loss will be involved but I plan to do my best to keep that at a minimum. I don't plan to start my next cycle until march or so.

PCT update- still 184 lbs, still lifting the same weight as I did right off cycle, so I am right where I was before I got sick, now it's time to start moving those weights up again.

S

[mperk]

Yeah, I plan to start running my clen on monday and try to get a little shredded, maybe a lot shredded, we will see. Mperc, what is Cyto- haven't heard of that. I don't plan to run any anabolics with my clen, I understand that some muscle loss will be involved but I plan to do my best to keep that at a minimum. I don't plan to start my next cycle until march or so.

PCT update- still 184 lbs, still lifting the same weight as I did right off cycle, so I am right where I was before I got sick, now it's time to start moving those weights up again.

S

Hey Sdizzle;

I have read in numerous BB sites that the Cytomel/Clenbuterol stack is recommended for cutting. They recommend 3 weeks of clen followed by 3-4 weeks of cyto followed by 3 weeks of Clen. there is some synergy between the two that is supposed to maximize fat metabolism. Hmm

Send me a pm and i'll e-mail you a scan of the pages in the book "Anabolics" if you like.

Later bro.

[SdiZZle]

Letro and Nolva are 2 different things. Letro is an aromotase inhibitor. Basically it stops your body from converting test into estrogen. Letro is very good at this, and after a short while you will have next to no estrogen in your body. This is not ideal, your joints can hurt more, and your cholesterol levels ect. will be thrown out of whack - but - Tons of estrogen=gyno and bloating. So you can run .25 mg letro through out your cycle and keep your estrogen problems to a min.

Nolva is a SERM- basically it binds to estrogen receptors so estrogen can't. But- if you have next to no estrogen in your body you don't need a SERM, there is no estrogen to block.

So- IMHO I would run letro during cycle, and use nolve for PCT after your cycle.
Thats my plan next time.

S

[SdiZZle]

Day one of my Clen today. Glad to report lion supplied the real deal, as my hands were shakey, I felt hot, and when I bent over to put on my shoes I got the worst cramp of my life in my lower abs. I woke up and did 45 min. of cardio on my elliptical machine, breaking every 10 min. to do 20 crunches, 20 pushups, 20 bodybuilders. That felt awesome, then I took 60 mcg clen. Also I have cut a lot of carbs and calories out of my diet. It looks something like this-

After 45 min cardio-
Organic Rasin Bran w/ skim milk, cup OJ, protien shake (2 scoops nitrotech whey protien in water)

2hrs later- can tuna w/ mayo brown rice

1 hr later- Workout Followed Immediately by 2 scoops nitrotech in water

2hrs later- ckn breast w/ broccoli

2hrs later- ckn breast w/ broccoli

2hrs later- can tuna w/ mayo

Followed by whatever I can snag at work.

That is pretty much it, boring, but I think it will be effective.

Also- more then 10000 views- AWESOME- thanks guys for your interest and support.

S

[SdiZZle]

gotta love serial posters with nothing to say. 45 min elliptical again today, with 100 crunches, 100 pushups and 100 bodybuilders spread throughout. Feels good to get up and get moving first thing. Followed this with 60 mcg clen and my breakfast. I added 2 bannanas for potasium and taurine to my breakfast to fight cramps. I'm heading to the gym right now, lets see if this clen helps me move more weight or what.

S

[maxmz]

Hey bro congrats on your progress but what are the bodybuilders? (100 bodybuilders) after your pushups.

[mperk]

Sdizzle

Did you start Clen, change your diet and up the cardio to 45 mins at the same time? Do you know whow much you dropped your calorie intake? I assume you were still doing cardio while you were bulking. Should be interesting to see how fast you get shredded with that combo. Thanks for the thread, dude! - Good luck

[SdiZZle]

Bodybuilders are like a squat thrust with a pushup at the bottom. Hold 2 15lb weights in each hand, go down, do a pushup on the weights, stand tall, arms to the sky with the weights, repeat. Get it? They kick your ass.

Mperc- yeah, I started the clen on monday, and re worked my diet.

If you total everything up it looks like this-
2057Kcal, 224g protien, 39.2g fat, 207g carbs

Seems like my carbs are high and my fats are low, I need to figure out a way to fix that.

Also I always do cardio when I hit the gym, but now I also start my day with 45 min medium intensity cardio first thing in the morning to try to burn fat.

S

[mperk]

S
If you need fat try some Flax seed oil in your oatmeal - it's good for u.

[SdiZZle]

Well after consulting the diet forum I have come up with the idea that

45gP/9gF/30gC is ideal, if you extrapolate that you come up with
225/45/150 - if I ditch the brown rice my daily macros are
220/39/160 which is pretty damn close. I think this is what I am going to do. Maybe I should start a new cutting thread.

S

[SdiZZle]

Yo timtim I always see you checkin my thread out- feel free to chime in bro

[boDAWG]

good post man, im thinking about my first test e cycle so this sort of helps, keep us posted and let us know how you do with clen and how much you lose during PCT.

[BEAMERMAN]

this is a great forum love it especailly getting ready to start my first cycle myself

[MMAfanboy]

Yes, this is great.. I wish this threat was stickied.. Sorry for my lack of knowledge but what is clen? is it legal?

Thinking of doing my first cycle (see my thread GOING TO DARKSIDE?) and want to know, honestly do you think it was worth it? Are you glad you went to the darkside? Do you think you will keep most of your gains long term, even if you didn't cycle again? I am in a situation like you are..

[SdiZZle]

yeah, overall I would say it was a pretty awesome experience. I am still wei***ng in at 184lbs so that is a solid 20lb gain, and it has been more then a month since my last shot. I hope to stay right around here, though I may go a little lower as I am cutting right now. Clen is legal by perscription, but you can click on the word----> clen and go from there. It is used for cutting, perfect beast has some awesome clen info if you need it.

[mperk]

yeah, overall I would say it was a pretty awesome experience. I am still wei***ng in at 184lbs so that is a solid 20lb gain, and it has been more then a month since my last shot. I hope to stay right around here, though I may go a little lower as I am cutting right now. Clen is legal by perscription, but you can click on the word----> clen and go from there. It is used for cutting, perfect beast has some awesome clen info if you need it.

S-dude;

You da' man! this thread has been sweet- congrats on the 20# gain - that sounds real solid. What did the misses say? post some pics - see if you can match 'em to the before ones so we all can give you a high 5!

later bro!

[SdiZZle]

march is coming quick. I have 4 carts of finaplix and a 8g conversion kit on hand, so I plan to cook up roughly 8g of tren for myself. I am thinking of running 75mg tren and 50mg winny eod for 6 to 8 weeks. I might throw in some test to maintain my sex drive, but at a small dose. What is a HRT dose? I'll probably find it quick looking around.

PCT update- still running my nolva at 20mg a day, I feel like I'm back on top lately. I have been running clen, eating a slight deficit in kcals, and doing extra cardio. I am at 180lbs right now, but I think I look tighter then I have. My abs always show through (when I shave my crazy hair ). I have a little bit to get rid of on my lower stomach, but from what I read the tren should help too. I may save some of my clen and run it with the tren and winny. who knows.

S

[mperk]

S-Dude - haven't checked this thread in a while - sounds like you are right on track! What's the deal w/ cooking up Tren? - sounds great but I was never good at Chemistry. Does the kit come w instructions? Anyone else tried this? Let me know how it goes.

I started Clen a few days ago and have lots more energy but no noticable shakes or sweats. i started w/ 40 and am up to 60 now and from your report, I am wondering if i got a placebo (globalanabolics). The pills are tiny and don't have much taste - sound familiar? I'm up to 80 on Friday so i'll see if that kicks anything in. I have been working out hard lately and doing extra cardio so maybe that accounts for my 5lb. loss. Don't really want to loose weight - just lower BF.

BTW - you def have to post some pics!

[rodgerj]

Again this is a great thread man. Do you have a new pics? I ordered some Letro for my first cycle in case I get the gyno etc. I was worried about using it though as ppl say you loose gains. Has the Letro had an effect on strength/size? also, what about the Estrogen rebound thing from Letro? I guess that is why it would be better to use during cycle b4 PCT?

[MMAfanboy]

Is Clen dangerous? Are you taking anything else with it?

[rugbyguitargod]

dude! awesome thread! i was kinda worried about doing a cycle (have never done one), but i have been doing some research and i think i want to do a 14 week bulk cycle. good job on the progress!

[THE HESSIAN]

Loved reading this thread, I'm most interested in more detail on your pct. Keep it coming!

[SdiZZle]

I have just finished my at home kitchen chemistry and converted my finaplex into injectable tren a. I am pumped, things went very smooth, I started on saturday and finished today. I converted 8g fina into 68cc's of solution, so if you factor in a 10 to 12% loss during conversion I am looking at just about 105 to 100mg/cc tren. So I have aroung 91 75mg shots of tren, give or take. I plan to run this eod starting... while probably sooner then later now that I have it. It was pretty damn easy to get/convert. I am thinking about trying to convert some synovex and make some at home test prop, can't beat the prices, and you know your sh*t is legit.

PCT updates- kickin ass and taking names. Still holding at 180lbs. The letro hit my sex drive pretty good, but I have been off a while now and it's getting back in gear. My balls are back to normal, I feel normal. 2 months out and its all good so far.

[Cremaster]

SdiZZ- I've read this thread from start to finish several times over the past few months. You've got great discipline and excellent reporting skillZZ! I finally registered (after years of lurking and browsing these forums) so i can give credit where it is due and trade info with other members. Keep up the fantastic work!

[Jfew44]

Missed your whole cycle but I just sat here for like an hour reading it. I couldn't take my eyes off. Anyways congrats on the excellent cycle. Hope you keep it goin for your tren and whatever else you pick (I've heard prop is excellent with it).

[SdiZZle]

Well, I am back at it. I just finished week 2 of my TREN ONLY cycle. After a lot of reading the only thing people seemed to have an issue with was sex drive. I'll get over that, and so far I am not having a problem. I started week 1 with 75mg ED and week 2 with 75mg EOD- which I will continue through week six. Kind of a frontload thing. Anyway, aside from having a hard time sleeping I am doing good- up to 187lbs, and hard pounds. No water weight, nothing. I feel firm, and I'm feeling like a beast in the gym again. Loving it so far, I take one half of one tylanol PM to help me sleep (12.5mg of the sleep drug, forget the name just now, but it seems to be the minimum effective dose to keep me asleep most of the night and not wake up groggy.) You can find the same sleep drug in benedryl and a lot of allergy/ sinus medications. So far so good. Thanks for the kind words about my first cycle.

[Obro]

Big Hi 5 from me to you dude.

I had a great afternoon reading this thread from start to finish. Thanks so much for all the hours you spent typing away.

I think you must have a very good situation at home where you can secretly inject twice a week and the wife has no idea. I'm also thinking about disposing of the needles etc.. you must have a secret bag you take stash somewhere.

Totally with you on C-Bino's Letro thread! I'm sold on Letro for sure.

Anyway. Congratulations and good luck with the next cycle. I look forward to following your progress.

Obro

[SdiZZle]

Well, lets say this... I rack my needles up for the whole week in one shot, so they are sitting in a bag with alcohol swabs ready to roll. I have the mornings before work to myself, as well as saturday morning, so thats all the time I really need. As for disposal- I have a tide bottle I cram everything in and when it is full I drop it off at a local place that does sharps disposal. As long as you keep track of your sh*t its no big deal. Besides, your talking like 5 a day (aside from filling up the weeks supply, which I do sat morning). So far tren only rocks. My muscles feel harder for a longer time after I work them out, and pump up like crazy at the gym. The sleep thing is the only annoying thing thus far, but as I said, a mild sleep aid will take care of that. Thanks again for the kind words guys.

S

[mperk]

Well, lets say this... I rack my needles up for the whole week in one shot, so they are sitting in a bag with alcohol swabs ready to roll. I have the mornings before work to myself, as well as saturday morning, so thats all the time I really need. As for disposal- I have a tide bottle I cram everything in and when it is full I drop it off at a local place that does sharps disposal. As long as you keep track of your sh*t its no big deal. Besides, your talking like 5 a day (aside from filling up the weeks supply, which I do sat morning). So far tren only rocks. My muscles feel harder for a longer time after I work them out, and pump up like crazy at the gym. The sleep thing is the only annoying thing thus far, but as I said, a mild sleep aid will take care of that. Thanks again for the kind words guys.

S

Hey Sdizzle - great to read up on your trek again. Glad to hear it's going well. I am going to finish a 3 mo diet and cut to get my bf daown and then follow you into my first cycle for growth - can't wait - it will be early summer. What doe the wife say? she must have noticed the change in your bod. Good luck buddy!

[Obro]

Thanks Dude, that explains a lot. I wish I had that much free time from the wife for injecting (next cycle).
Here in Thailand there's not exactly a well advertised place that can take care of 'sharps'. I guess I'll just have to save them up and bury them in a ditch between rice feilds.
Thanks for the heads up on Tren also. Sounds like I need to do some research on that for future 'research'.
Keep on keepin' on mate!

[Boochan]

Just read the whole thread. Nice job.

Sounds like you did your homework well before starting. Did you do all your research here or were there other resources you used?

[zartan]

good thread, thanks for the info.

[SdiZZle]

Yo dudes I am back. Getting lean and mean as of late. I have been rocking a Cyclical Ketogenic Diet and shredding off Bodyfat. Getting pretty low and holding 170 lbs. If anyone whants to PM me with help, I have lost touch with some friends in my area, and I would like to make new friends. Infer from that what you will. If you read my thread you will see I like to home brew my own wine and beer, so yeast powder is a must!

Any who, still around. If you dudes want any info on ketogenic diets (which people on this site seem to think are hard to maintain and don't work, both of which are not true) hit me up. I have a lot of info. Lyle McDonald had some awesome books you might want to check out too, The Ketogenic Diet, and Ultimate Diet 2.0 . So I am back for a minute, just trying to get lean this summer to prove I can do it, then bulk back up next winter.

[mperk]

Oh man U rock - can't believe that crazy ass transformation! Welocome back.

[ghettoboyd]

ive been wondering where you have been. loved your thread. you look great man holy shit! hope you post more often

[conehead]

well im going 2 start my cycle after christmas ,ive been training for 6 months now ,im going to take test-e for 12wks an 20mg of nova,ive been told to wait untill ive maxed out on natural ,but i cant wait that long ,im just going to jump in the deep end an take it from there.ill be doing my cycle an eat well an wen im finished ill keep the eatin clean .im 27 5 ft 11 an 11 stone 7lbs ,im hopin to put the same on as yourself .any tips

[SdiZZle]

the one and only tip- which you hear all over but never really hear- Diet, diet, diet, diet. This shit is SERIOUSLY 85% diet, 15% working out. Think of all the dudes you see AL THE TIME at the gym that never look any different. They go for years, and they push weight, but never change. That is because they only have 15% of it figured out. I write down everything I eat and lift, but mostly eat. I just write grams of Protien - Fat - Carbs and do the math myself on Kcals. The gear is also about 35% (135% total with chemical enhancement). Start a log on EVERYTHING you eat, do it religiously. Do it as if it was just as important as finding time to hit the gym almost everyday (it is in fact much more important). If you truely gain control of diet, I feel anything is attainable. Thanks for all the support guys.