You'll want to read this!

[lynxeffect1]

my test is dosed at 300mg, for deload is it ok if i take 3/4 of a ml making it 200mg each a wk for the 2 weeks of deload, it doesnt have to be exactly 250 does it? i was talking to a compettive bb a while back who had given up lifting weights altogether for 5 years but started up again before xmas for competition this october and he said he gained everything he had before, 5 stone of muscle that hed lost all back in 6 weeks when he went back on, i know muscle has memory but is this normal? or is he very lucky to gain it back so so quick? and his advice to me was the exact same as the few big guys in my gym that seem to be in there own little huddle was just to do 10 wks on 10off or even more time off, which is the usual bull they just tell everyone,after ur great advice and my own experience i know this isnt true but my question is , is it a fact that u have to stay on nearly all of the time to be that huge unless ur coming off and using gh to maintain or can u find a freak every so often that actually can cycle time on time off ?

[Ronnie Rowland]

my test is dosed at 300mg, for deload is it ok if i take 3/4 of a ml making it 200mg each a wk for the 2 weeks of deload, it doesnt have to be exactly 250 does it? just do 1ml so 300 per week -nothing exact. I was talking to a compettive bb a while back who had given up lifting weights altogether for 5 years but started up again before xmas for competition this october and he said he gained everything he had before, 5 stone of muscle that hed lost all back in 6 weeks when he went back on, i know muscle has memory but is this normal? yes you'll gain back most if not all of it if you take only a short period off from lifting but if you take 3 months or more theres no way in gaining it all back in 6 weeks. Or is he very lucky to gain it back so so quick? And his advice to me was the exact same as the few big guys in my gym that seem to be in there own little huddle was just to do 10 wks on 10off or even more time off, which is the usual bull they just tell everyone,after ur great advice and my own experience i know this isnt true but my question is , is it a fact that u have to stay on nearly all of the time to be that huge unless ur coming off and using gh to maintain or can u find a freak every so often that actually can cycle time on time off ? there are always the freaks who can cycle on and off and still stay relatively big but i would not believe what this guy says because everyone loses size (freaks included) when going off for 10 weeks because the hormones are no longer there to support the muscle size.

above

[aj387]

How do you feel about Primobolan vs Masteron included in a lean bulking cycle? Is it true that if you take the right amount of primo you can hold onto everything?

[Brkid20]

so you said its possible to gain mass with those work outs, but iv tryd everything i could i did my best and no good resolts im still super skinny so a friend recomended Duraplex 100, i dont want to get huge or big just a lil more mass thats all i want and she told me that i should take 1ml per week, and that the bottle has 10ml, and also that 1ml can stay in ur system for 1 year, so i would like to know if thats true,
I havent used it and im still thinking about it but im leaning thowrds using it,

so i though i would take 1ml every2 weeks work out everyday and eat healthy like i always do. i also wanted to know if i do take this duraplex 100 for just a lil more mass would i have it to mix it with something els or just taht will do, cux im not trny to take alot of different things together

[Ronnie Rowland]

How do you feel about Primobolan vs Masteron included in a lean bulking cycle? Is it true that if you take the right amount of primo you can hold onto everything?

I don't think there's going to be a whole lof of difference between the two drugs but I would go with masteron because it's more androgenic-hence known to produce better results.. And no it's not true that with primobolan you hold onto everything while dieting down. Holding onto muscle while dieting down is best done with test as your base, trenbolone and growth hormone. Even more important is being genetically gifted with the metabolism that burns off more fat than muscle and having an even distribution of type2 fibers throughout your entire musculature. For example, if you have weak points during bulking those same areas will lose size faster while dieting down. Also, those who hold body fat evenly throughout their entire body as opposed to mostly the stomach region are able to hang onto more muscle overall while dieting down and still remain symmetrical. Those who gain in the stomach have to lose muscle in undesired places such as the arms and legs to get their abs to come in..

[MercuryEvo]

Hey Ronnie, ended up finding someone local to get stuff from so I'm on this plan below. I'm on week 3 right now. I'm thinking of stacking Mast Prop into it. Or something that will help cut fat even more. I'm considering hgh, anavar... I'm not sure what to stack in without drastically affecting my PCT plans. I also dropped Clomid out as I dont think I'll need it.

Reload: (12 hard sets per body part each week, 300g protein, 200g carbs, 80g fat)
Week 1 750mg Test E
week 2 750mg Test E
week 3 750mg Test E
week 4 750mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 5 750mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 6 750mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 7 750mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 8 750mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 9 250mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 10 250mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Reload: (12 hard sets per body part each week, 300g protein, 200g carbs, 80g fat)
week 11 1g Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 12 1g Test E, HCG OFF, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 13 1g Test E, HCG OFF, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 15 1g Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 16 1g Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 17 1g Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 18 1g Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 19 200mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 20 200mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

PCT: (continue reload / deload workouts and exercises as well as diet)
week 21 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD, HCG 500iu
week 22 Nolvadex, 40mg ED,
week 23 Nolvadex, 40mg ED,
week 24 Nolvadex, 20mg ED,
week 25 Nolvadex, 20mg ED,

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie, ended up finding someone local to get stuff from so i'm on this plan below. I'm on week 3 right now. I'm thinking of stacking mast prop into it. Or something that will help cut fat even more. I'm considering hgh, anavar... HGH AND VAR WOULD BE GREAT! I'm not sure what to stack in without drastically affecting my pct plans. I also dropped clomid out as i dont think i'll need it. you are corrrect, clomid would be a waste imo!reload: (12 hard sets per body part each week, 300g protein, 200g carbs, 80g fat)
week 1 750mg test e
week 2 750mg test e
week 3 750mg test e
week 4 750mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 5 750mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 6 750mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 7 750mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 8 750mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 9 250mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 10 250mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

reload: (12 hard sets per body part each week, 300g protein, 200g carbs, 80g fat)
week 11 1g test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 12 1g test e, hcg off, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 13 1g test e, hcg off, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 15 1g test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 16 1g test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 17 1g test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 18 1g test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 19 200mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 20 200mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

pct: (continue reload / deload workouts and exercises as well as diet)
week 21 aromasin 12.5mg eod, hcg 500iu
week 22 nolvadex, 40mg ed,
week 23 nolvadex, 40mg ed,
week 24 nolvadex, 20mg ed,
week 25 nolvadex, 20mg ed, i don't seen anything that stands out as a red flag.

above

[The Titan99]

I've posted threads on this topic before about extreme soreness of injection sites. At the time I determined that it was due to too much volume (up to 7ml in one shot). Since then I've had a couple (not all) of my shots cause long lasting soreness, but all of them have been 3 ml or less.

Now here's the thing. I can't just throw the gear away since I have so much of it. It's from a UGL, but it's a good one (Most of you would know it if I said it) and I re-sterilized and re-bottled it and have been using it for some months with no problem. In fact before it was ultra-smooth (from *****). Lately though, about every third injection makes the spot feel like it's been hit with a sledge hammer (my right glute looks like it too). The first one I thought was an abscess, so I took a cycle of Zithromax and that seemed to work. I started thinking, "If it's an infection, where's the fever?" It's Tren E and Sust. The next one was the same pain, but I took no antibiotics and it cleared up in about the same amount of time, about a week. So then I think it must just be over use of injection sites so I started moving all around ( glutes, delts, quads, pecs, calves). Recently I went out of town for a few days and brought my shots pre-loaded with me. I did 3 ml in each pec and had zero problems. When I got home and wednsday rolled around, I did 3 ml in each calf and it hurts like hell. Now as an example of how much pain it is, it's about like the worst muscle pain I've ever had from working-out. Not crippling, but it's not nothing and it's certainly not the way it should be. Now since I quit taking antibiotics I'm sure the gear isn't tainted, but what's making it hurt so badly now when it was so smooth before? ***** stuff is known to be good and smooth.

Now here's my latest theory, and the only difference between the first and last shots (painful) and the out-of-town shots (no problem). Now I know Test/Tren should be kept at room temp (red wine also) but where I live room temp is about 90 degrees. Last night picked up one of my bottles and it was warm to the touch. I keep my stuff next to my laptop which is always on and is blowing hot air on to the bottles in addition to being hot as hell. When I was out of town the shots were room temp or even lower, air con). What's it all mean????!!! I can't think of a reason in the world why this would make the gear hurt like this, but through the process of deduction it's pointing in this direction. One things for sure, if you store red wine in this hat (room temp) it will fvck it up almost immediately.

So, what to do? Refrigerate the gear? Re-sterilize it? Re-sterilize then refrigerate it? Throw it out? (40 ml Tren/40 ml /Sust NO WAY!!!)

AND, BTW, I do 2 ml vitamin B1, B6, B12 injections every day with no discomfort aside from the normal water-based thing.

I've asked a lot of people and got no satisfactory response, if anyone can help me here it's got to be you Ron...

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie...is it true..or ..false...less water retention with sustanon n prop vs test-c or test-e????

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=VASCULAR VINCE;5630984]ronnie...is it true..or ..false...less water retention with sustanon n prop vs test-c or test-e???? TEST IS TEST BUT SOME PEOPLE DO INDEED EXPERIENCE LESS BLOAT WITH PROP AND SUSTANON[/QUOTE]ABOVE

[Ronnie Rowland]

i've posted threads on this topic before about extreme soreness of injection sites. At the time i determined that it was due to too much volume (up to 7ml in one shot). Since then i've had a couple (not all) of my shots cause long lasting soreness, but all of them have been 3 ml or less.

Now here's the thing. I can't just throw the gear away since i have so much of it. It's from a ugl, but it's a good one (most of you would know it if i said it) and i re-sterilized and re-bottled it and have been using it for some months with no problem. In fact before it was ultra-smooth (from *****). Lately though, about every third injection makes the spot feel like it's been hit with a sledge hammer (my right glute looks like it too). The first one i thought was an abscess, so i took a cycle of zithromax and that seemed to work. I started thinking, "if it's an infection, where's the fever?" it's tren e and sust. The next one was the same pain, but i took no antibiotics and it cleared up in about the same amount of time, about a week. So then i think it must just be over use of injection sites so i started moving all around ( glutes, delts, quads, pecs, calves). Recently i went out of town for a few days and brought my shots pre-loaded with me. I did 3 ml in each pec and had zero problems. When i got home and wednsday rolled around, i did 3 ml in each calf and it hurts like hell. Now as an example of how much pain it is, it's about like the worst muscle pain i've ever had from working-out. Not crippling, but it's not nothing and it's certainly not the way it should be. Now since i quit taking antibiotics i'm sure the gear isn't tainted, but what's making it hurt so badly now when it was so smooth before? ***** stuff is known to be good and smooth.

Now here's my latest theory, and the only difference between the first and last shots (painful) and the out-of-town shots (no problem). Now i know test/tren should be kept at room temp (red wine also) but where i live room temp is about 90 degrees. Last night picked up one of my bottles and it was warm to the touch. I keep my stuff next to my laptop which is always on and is blowing hot air on to the bottles in addition to being hot as hell. When i was out of town the shots were room temp or even lower, air con). What's it all mean????!!! I can't think of a reason in the world why this would make the gear hurt like this, but through the process of deduction it's pointing in this direction. One things for sure, if you store red wine in this hat (room temp) it will fvck it up almost immediately.

So, what to do? Refrigerate the gear? Re-sterilize it? Re-sterilize then refrigerate it? Throw it out? (40 ml tren/40 ml /sust no way!!!)

And, btw, i do 2 ml vitamin b1, b6, b12 injections every day with no discomfort aside from the normal water-based thing.

I've asked a lot of people and got no satisfactory response, if anyone can help me here it's got to be you ron...

i need more information concerning this matter:

1) have you tried adding grapeseed oil or anything else to reduce high ba content?
2) how many 3ml injections are you doing a week?
3) where are you injecting and how often in the same area?
4) is the test worse then the tren or vice versa?

note: Never do calf shots as they can be dangerous!

[The Titan99]

i need more information concerning this matter:

1) have you tried adding grapeseed oil or anything else to reduce high ba content?
No, I'm not sure how to do that and I can't get any here for a couple of months. Could you use flaxseed oil?

2) how many 3ml injections are you doing a week?
A 3 ml and a 2 ml on Sunday (Sust and Tren E) and the same on Wednesday. Plus 2 ml vitamin B1, B6, B12 daily. Separate.
3) where are you injecting and how often in the same area?
Usually glutes, delts, quads, pecs. Now with this problem there are some sites I've not done in a while. (Right glute, left delt.) So that's why I started with the calves (No more!! Did my calf workout last night, brings a whole new meaning to the word "burn".)
4) is the test worse then the tren or vice versa? The first couple I wasn't paying attention, but this last time the Sust was slightly more tender than the Tren....maybe...
I AM DONE WITH CALF INJECTIONS! THANK YOU.

I was thinking of pinning the sust 250 at 1 ml a day or 6 days (1.75 grams, have been doing 1.5 grams) and the Tren E every other day (was doing 800 mg Tren but this would bring it to, what, 700 mg, I'd like to stay at 800 mg) What do you think? That would keep me at 2 ml max.

note: Never do calf shots as they can be dangerous!

Thanks a lot for the quick response Ron.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks a lot for the quick response Ron.

I would not go over 800 mgs on tren at your level. A good plan would be to go right pec, left pec, right glute, left glute, right delt, left delt, then start spot injection rotation all over.

A good way to cut your gear with grapeseed oil is to add 1ml for every 3 mls of gear. So for a 10 ml bottles add 3mls. Some add 5mls a 1:1 ratio but try less at first. Put the oil into a sealed vial before filtering or anything. Next place the oil filled vial upright in boiling water for 15-30 minutes and do not let the vial float around in a pot of boiling water. Next, mix the grape seed oil in with the UGL gear. Lastly, filter the combined oils into a new sterile vial. This way you kill two birds with one stone (filter the UGL gear and the grape seed oil.)

[The Titan99]

I would not go over 800 mgs on tren at your level. A good plan would be to go right pec, left pec, right glute, left glute, right delt, left delt, then start spot injection rotation all over. Got it Ron, in fact I'm going to roll the Tren back to 700 mg just to simplify things.

A good way to cut your gear with grapeseed oil is to add 1ml for every 3 mls of gear. So for a 10 ml bottles add 3mls. Some add 5mls a 1:1 ratio but try less at first. Put the oil into a sealed vial before filtering or anything. Next place the oil filled vial upright in boiling water for 15-30 minutes and do not let the vial float around in a pot of boiling water. Next, mix the grape seed oil in with the UGL gear. Lastly, filter the combined oils into a new sterile vial. This way you kill two birds with one stone (filter the UGL gear and the grape seed oil.)

I may give this a try next chance I get to buy some grapeseed oil.
Since I re sterilized the stuff and lowered the shot volume everything's been great, no pain at all.

Thanks again buddy.

[kelevra]

Hey Ronnie.
What would you recommend for a female who wants to gain some lean muscle for summer time. Would be her first cycle. She is about 110 pounds with a small athletic build. She is not looking to be any type competitor, just would like some extra lean muscle for summer.
Substance?
Dose?
Cycle length?

Thanx

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie.
What would you recommend for a female who wants to gain some lean muscle for summer time. Would be her first cycle. She is about 110 pounds with a small athletic build. She is not looking to be any type competitor, just would like some extra lean muscle for summer.
Substance?
Dose?
Cycle length?

Thanx

have her run 10 mgs of anavar daily during reloads and only 5 mgs per day during deloads. She'll do great with a 20 week slingshot cycle of var!

[SlimmerMe]

Hi Ronnie:

I would love to know what your take is on working out arms for "pretty" feminine arms which are lean and toned as opposed to muscular bulky masculine bodybuilder arms. Do you think heavy weights with little reps? or light weights with lots of reps? or what?

I am also in the process of losing weight too.

Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks so much. Love your thread here.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=SlimmerMe;5633432]Hi Ronnie:

I would love to know what your take is on working out arms for "pretty" feminine arms which are lean and toned as opposed to muscular bulky masculine bodybuilder arms. Do you think heavy weights with little reps? or light weights with lots of reps? or what? I think higher reps with low volume is best! I would go with 2 exercises for 3 sets a piece for both biceps and triceps once a week. That's 6 sets for biceps and 6 sets for triceps. Hit right at muscualr failure on each work sets at around 15 reps. Wait only 60 seconds between work sets.I am also in the process of losing weight too. Keep protein intake high, fat intake moderate and carbs low (100 carbs per day). Clenbuterol is good to add once a plateau is reached. Anavar in low dosages also helps females require a toned body without becoming overly muscular. If you get stagnant with the weight loss let me know!Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks so much. Love your thread here. Thank you![/QUOTE]above

[11Bgrunt1]

ok I am completely new to this and I am totally confused I wont lie. I don't have one clue as where to start. I am in the military and I am in good shape. Lets see I dont want to be a BB I just want to get stronger and add a little size IM 5'9 183LBS. Im 30 yrs old I eat right don't eat shit food, drink and don't smoke. I have no idea what to take or how much I have spent countless hours researching and keep coming up with the same consensus. Which is I am ****ing lost lol I work out every morning for 2 hours mostly cardiovascular type shit. In the gym for about 2 hours after work. My main concern is I dont want to lose my endurance. Basically I just need to be pointed in the right direction. If you could help I would greatly appreciate it.

[Ronnie Rowland]

ok i am completely new to this and i am totally confused i wont lie. I don't have one clue as where to start. I am in the military and i am in good shape. Lets see i dont want to be a bb i just want to get stronger and add a little size im 5'9 183lbs. Im 30 yrs old i eat right don't eat shit food, drink and don't smoke. I have no idea what to take or how much i have spent countless hours researching and keep coming up with the same consensus. Which is i am ****ing lost lol i work out every morning for 2 hours mostly cardiovascular type shit. In the gym for about 2 hours after work. My main concern is i dont want to lose my endurance. Basically i just need to be pointed in the right direction. If you could help i would greatly appreciate it.

you are over-training! You need to cut cardio in half and workout for no longer than 90 minutes 4 times per week. Do around 9 sets per major body part and try to workout with weights before cardio. Unless you aer a genetic freak to begin with p-90x type stuff is not going to add any appreciable muscle to your frame. You must lift heavy!

[11Bgrunt1]

you are over-training! You need to cut cardio in half and workout for no longer than 90 minutes 4 times per week. Do around 9 sets per major body part and try to workout with weights before cardio. Unless you aer a genetic freak to begin with p-90x type stuff is not going to add any appreciable muscle to your frame. You must lift heavy!

We don't do p90x stuff really its more of a functional fitness type work out. Tractor tire flips shit like that. I get all my workouts from Military Athlete dot com, This type of exercising was done for the SOF community ( Special Operation). This is what I am looking for I have one last deployment before I start the Q course (special forces qualification course). When I went to selection I lost around 30 LBS in 21 days. The Q course is about 18 months long. Your talking about the best the ARMY has to offer. MY endurance has to be extremely high I can not loose this. But I want to add some muscle and strength I noticed from the 21 day selection course that well, I needed to be stronger to compete with the rest of my peers. I lost every bit of my strength by the end. I am not asking to be a machine but i want to be as close as possible to one. Im not looking to add muscle for appearance reasons I am just looking for a way to gain the most strength I can and keep it when under extreme stresses. MAybe this is not the best place to get the information I need but I know not everyone one here does cycles just for appearances there has to be someone one here that understands what Im trying to do.

[dirtysouth]

Hey Ron, First of all I have been reading this thread for the past week now and have soaked in all of this information. You seem very educated on the subject matter and I appreciate it. Now my question to you is this:
I started a 12 week cycle of test/deca last October 500mgs Test/400mgs Deca, the cycle ended mid Jan and took 5 weeks off of both anabolics (no PCT). I started another cycle of Test/Dbol ( 750mgs Test/ 50mgs Dbol )after the 5 week break and am currently in my tenth week of that cycle. After reading through this thread I'm gonna finish up this last week and was wondering if I can continue cycling using the slingshot method by taking a 2 week deload using clomid and nolva since I didnt do a PCT last time and begin with a Test/Tren cycle ( Test 500mgs/Tren 75mgs EOD ) for 8 weeks reload and then start a full blown PCT with HCG, clomid, and nolva?? or my other option is if I could continue the slingshot method using AAS until Im burned out but still using clomid and nolva and stopping Anabolics during my 2 week deload phases to try and keep from shutting down permanently once I finish my run??? What do you think? any suggestions would be great, thanks Ron

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, First of all I have been reading this thread for the past week now and have soaked in all of this information. You seem very educated on the subject matter and I appreciate it. Now my question to you is this:
I started a 12 week cycle of test/deca last October 500mgs Test/400mgs Deca, the cycle ended mid Jan and took 5 weeks off of both anabolics (no PCT). I started another cycle of Test/Dbol ( 750mgs Test/ 50mgs Dbol )after the 5 week break and am currently in my tenth week of that cycle. After reading through this thread I'm gonna finish up this last week and was wondering if I can continue cycling using the slingshot method by taking a 2 week deload using clomid and nolva since I didnt do a PCT last time and begin with a Test/Tren cycle ( Test 500mgs/Tren 75mgs EOD ) for 8 weeks reload and then start a full blown PCT with HCG, clomid, and nolva?? or my other option is if I could continue the slingshot method using AAS until Im burned out but still using clomid and nolva and stopping Anabolics during my 2 week deload phases to try and keep from shutting down permanently once I finish my run??? What do you think? any suggestions would be great, thanks Ron

Clomid and nolva is not going to do much of anything positive to get your testis producing again during 2 week deloads. You need to think-HCG! Some people run HCG at 500 per week through 2 weekly injections throughout entire cycle (both reloads and deloads) or wait unitl you come off to run a full pct at higher dosages for around 2-3 weeks.. During 2 week deloads you should stay on low dosages of test but hcg and nolva can be added during that 2 week period.

[Ronnie Rowland]

We don't do p90x stuff really its more of a functional fitness type work out. Tractor tire flips shit like that. I get all my workouts from Military Athlete dot com, This type of exercising was done for the SOF community ( Special Operation). This is what I am looking for I have one last deployment before I start the Q course (special forces qualification course). When I went to selection I lost around 30 LBS in 21 days. The Q course is about 18 months long. Your talking about the best the ARMY has to offer. MY endurance has to be extremely high I can not loose this. But I want to add some muscle and strength I noticed from the 21 day selection course that well, I needed to be stronger to compete with the rest of my peers. I lost every bit of my strength by the end. I am not asking to be a machine but i want to be as close as possible to one. Im not looking to add muscle for appearance reasons I am just looking for a way to gain the most strength I can and keep it when under extreme stresses. MAybe this is not the best place to get the information I need but I know not everyone one here does cycles just for appearances there has to be someone one here that understands what Im trying to do.

I see! Orals like winstrol and anavar can help you gain strength without adding bulk. 40 mgs of anavar daily would be the best place to start IMO..

[SlimmerMe]

THANK YOU SO MUCH, RONNIE! Appreciate it~

[cageit]

ronnie- i asked this question in my own posts on several sited with a lot of mixed advice. maybe asking the expert on his thread is the way to go...

I want some advice on what to stack with eq suitable to mma (if anything). I was originally introduced to all this with the advice to run eq only for 12-14 weeks(which doesn't match your advice) and then the appropriate pct. Then, when seeking other advice, I mostly got that I HAD to stack with a test. I am 160 walk around and fight at 145. I originally was only going to run eq until I researched and received advice from this site. I am 2 low dose injection of eq into it. I have come into some options on what to add with eq. keep in mind that I do not want to add a lot of weight do to weight class, need to continue high cardio and circuit conditioning, some oxygen depletion training. I am in my early thirties, first cycle, will run a low to medium dose test as almost a TRT, want to speed recoveries of re-occurring injuries I have trained through for years that are getting worse. This is really a plot to make the mma last another few years before hanging it up. This is a last resort... i have done doctors, rehabs, every over the counter possible in fighting these injuries. injuries are knees/ back and neck muscles AND discs. I need to consider a stack that won't kill cardio, bloat, or make heart rate crazy. commission testing is not an issue. possibilities thrown at me are andropen, var, prop, cyp, enth...

i would appreciate any advice as to that...or if you think just running the eq alone to see what happens without the test. like i said, i am more worried about the unseen results inside my body with the injuries rather than what you see with size etc. i have time and am not impatiant. anything else you need to know, please ask.

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie- i asked this question in my own posts on several sited with a lot of mixed advice. Maybe asking the expert on his thread is the way to go...

I want some advice on what to stack with eq suitable to mma (if anything). you should add 40 mgs of anavar daily to increase stregnth. I would also add some sustanon along with the eq and anavar. Sustaon at 750 mgs per week will help put on strength and size. i was originally introduced to all this with the advice to run eq only for 12-14 weeks(which doesn't match your advice) and then the appropriate pct. Then, when seeking other advice, i mostly got that i had to stack with a test. I am 160 walk around and fight at 145. I originally was only going to run eq until i researched and received advice from this site. I am 2 low dose injection of eq into it. I have come into some options on what to add with eq. Keep in mind that i do not want to add a lot of weight do to weight class, need to continue high cardio and circuit conditioning, some oxygen depletion training. I am in my early thirties, first cycle, will run a low to medium dose test as almost a trt, want to speed recoveries of re-occurring injuries (stay way from winstrol if you have inuries!) i have trained through for years that are getting worse. This is really a plot to make the mma last another few years before hanging it up. This is a last resort... I have done doctors, rehabs, every over the counter possible in fighting these injuries. Injuries are knees/ back and neck muscles and discs. if you have disc problems you need to give mma up before you are forced to live in chronic pain like i do with my lower back due to having had 10 operations. It's not worth it. Trust me! i need to consider a stack that won't kill cardio, bloat, or make heart rate crazy. Commission testing is not an issue. Possibilities thrown at me are andropen, var, prop, cyp, enth...

I would appreciate any advice as to that...or if you think just running the eq alone to see what happens without the test.eq alone is about worthless imo and dcea would be better for joint health and repair as eq can dry you out. like i said, i am more worried about the unseen results inside my body with the injuries rather than what you see with size etc. I have time and am not impatiant. Anything else you need to know, please ask. i would run test and anavar and maybe a low dosage of deca for your knee. However, the anavar and deca can lower your libido. Eq increases endurance but it might make your knee worse. Again, i would hang up mma and just workout because if you keep hurting your disk you may not even be able to work out or even worse-"not be able to work!"

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[SlimmerMe]

hi again..

so if I am working on my arms 1x a week then I assume push-ups are also 1x a week?
what about crunches? can this be done ED or as much as desired?
lunges? 1x a week I am guessing?
and what about things like machine work...ex: arm ext or curls or flys? do you like machines and if okay, how many times a week here? or do you prefer free weights for their movement I assume?

Also.....what do you advise for the best way to help lean the outer thighs?

And any tips as far as best way to get a flat stomach as far as exercise goes...

I am shocked now that I have had time to think about it.... that I am to only work my triceps and biceps 1x a week! This is amazing....

I appreciate your help, Ronnie! so much~

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi again..

So if i am working on my arms 1x a week then i assume push-ups are also 1x a week? i woulnd't even do pushups unless you are getting ready for a pt test of some sort and need more endurance in the type-1 fiber (endurnace fibers). And in that case do 1 set every day. For muscle tone like you are after do them only once a week for multiple sets inorder to exhaust type-2 muscle fibers (fibers that produce muscle tone). With each subsequent set of pushups you perform more type-2 fibers become stimulated until the point of diminishing returns is reached.what about crunches? Can this be done ed or as much as desired? do weighted abs once a week unless getting ready for pt exam that requires endurance.lunges? 1x a week i am guessing? yes! everything once a week!
And what about things like machine work...ex: Arm ext or curls or flys? Do you like machines and if okay, how many times a week here? Or do you prefer free weights for their movement i assume? i like cables for flyes best as they keep constant tension on pecs. You should use a machine for inclines or use dumbbells as the upper pecs are moer visible on femels than lower pecs! I like the smith machine and hammer strength machine or use dumbbells on slight 10-15 degree incline to keep front delts from dominating exercise.. Use both free weights like seated dumbbell curls for biceps and do machine curls last. The cable machine for triceps-(tricep pressdowns and leaning overhead tricep extensions) are great!also.....what do you advise for the best way to help lean the outer thighs? lose body weight all over and do squats on smith machine, lunges on smith machine , leg ext, lying leg curls and toe presses on leg press machine for calves. Keep reps around 10-15 and train hard. Do 3 sets of squats, 3 sets of lunges, 3 sets of leg ext, 6 sets of leg curls, 3 sets of toe presses to failure. and any tips as far as best way to get a flat stomach as far as exercise goes...crunches, reverse crunches or hanging leg raises and mostly important is diet!
i am shocked now that i have had time to think about it.... That i am to only work my triceps and biceps 1x a week! This is amazing....make those once a week workout count by using good form with great intensity. Stimulate, then back off and let them tone up.i appreciate your help, ronnie! So much~

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[kelevra]

First reload was 500mg test only. second is 750mg test and 500mg decca.
This is UGL gear and in all honesty is prob under dosed. When i come back for next 20 week sling shot (with quality pharm grade gear), would 750mg test first reload followed by the second with 750mg test e with 300mg of a tri tren be good? It will be my second sling shot run.

[Ronnie Rowland]

First reload was 500mg test only. second is 750mg test and 500mg decca.
This is UGL gear and in all honesty is prob under dosed. When i come back for next 20 week sling shot (with quality pharm grade gear), would 750mg test first reload followed by the second with 750mg test e with 300mg of a tri tren be good? It will be my second sling shot run.

I would start first 8 week reload with 500 mgs of test and 300 mgs of tri-tren then increase both test and tren during second reload.

[Bulkn]

Hey Ronnie!
I have some bloodwork questions for you:
I am currently on 750mg sustanon, here are my hormone levels 5/6 weeks in:

Oestradiol: 142 pmol/L (0-190) I am on 10mg Aromasin ED do you think it will be ok to lower it a little?
Testosterone: >52.0 nmol/L (8.0-27.8)
Calc. Free Test:1.702 nmol/L (0.091-0.579)
SHBG: 20.4 nmol/L (10.0-70.0)

Do you think my test levels are a bit low for 750mg? Last time i was on 520mg test C and my testosterone levels were around 30% higher. My blood was tested by a different lab this time so there is either inconsistencies between the two labs or my sustanon is dosed below 250mg/ml. What do you think?
I feel that my strength and gains are just as good if not better with the sustanon so i am confused.

[Bulkn]

Hey Ron I think you missed me again, thanks:

Hey Ronnie!
I have some bloodwork questions for you:
I am currently on 750mg sustanon, here are my hormone levels 5/6 weeks in:

Oestradiol: 142 pmol/L (0-190) I am on 10mg Aromasin ED do you think it will be ok to lower it a little?
Testosterone: >52.0 nmol/L (8.0-27.8)
Calc. Free Test:1.702 nmol/L (0.091-0.579)
SHBG: 20.4 nmol/L (10.0-70.0)

Do you think my test levels are a bit low for 750mg? Last time i was on 520mg test C and my testosterone levels were around 30% higher. My blood was tested by a different lab this time so there is either inconsistencies between the two labs or my sustanon is dosed below 250mg/ml. What do you think?
I feel that my strength and gains are just as good if not better with the sustanon so i am confused.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron I think you missed me again, thanks:Originally Posted by Bulkn
Hey Ronnie!
I have some bloodwork questions for you:
I am currently on 750mg sustanon, here are my hormone levels 5/6 weeks in:

Oestradiol: 142 pmol/L (0-190) I am on 10mg Aromasin ED do you think it will be ok to lower it a little? [B](normal levels post cycle are 10-53 pg/ml) Yes lower it some.[/B
]Testosterone: >52.0 nmol/L (8.0-27.8) (normal total test levels post cycle are 241-827 ng/dl)
Calc. Free Test:1.702 nmol/L (0.091-0.579) (normal fee test levels post cycle are 8.7-25.1 pc/ml)SHBG: 20.4 nmol/L (10.0-70.0)

Do you think my test levels are a bit low for 750mg? Last time i was on 520mg test C and my testosterone levels were around 30% higher. My blood was tested by a different lab this time so there is either inconsistencies between the two labs or my sustanon is dosed below 250mg/ml. What do you think? If you are using UG lab steroids then expect blood levels to be inconsistent most of the time. Sometimes their products are over-doses and sometimes they are way under-dosed. There is no regulation of these products so you are at the mercy of the lab guy making them. You really never know what you are getting! I feel that my strength and gains are just as good if not better with the sustanon so i am confused. Some people tend to make more stregnth gains off sustanon in comparison to enanthate even though you hold a little less water so that explains that! In addition, people tend to have to take higher dosages of sustanon than test-e or test-c inorder to receive the same libido enhancing effects. I've seen people have to double their dosages. This means if they took 1 gram of test-e in the past they needed 2 grams of sustanon per week to obtain a comparable libido. So, bump up your dosage to 1000 per week!

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[MercuryEvo]

Hey Ron, I have a friend running the SAME exact plan as me and he's in his 4th week. The first 3 weeks, he was using one brand of Test E, 750mg a week and he complained of slight pain 1-2 days after each injection. He just switched to a new kind of Test E this week and it seems that there is NO pain the next day. The new stuff came with a hologram, auth codes, etc... The first one was unheard of and only had 8 mL's instead of a full 10. So now he's worried that it was bunk gear. Other problem is, he started his Ai and HCG this week as well, but now it seems like he's really only beginning his reload now. Should he still only do 8 weeks? Or just do 8 weeks from now and follow through as planned? Below is what he's on (just like me) for reference

week 1 750mg test e
week 2 750mg test e
week 3 750mg test e
week 4 750mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 5 750mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 6 750mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 7 750mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 8 750mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 9 250mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 10 250mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

reload: (12 hard sets per body part each week, 300g protein, 200g carbs, 80g fat)
week 11 1g test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 12 1g test e, hcg off, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 13 1g test e, hcg off, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 15 1g test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 16 1g test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 17 1g test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 18 1g test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 19 200mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 20 200mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

pct: (continue reload / deload workouts and exercises as well as diet)
week 21 aromasin 12.5mg eod, hcg 500iu
week 22 nolvadex, 40mg ed,
week 23 nolvadex, 40mg ed,
week 24 nolvadex, 20mg ed,
week 25 nolvadex, 20mg ed

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron, you always hear guys saying you have to add some body fat while bulking in order to see good gains. Also, you look at some of the big boys in the off season and they look pretty fat, then when show time comes they're ripped!! I was down to about 7-8% BF after my last cut, but now I'm doing 1.5 grams of Test 700 mg Tren E 60 mg Var ed and am getting a little fat (I'm half way through week 3 and getting very big on my lifts, I went from 5 days to 3 days of cardio) but I don't look as good as I did immediately after the cut. Now what I don't want to do is panic and roll my diet back to the point of never really getting a decent bulk going like I hear of guys doing all the time. I guess my question is what % BF can a guy hope to maintain and still bulk well. Will the Var and Tren take care of this? I'm not panicking or anything and I know I can cut later if that's what it takes, but I live in a 365 day a year tourist beach community and everyday's a good day to be ripped!!

[slimshady01]

In regards to running aromasin during cycle whether you are gyno prone or not.

Here is a copy and past from another post on this board. He had blood work done on and off the AI. his free test was 3x higher running 10mg eod.

Would it not be good to do this since it's known aromasin lowers shbg?



Yes sorry...here it is

.......................Aromasin 10mg EOD...............No Aromasin

Total Test (8-35)............40................................> 50
Estrogen (<.18).............0.32.......................... . .. 0.69
SHBG (8-60)..................5............................ ........17
Free Test (2.3-9.9)........81.2...............................29. 8

The last BW was taken 5 days after ceasing Aromasin.
After the BW, I immediately got back on.
Got tired, lost libido, lost energy and lift, and looked a little bloated.
I have to take this week off from workout.
Finally starting to feel better today, and wood is back.
I guess this experiment cost me some progress..lol, but I really wanted to find out what impact the Aromasin had.
IMO, why run without. Look what the small dose did to my Free Test......3 times higher!!!!!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

in regards to running aromasin during cycle whether you are gyno prone or not.

Here is a copy and past from another post on this board. He had blood work done on and off the ai. His free test was 3x higher running 10mg eod.

Would it not be good to do this since it's known aromasin lowers shbg? i would choose proviron at 50 mgs per day over aromasin. Proviron like aromasin has bascially no estrogen rebound when coming off and proviron wont affect joint health and sex drive in a negative way like aromasin does and proviron also lowers shbg levels!yes sorry...here it is

.......................aromasin 10mg eod...............no aromasin

total test (8-35)............40................................> 50
estrogen (<.18).............0.32.......................... . .. 0.69
shbg (8-60)..................5............................ ........17
free test (2.3-9.9)........81.2...............................29. 8

the last bw was taken 5 days after ceasing aromasin.
After the bw, i immediately got back on.
Got tired, lost libido, lost energy and lift, and looked a little bloated.
I have to take this week off from workout.
Finally starting to feel better today, and wood is back.
I guess this experiment cost me some progress..lol, but i really wanted to find out what impact the aromasin had.
Imo, why run without. Look what the small dose did to my free test......3 times higher!!!!!!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, you always hear guys saying you have to add some body fat while bulking in order to see good gains. Also, you look at some of the big boys in the off season and they look pretty fat, then when show time comes they're ripped!! I was down to about 7-8% BF after my last cut, but now I'm doing 1.5 grams of Test 700 mg Tren E 60 mg Var ed and am getting a little fat (I'm half way through week 3 and getting very big on my lifts, I went from 5 days to 3 days of cardio) but I don't look as good as I did immediately after the cut. Now what I don't want to do is panic and roll my diet back to the point of never really getting a decent bulk going like I hear of guys doing all the time. I guess my question is what % BF can a guy hope to maintain and still bulk well. Will the Var and Tren take care of this? I'm not panicking or anything and I know I can cut later if that's what it takes, but I live in a 365 day a year tourist beach community and everyday's a good day to be ripped!! Var and tren help with getting cut (GH even more) but diet is most important. Stay around 12% body fat while bulking and you'll gain muscle.

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[SlimmerMe]

Learning a LOT here....thanks Ronnie.....A LOT!