M1t FAQ

[userabuser]

The goal here is to make it a bit easier on the newbie that needs to order the items mentioned in the faq.


M1t Easy to find.

transdermal 4-ad Hard to determine for a newbie. I found two differant ones.
Either should work.
s1+
4Derm

hawthorne berry ext Easy to find

Nolvadex What I found was called:
Tamoxifen Citrate

Clomid Therapy What I found was called:
Clomiphene Citrate

Milk Thistle Easy to find

If I've got any of this wrong, hopefully the more "informed" folks around here will straighten me out.

[Soldier of Misfortune]

The goal here is to make it a bit easier on the newbie that needs to order the items mentioned in the faq.

transdermal 4-ad Hard to determine for a newbie. I found two differant ones.
Either should work.
s1+
4Derm

Nolvadex What I found was called:
Tamoxifen Citrate

Clomid Therapy What I found was called:
Clomiphene Citrate

If I've got any of this wrong, hopefully the more "informed" folks around here will straighten me out.

The 4Derm is the stuff you want, birsling has it and it works for him, I have it and havent started yet. Its also cheaper than S1+ and they have the same results according to the site I saw them on. As is Tamoxifene citrate and Clomiphene Citrate. Theyre just the lab terms for the chems, same as methelenedeoxymethamphetamine is the lab name for ecstacy.

[birsling]

methelenedeoxymethamphetamine

Imagine throwing that around on the street. Takes 5 minutes to say

[userabuser]

******SIDEBAR******

Guys, I am sorry that I have to do this again, but it has to be done. Please, PLEASE, read before you post. NO LINKS in the open forum! I have not been here that long, but I took the time to read and learn. Please have respect for the forum and read the rules, educational threads, and other info. Again, sorry to all that have to read this, but it is the only way. If you have a link you would like to give, PM!

I appologize. I saw the post from the other gentlemen, and saw where it asked if these links were ok to post. I saw no response otherwize, so assumed.. It won't happen again.

[birsling]

That wasn't just for you bro. I know you were quoting a previous post. It is a general statement. It is happening more and more, and I have only been here 2 months. I could only imagine what the people that have been here a long time think. As far as the products you are looking for, you have it right. Go with the 4-derm it works great. I am on my last few days of the cycle, and love it

[Soldier of Misfortune]

Same with Cannabis sativa, Lysergic acid diethylamide, psilocybe, Phencyclidine, etc

[LeanMeOut]

**** I can't believe this thread is 5 pages long lol......



<<LMO>>

[Spoon]

**** I can't believe this thread is 5 pages long lol......



<<LMO>>

its going to be 6 soon. this should just be a sticky!

[iNvid]

its going to be 6 soon. this should just be a sticky!

Agreed. Along with the thread about all the info you need on ph.

[birsling]

Same with Cannabis sativa, Lysergic acid diethylamide, psilocybe, Phencyclidine, etc

You're making me drool S.O.M. LOL. Yeah, can somebody get me a sticky on this? This is a supplement forum "MUST READ"

[Soldier of Misfortune]

The all you needa know about PH is a sticky-icky, this one deff needs to be.

[RockyX]

The thread needs to get the attention of a mod first. I don't believe many of the mods are reading about prohormones, as most have already moved on to AAS. Some one should drop a PM to a mod or two requesting it to become a sticky, better yet, we all should.

[Daven]

Have a question for you guys... I've run two m1t cycles in the past, one at 5, 10 then 15mg, did nothing, then another going up to 20mg, a little bit of water retention but that was it. There was absolutly *no* change in weights on my lifts, not even another rep... Would you sudjest I go to 25-30mg? Im trying to give this one more chance, taking 20mg right now, im also taking insulin at the same time so I was thinking that this should help get the m1t absorbed quite a bit better, but too early to tell...

As for my stats,
24, 5'11" 210 @ 10%bf, 3 AAS cycles over the past 3 years.

[nsa]

If your not responding to 20 mg's of m1t your doing something wrong or are a non-responder(rare with m1t). Im assuming your diet and training regimen are good, if they are not, then that is your problem.

[Daven]

4000cals a day, 300g of protein, my training was a 5x5 routine, how I got to be 210 lbs in the first place, so i say it does a good job. And if you look, i was indeed responding to it, just putting on water, but that still would show that the hormone is working in some degree.

[nsa]

Switch up your routine every month or two, other than that you could go with 30 mg's if you want, but your gonna need milk thistle at that dose.

[Daven]

I do, 5x5 can be used with many diffrent exersizes, but yes I do switch it up, that still woudnt explain no gain... I think im going to keep going at 20mg to see how it reacts with the slin, im running milk thistle right now, how much should I run though, i usualy run 1g with an oral, think that should cover it?

[nsa]

Yes.

[birsling]

Daven,
What were the previous AAS cycles. When did you start each, and what was your original starting point. 5'11", 210lbs isn't small, but it definitely isn't big for 3 cycles AAS, and 2 or 3 M1T. What is the quality/layout of your diet?

[Daven]

At my biggest, i was 240 @ 13%, I had to have back surgery that left me in a bed for 2 months, got down to about 180 ish, my last cycle was test/d-bol that got me up to 210... and as ive said, the m1t really didnt do anything.

Diet right now, is slightly cutting, im on a 4 hour acting insulin right now, so there isnt really a way to get alot of cals in, and im trying to get down to 8% also.

[birsling]

At my biggest, i was 240 @ 13%, I had to have back surgery that left me in a bed for 2 months, got down to about 180 ish, my last cycle was test/d-bol that got me up to 210... and as ive said, the m1t really didnt do anything.

Diet right now, is slightly cutting, im on a 4 hour acting insulin right now, so there isnt really a way to get alot of cals in, and im trying to get down to 8% also.

Sorry to hear about the back bro. Back injuries, especially surgery, are tough to come back from. Good job getting the weight back up. I am curious about your intensity during your workout, is your strength up? You keep saying the M1T isn't doing anything but making you retain water, is it doing anything for your strength levels? Everybody is different, but 20mg is pretty high to not see anything but H20 retention.

[nsa]

Just up your calories...

[Daven]

no, no diffrance in my strength when i was on it, when I ran 20mg it was even a 3 week cycle, I went from about 204 dry weight to 210, then went right back down in pct, didnt even gain a rep that was out of place really.

Yea, it was pretty bad, the worst part was the bordom, all I had for about 2 months, was a tv and a labtop, you get sick of that real quick :/

[scriptfactory]

My strength went up dramatically on M1T.

Before:
Height: 6'1"
BF%: circa 20%
Weight: 255lbs
Bench: 1x2 @ 305lbs

After:
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 264lbs
BF%: circa 17%
Bench: 2x8 305lbs, 1x6 315lbs

The strange thing about this is I was actually trying to lose weight because I heard M1t was good for cutting. I started out with 400mg 4-AD but it caused me to retain too much water. After 1 week on M1T I started my T3/Clen cycle (I know... stupid... I don't need comments) but I still gained weight!!! I was eating around 1600 calories a day. I really can't explain what is going on with my body but I have never had results like this from any supplement. I am actually gaining muscle while on a very low cal diet. It's crazy. Most of my calories were from protein and the rest from carbs.

[Soldier of Misfortune]

The strange thing about this is I was actually trying to lose weight because I heard M1t was good for cutting. I started out with 400mg 4-AD but it caused me to retain too much water. After 1 week on M1T I started my T3/Clen cycle (I know... stupid... I don't need comments) but I still gained weight!!! I was eating around 1600 calories a day.

PAINS, IN CHEST!!! LEFT SIDE, NUMB!! BLURRED, VISON!! Dude, M1T is deff not a cutting supp. It is a bulking steroid. You should have been eating at least 4G's a day. That would prolly have given you another 5lbs at least.

[RockyX]

1600 calories for someone 260lbs??? Imagine the strides you could make if you were to eat correctly! Follow me to the diet forum young grasshopper.

[scriptfactory]

Yes, I know my diet sucks. It's too hard for me to eat with my job and everything. Maybe I'll head to the diet forum for some tips.

[nsa]

There are many meals you can prepare and bring to work that are healthy. RTD meal replacements, chicken and brown rice, etc...

[Soldier of Misfortune]

Smokers getta have smoke breaks, why cant body builders have "stuff your face breaks?" Or better yet, work out breaks.

[nsa]

If you have an office job, im sure you could drink a shake or eat some brown rice and chicken without even taking a break.

[nsa]

If you boss has a problem with you eating or drinking a protein shake on the job just tell them that you are glycemic or diabetic and you have to get some source of carbs, they don't know the difference between a carb shake and protein shake.

[Soldier of Misfortune]

But then when you put on 20 extra pounds in a month, theyll be like, uuuh huh huh huh.

[nsa]

Most people don't notice considering your at work, and should be wearing a shirt, mostly long sleeve button downs. You won't be noticed much, unless your wearing a wifebeater or a sleeveless shirt to work.

[alert]

i was wondering what taking the 4-ad out of this cycle would do .. as its quite expensive ... wonder if i'd get decent results just from the m1t and clomid etc .. ?

[nsa]

If you don't have the 4-ad in the cycle you run the risk of becoming really lethargic, not being able to get your penis erect(similar to deca dick).

[Proz]

Are there any mods out there........ Can we not have an M1T or even a PS forum!!! Cummon..what ya`ll recon?

[D00fy]

nsa - how many m1t cycles have u done so far?

[dogsofwar]

As nsa indicates, the 4derm works. It'll get the crank crankin. Just a day or so after the first use, you'll be humpin your neighbors leg. Just funnin ya...But it did help immensley. I will never advocate something that does not provide results so take the 4derm into consideration. Let us know your results ~dow

[DirtyDog]

Word,

My friend and I are running this cycle for 2 weeks but without the 4-ad for our first time.

How would you recommend running the PCT? We will be using Milk Thistle, Liquid Nolvadex and Liquid Clomid as recommended.

I was thinking we should use:
40mg ED Nolvadex for first week then 20mg ED for the second week.
300mg Clomid for the first day, then 100mg ED for next 5 days, 50mg ED for final 5 days.

Might be obvious but I just wanted to check before we start in case its not right.

Another quicky, our Nolva and Clomid are coming in rubber top sealed viles. Is it possible to get the liquid out without a needle on the syringe? I dont really want hypodermics in the house if i can help it.

Thanks dude

[Soldier of Misfortune]

If the tops dont come off easily then youre gonna haffta use a syringe. Thats how I am dosing mine, plus it will be much more accurate than with any other type of, thing. Wait for nsa on the other stuff tho. Sumthin tells me he'll say the up the clomid to 10 days each for the 100 and 50mg's and run nolva for 4 weeks instead of 2. JMO tho.