Do you have any questions about the Bible?

[magic32]

You also lead me to believe you don't view the resurrection as a physical one, but rather spiritual?

Wow, which Bible do you read, or is your knowledge mostly from hearing what is taught? The Word quite clear on this.

It was physical!

Have you ever used the term “Doubting Thomas”, do you know where it came from? The Bible!

• Jhn 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
  
• Jhn 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
  
• Jhn 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [be] unto you.
  
• Jhn 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
  
• Jhn 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

[magic32]

Well, I am not trying to say I was right, I am merely trying to understand.

In the end the resurrection shows us that Christ has conquered death, and our faith him gives us hope that he will redeem us from our death, it assures us of our faith.

As to his last words, depends on which book were reading, in one he yells out "Father, Father, why have you forsaken me?" Mark, in Luke he yells out "Father, into your hands I commit my Spirit" and I dont remember what Matthew says.

That is absolutely correct, and why Christianity is different from all other faiths, because our God is real and alive.

Ramseys (Pharoh) put it best when he said,

"His (Moses') God IS God."

Sounds like were on the same page, just different paragraphs, bru.

[buffgator]

Wow, which Bible do you read, or is your knowledge mostly from hearing what is taught? The Word quite clear on this.

It was physical!

Have you ever used the term “Doubting Thomas”, do you know where it came from? The Bible!

• Jhn 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
  
• Jhn 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
  
• Jhn 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [be] unto you.
  
• Jhn 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
  
• Jhn 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Yes magic I love you! Finely another person who shares my view that the resurection was a physical one.

[Psychotron]

Wow, which Bible do you read, or is your knowledge mostly from hearing what is taught? The Word quite clear on this.

It was physical!

Have you ever used the term “Doubting Thomas”, do you know where it came from? The Bible!

• Jhn 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
  
• Jhn 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
  
• Jhn 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [be] unto you.
  
• Jhn 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
  
• Jhn 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

My comment had nothing to do with what the Bible teaches. I believe in a physical resurrection, it was hinged on what you said about his resurrection.

[magic32]

My comment had nothing to do with what the Bible teaches. I believe in a physical resurrection, it was hinged on what you said about his resurrection.

Sounds like were on the same page, just different paragraphs, bru.

I agree with you.

[Psychotron]

The resurrection was only a sign to His followers that He had indeed risen. As far as He was concerned it was simply a step. A spirit can't literally die, so Christ simply stopped in for some to see and went home.

I think i looked at the "spirit cant literally die" and thought christ only raised spiritually?

[magic32]

The kicker is that our resurrection will also be physical. Just renewed bodies.

Uh oh!

But what about decay, and what about cremation.

Is anything too hard for God?

[BuffThaStuff]

magic will u view zeitgeist and tell me what u think about what he talks about religion...i posted the site on where to watch it. religion is at the beginning

[Psychotron]

Yes magic I love you! Finely another person who shares my view that the resurection was a physical one.

How many Christians do you know who don't believe in a physical resurrection?

[buffgator]

Most

[buffgator]

Resurestion breaks the bands of physical death
atonement breaks the bands of spiritual

[Psychotron]

Most

Do you hang around with episcopalians?

[magic32]

How many Christians do you know who don't believe in a physical resurrection?

Hopefully all those who read the Bible, it couldn't be more clear.

Alas, there is always dissention.

[magic32]

magic will u view zeitgeist and tell me what u think about what he talks about religion...i posted the site on where to watch it. religion is at the beginning

I'll take a look at it now, I think all mild porn ran me out of there!

[buffgator]

Mostly non denom, babtist and methadist, mormons.

[Psychotron]

Perhaps a change of topic area. I know right now I struggle with believing with everything the Bible tells. For instance, the ages of the men pre-flood, and the flood itself, and the story of the arc.

Most of my time was spent in the New Testament, and it was only recently that I began to really get into the Old Testament. Most of the things I read like the flood defy what I know about the world. For the longest time something that really blocked my faith was the creation account in Genesis and how that aligned with what I know about the universe. That got cleared after I read a book called "The Creator and The Cosmos" by Dr. Hugh Ross and then read this website: http://www.kiva.net/~kls/

But the flood and the account of the arc doesn't add up for me, in the areas one I don't see how Noah managed to get all the "kinds" onto the ship, and the other part that a geological survery says otherwise to a global flood, though a local flood has been shown to have occured around the Black sea as well as where the Euphrates and Tigris are.

[Psychotron]

Mostly non denom, babtist and methadist, mormons.

I would be shocked if a baptist didn't believe in a physical resurrection.

[buffgator]

I would be shocked if a baptist didn't believe in a physical resurrection.

Never speak much about religion with people. I could not even tell you what faith most my close friends are.

[magic32]

Buff,

Zeit was tight, it was certainly a good exercise in how to lead one astray. Although it bothered me initially, calling all religions (including Christianity) ubiquitous mythical dualities, it backed up this theory with lots of supposed evidence.
The principles in that piece fail to consider one integral aspect of the Heavens. The were created by God to display his handiwork and therefore to tell His story (a.k.a. His-tory).

• Psa 19:1The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Although the video tries to discount Christianity by saying the egg came before the chicken, it made the fundamental error of neglecting where the coup came from…God.

Many people run from astrology thinking it evil, when in reality it is of and by God. The issue erupts, as it always does, via the perversion of the stars, or the zodiac as it's come to be called and it's influence in governing lives and foretelling the future. Such things are distinctly forbidden along with witches, wizards, and those with familiar spirits as they not God can easily become the center of one’s life.

• Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
• 1Sa 28:7 Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, [there is] a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.
• 1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me [him] up, whom I shall name unto thee.
• 1Ch 10:13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, [even] against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking [counsel] of [one that had] a familiar spirit, to enquire [of it];
• 2Ch 33:6 And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
• Isa 19:3 And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards.
• Isa 29:4 And thou shalt be brought down, [and] shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.

Sadder still are those who don't believe in this at all.
Is any one familiar with the Bible’s account of summoning of the dead?

[Tock]

The Old Testament is littered with proficies of Jesus' coming and life, all of which He ful***led completely.

Not really.

One prophecy (of many) that immediately comes to mind is:

Isaiah 7:14 --
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

It seems to me that hardly anyone calls the Virgin's son "Immanuel." Most everybody I know refer to him as "Jesus."

[dece870717]

Perhaps a change of topic area. I know right now I struggle with believing with everything the Bible tells. For instance, the ages of the men pre-flood, and the flood itself, and the story of the arc.

Most of my time was spent in the New Testament, and it was only recently that I began to really get into the Old Testament. Most of the things I read like the flood defy what I know about the world. For the longest time something that really blocked my faith was the creation account in Genesis and how that aligned with what I know about the universe. That got cleared after I read a book called "The Creator and The Cosmos" by Dr. Hugh Ross and then read this website: http://www.kiva.net/~kls/

But the flood and the account of the arc doesn't add up for me, in the areas one I don't see how Noah managed to get all the "kinds" onto the ship, and the other part that a geological survery says otherwise to a global flood, though a local flood has been shown to have occured around the Black sea as well as where the Euphrates and Tigris are.

I think there wouldn't be too much of a problem with the age, you got to remember the gene code would have still been almost so perfect and diets also almost perfect.

[magic32]

I think there wouldn't be too much of a problem with the age, you got to remember the gene code would have still been almost so perfect and diets also almost perfect.

Very true, there was no polution, germs, viruses, medicines, ozone damage, etc. All the things that cause us problems were not yet around.

[magic32]

Not really.

One prophecy (of many) that immediately comes to mind is:

Isaiah 7:14 --
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

It seems to me that hardly anyone calls the Virgin's son "Immanuel." Most everybody I know refer to him as "Jesus."

That's a good one, most don't ID him by name, but rather refer to the lamb, savior, deliverer, messiah, etc. There are very many!

[Tock]

That's a good one, most don't ID him by name, but rather refer to the lamb, savior, deliverer, messiah, etc. There are very many!

IMHO, it's a failed prophecy.

He's referred to in the New Testament as Jesus, not Immanuel. The Mormons call their church "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints," not "The Church of Immanuel of Latter Day Saints."

Just my opinion.



But, I have another question for you . . . .

[Tock]

Question:

The Bible tells us in 2 Timothy:

2 Timothy 3:16 --

16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

So, let me ask you these questions:

1) Did the writer of 1st and 2nd Timothy think his own writing was scripture? Or, did he consider scripture to be only the books of the Old Testament, and not his own?

2) How do you know that the words of the Bible are indeed the words of the Creator of the universe?

[thegodfather]

Consider this magic32...Lets go with the premise that God designed all living things, biologically speaking. And, according to all of the evidence you have presented, Satan's influence is only on the psyche, and he has no ability to alter biology. Satan is an INFLUENCE, and therefore cannot directly facilitate changes..........contd below...

So, being that I study biology. There is something called the blood/brain barrier, this means that surrounding your brain&your CNS, very few things are able to pass through this barrier INCLUDING anti-biotics, and other things which we would view as helpful if we were sick. However, most drugs and specifically OPIATES have a HUGE affinity for passing through the blood/brain barrier. Humans, are essentially drug addicts by DESIGN. So can you please cite an explanation for this inherent human design? This is UNLIKE the monogamy argument, because although Satan may be able to influence. I am not speaking about CHOICES that people make. I am speaking from only a biological standpoint, that if I introduce an opiate into a human body, it will pass through the blood/brain barrier with absolutely no problem, and bind to the opiate receptor.....

Magic, can you answer above?

[magic32]

IMHO, it's a failed prophecy.

He's referred to in the New Testament as Jesus, not Immanuel. The Mormons call their church "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints," not "The Church of Immanuel of Latter Day Saints."
Just my opinion.
But, I have another question for you . . . .

Immanuel means "God is with us", or Jesus.

[magic32]

Good questions.

Question:

The Bible tells us in 2 Timothy:

2 Timothy 3:16 --

16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

So, let me ask you these questions:

1) Did the writer of 1st and 2nd Timothy think his own writing was scripture? Or, did he consider scripture to be only the books of the Old Testament, and not his own?
It's not documented as to whether the writers of the various books, letters, and songs (many Psalms) in the Bible were aware that their works would become part of the scripture. That will be a good question for God.

2) How do you know that the words of the Bible are indeed the words of the Creator of the universe?
This was discussed earlier, you should read the thread it's quite informative.

[magic32]

Magic, can you answer above?

I'm not sure I comprehend the question.

Are you asking why God's design of the human body is flawed because of the ability for drugs to pass thorough the barrier?
So it that is what you're implying, I'd respond thusly:

As any design-oriented engineer or physicist will attest, there is no absolutely perfect design. The installation of any characteristic necessarily affects several others. For example, an astronomer will cite the earth’s perfect distance from the sun, ideal axis tilt, outstanding satellite placement and number (the moon), and optimal atmosphere (gaseous mixture) for the sustaining of life. But even with these wondrous inherent characteristics there are still tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, extreme cold, hot, and rainy regions. In other words perfection must give way to balance, much like this laptop, it’s a great Dell, but all of its properties: speed; cost; durability; power; memory; screen size & clarity ; weight and many other innate characteristics dictate that it can’t be as light, as fast, as big, as powerful or as sturdy as some others.

Those examples were given to illustrate that the body is the same way. It is a marvelous feat of engineering excellence (arguably the best ever), that is equipped with so many wonderful qualities (I won’t go into detail) but along with all its wonders the designer is still somewhat limited by the scope of the design itself, as far as providing what He determined to be the BEST BALANCE. Being flesh we still have certain human frailties such as we cannot see God and live, because our flesh simply can’t withhold His glory. That’s why He told Moses who asked this very thing, that He’d put him in the cleft of the rock and let him behold His (God’s) backside after He passed by.

• Exd 33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
  
• Exd 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
  
• Exd 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
  
• Exd 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, [there is] a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
  
• Exd 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
  
• Exd 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

So if you’ve what seems to be a design flaw, that’s no doubt your own critical nature daring to question the worthiness of the Creator, the efficacy of His ability, and the intentions of His heart. This in not to say that God can't do anything, but simply a knowing that He gave us what we most required, and that's without even considering an inherent value to the B/B barrier that you haven't considered...because it is quite a necessary attribute.

But I'm starting to dose.

[Tock]

Immanuel means "God is with us", or Jesus.

According to . . . who? Who says Immanuel = "God is with us" = Jesus?

[Tock]

Originally Posted by Tock
Question:

2) How do you know that the words of the Bible are indeed the words of the Creator of the universe?
This was discussed earlier, you should read the thread it's quite informative.
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I guess I missed it.
In what post number was this covered?

[magic32]

According to . . . who? Who says Immanuel = "God is with us" = Jesus?

Er ah, the Hebrew language!

So...EVERYONE...just look it up.

It's no different than Bob being another name for Robert, except that God's names all have specific meanings, and this one equates to God in human form which "Jesus" was. Remember, Jesus was always in Heaven with God, as a part of God. He was just referred to as the Word. (This was discussed earlier also...and I'm growing weary flipping back so it's up to you).

Here:
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/immanuel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel
http://www.immanuelmh.org/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/tobiya..._Prophecy.html


Is it just me or does your writing have a distinct antagonistic tone?

Night all.

[unclemoney]

No offense, VERY good question.
I like your thinking, because it always starts with a premise.
It's true our bodies are temples (for the Holy Spirit).

• Jhn 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
• 1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Once again you're beginning with the presupposition that steroids are harmful, when if applied and administered properly they really aren't. Thus, if I'm SAFELY taking them to enhance my general well-being (physical, mental, etc.), and not abusing them by the actual definition (causing harm to myself or others) how can they be wrong?

You mentioned stealing and murder which do harm others, and marijuana (throw in alcohol, rec drugs, etc.) all of which cause potentially dangerous altered states or unnecessarily damage the body or it's cells. Steroids are medications designed to make one better, I simply manipulate them and the raw materials (nutrients) to make myself better.

Don't know if anyone pointed this out in the other pages, I'll get to them eventually but needed to ask this... I always get the old "you were created in gods image" bs going on. So really you're saying "god I'm unsatisfied with how you created my body and now I have to take exogeneous hormones"... therefore I don't think you can "justify" juicing, I'd say just admit that you too are human.

Also, what's the whole deal with god being anti-tattoo???

[BuffThaStuff]

and anti-piercings so all women that have piercings go to hell?

[Psychotron]

Don't know if anyone pointed this out in the other pages, I'll get to them eventually but needed to ask this... I always get the old "you were created in gods image" bs going on. So really you're saying "god I'm unsatisfied with how you created my body and now I have to take exogeneous hormones"... therefore I don't think you can "justify" juicing, I'd say just admit that you too are human.

Also, what's the whole deal with god being anti-tattoo???

spiritually created in his likeness.

[BWhitaker]

I started writing because I figured someone would care.
I know you're aware of the this Merc, but at your behest...so be it.
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The reason stems from ‘Original Sin’.
God gave Adam dominion over the garden (all existence at the time), his sin according to the Bible, brought forth SIN and DEATH (destruction, decay, pain, loss, etc.). Everyone born of him, which is everyone is thereby born in sin (yes even babies, though they are covered).

• Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

So God made a plan of atonement, and being orderly He brought through the lineage of Adam, Abraham, and David (Book of Numbers) an heir through Mary born NOT under sin (man). Remember, Jesus though born of woman, was not of man…immaculate conception.

• 1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

This sinless (as was His life) sacrifice was symbolic of the Old Testament blood sacrifices that God required for atonement (right standing). But Jesus’s blood would serve as the final sacrifice. ..bringing us back to the point. So believers are cleansed/covered by this blood so that their sins are according to word remembered no more.

• Psa 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, [so] far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Thus anyone who refuses this free gift of atonement, is on his own! Sadly, no one is sinless even if they never sinned, because of their heritage.
Dan 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that [is] written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

• Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
• Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
• 2Cr 13:2 I told you before, and foretell you, as if I were present, the second time; and being absent now I write to them which heretofore have sinned, and to all other, that, if I come again, I will not spare:

Therefore, the punishment (ETERNITY IN HELL) is so great, because the cost for salvation (THE BLOOD OF GOD HIMSELF) was so high.

Short recess.

ridiculous

[BWhitaker]

ridiculous

Sorry...ive had a long day

[magic32]

EXCELLENT QUESTION – IF YOU CLICKED ON THIS THREAD...
PLEASE READ THIS!

Don't know if anyone pointed this out in the other pages, I'll get to them eventually but needed to ask this... I always get the old "you were created in gods image" bs going on. So really you're saying "god I'm unsatisfied with how you created my body and now I have to take exogeneous hormones"... therefore I don't think you can "justify" juicing, I'd say just admit that you too are human.

In a way you're right.
But your assumptions fail to consider the fall. That is the fall from grace, or the welcoming of sin into the world. This event immediately ushered in the decline of all things. I would expect that Adam was quite muscular (having well above our Test levels), but the fall depreciated everything giving us Pee Wee Hermans, and androgynous males and females.

When the Bible says:

• Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him;

…I take it literally meaning I’d expect God, though spirit, to have two eyes, one head, etc. because the an image is what you see…such as yours in a mirror. However, I also expect that He meant since this too is written, and boy do I get arguments from pet lovers:

• Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

...that man is unique.

Remember He didn’t form animals, they were just sort of zapped into existence. But man was formed or specifically fashioned…then the kicker, God Himself breathed a PART of His own eternal living spirit into man. Thus, the afterlife for men, but not for pets…THERE IS NO DOGGIE HEAVEN! But there is eternity wherever you choose to spend it for man.

So in review rocks have a body only, animals a body and what we call a soul (the mind, will and emotions) some more of one than others as donkeys are naturally obstinate (imposing their wills, and no not all the time), elephants and many other animals (especially mammals) are very loving (emotional), the latter even journeys to the elephant graveyard when members of the herd are dying…sounds a lot like our family plots. But man alone possesses a body, soul, and spirit or that eternal part of God exclusively breathed into us for this unique reason…eternity.

So to your question I say man is a LONG way from God’s creation of him (Giant/Shaq, midgets that family on cable, too much estro/too little test,) along with disease, pestilence, toxins and poisons. Should the parents of cleft-lipped children just say it’s God’s image, what of conjoined but operable twins, external tumor victims…the fall changes everything and has only gotten worse with time. So then how is gear different from a lipo, facial cosmetic surgery, haircut, bathing, or picking one’s nose? If they are not harmful, yet productive in enhancing one’s life, AND I MAY BE WRONG…but I don’t see a conflict with God here.

Also, what's the whole deal with god being anti-tattoo???
This is a more stringent view of the above, still not harmful but neither is graffiti, or is it? Some see art and claim to be beautifying the wall or body, whereas others see trash and defacement. Personally, on this one I lean more towards the latter but that could just be me, I know Christians from my home church whose families were like relatives (our mothers went K-12-death together) but they have tats. So let’s petition the Word, the Bible says the Body is a temple:

• Jhn 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
• 1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

…temples are built to strong and well to perform their intended purpose and as tribute to God. Gear IF USED PROPERLY, does just that. But would any GOOD father, minister, or keeper a temple permit subjective, ungodly (assuming your tat doesn’t say “Jesus Rocks”) pictures and wording on the EXTERIOR (or representative) walls?

But regardless of the stance, neither of the above questions and answers separate one from God, and that's the most important thing. It's like three men with apples one eats his, the other wipes it well on his shirt, while the third washes it thoroughly with antibacterial fruit rinse. Who was best, or most correct is immaterial. The only thing that matters is the nutrition of the fruit.

One should spend less time focusing on the periphery and FAR more on the main and plain aspects of SALVATION, namely Jesus is the Christ.

A lot of people think that was His last name, but this is untrue..."Christ" is a title like Messiah, but that was somehow lost over time. And if you don't believe me, ask Matthew and Luke.

• Mar 8:29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.
  
• Luk 9:20 He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.

[magic32]

Ridiculous.

Sorry...ive had a long day

To each his own, but I'm glad you stopped in because you never know what God might use to touch a life...a death, a relationship, a loss, an accident, or even a thread on a AR.

[magic32]

and anti-piercings so all women that have piercings go to hell?

Where did you get that philosophy?

See the last part of post #198 beginning with "But regardless".

It's sad that so many people spend their time focusing on things that God never said mattered, in an effort to justify their unbelief.

He couldn't care less if your entire body was one big piercing like Xerxes in the movie "300", and you came to Him. I don't care if you're a prostitute, a thief, a fornicator (sex outside of marriage), or anything else. Let's check the word:

• Hbr 11:31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
  
  
• Luk 23:41 [The thief speaking] And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
• Luk 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
• Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
  
  
• Jhn 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband [fornicator]: in that saidst thou truly.

Yet they were all saved...DON'T BLAME YOUR UNBELIEF ON GOD'S HARSH STANDARDS, BECAUSE HE REALLY HAS ONLY ONE...BELIEF:

• Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
• Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
• Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
• Jhn 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
• Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
• Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
• Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
• 1Jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

It's far better to be honest with yourself.
As the old-timers used to say, "If you're going to Hell take the HIGHWAY!", which is to say..."Go in style, and enjoy all the sin you can"...don't spend your entire life dancing with religion, be true to your real partner!

AND THIS IS NOT ME SPEAKING THIS IS GOD, HE SAID HE DISPISES THOSE WHO ARE IN BETWEEN!

• Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
• Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

SADLY SOME PEOPLE HAVE TOO MUCH RELIGION TO BE A GOOD SINNER!

BUT THE INVERSE IS NOT TRUE…

GOD NEVER SAYS YOU HAVE TOO MUCH SIN TO BE A GOOD CHRISTIAN, BECAUSE SALVATION IS HIS JOB NOT YOURS!

• Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
• Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.