Im trying to settle an argument with some friends that has gone on for years.
Who would win Bruce Lee VS Tito Ortiz?? (or any other MMA fight at 205 or under)??? Both guys in their "prime"
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Bruce Lee vs Tito Ortiz
Im trying to settle an argument with some friends that has gone on for years.
Who would win Bruce Lee VS Tito Ortiz?? (or any other MMA fight at 205 or under)??? Both guys in their "prime"
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i'll say bruce
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No way, Tito would beat all 120 lbs of Bruce
IMO.........Bruce Lee was an actor, sure he had the moves, but could he really punch out a guy like Tito, or Vitor?
I dont think so!
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I have to say Tito will beat the sh*t out of my man bruce........
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Bruce cant fight.. Tito would crush bruce kick him and strangle his as*
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Hahahah your one dumb shit, hahah yeah bruce lee became an actor first famous martial artist, id like to see tito punch a solid block of ice 3ft thick and shatter it, it would break his ****in hand, tito is not even in the same leauge as bruce lee, WTF? kinda question is this anyways.Originally Posted by mikeCbrooke
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yea thats true tito will probably lose in street fight with bruce lee but Tito will kick Lee's ass in the octagon because kicks hurt more in the streets because your not allowed to wear boots in octagon.
yea true, there not in the same league and im pretty sure anyone in the UFC
who knows kung fu or wing chun will get their ass handed to them becuase you cant kick Testicle,hurt peoples testicles.Poke out someone eyes with your fingers.Bite skin or bite testicle or bite fingers and thats the reason kung fu is the best style when going against a wrestler.Someone grapples you bite their nuts poke their eyes.Then you win but that disqualifies you in the UFC.
If someone like Tito grapples you wouldn't you bite is ear,Testicle,fingers,,shoulder arms,his whole body.and kick his nuts but thats not allowed in the UFC
Yes thats why Bruce lee has a better in street fight because he has those type of training
Thats why no one in UFC knows kung fu or wing chun
its too good/cheap to be in UFC
Have i cleared up the debate of Bruce Lee fighting any MMA fighters.
If theirs are coachs and judges then the MMA fighter will win and if theres no coaches or judges the Kung Fu guy will have the advatages of biting ears biting bits and peices and poking eyes
Last edited by Joey2ness; 05-27-2005 at 04:57 PM.
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bruce was a legend. He could throw a guy 8 feet away with his one inch punch...
But tito is ****ing tough. Bruce lee was so powerful and lightning fast. Tito is too...
i'm gonna go with Bruce.
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I dont think it was real that bruce lee could punch someone 8 feet away
I saw on mythbuster that a full on 12 gauge shot gun blast to the chest of a 200lb pig couldn't even knock it 1 feet away...myth busted and this wasn't a movie
Bruce lee was lightning fast but if Tito punched him once he would be knock out cold. and not to mention bruce lee would fly 16 feet away ''Joking''
Fact: Bruce lee had only one testicle
I read that off from Time Magazine and i found over 100 different asian legitimate news sites that backs this fact up
http://www.time.com/time/time100/her...ile/lee02.html
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umm wow...bruce lee?....are you talking about bruce lee the legend? this shouldn't even be a question...the guy was the baddest dude ever...period...
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Dude, that stament is redicuous. If you knew anything about physics you'd know that for a gun to knock someone down, the shooter himself would be knocked down! Also the bullet, or buckshots energy is dispersed as it penetrated the flesh reducing the impact. You can't compare punches to gunshots in that context.
A fist is a much harder hit and yes it's possible to knock someone 8 feet. Go watch a video of it.
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since when was a fist much harder hit then getting pump full of buckshot from up close,dont tell me movies.
Go re-read what you just typed!
Are you the type of person that believes most the things you see in movies'
I just watched the video of it and im up in arms with my mouth wide open with amazement in my eyes and it must be real, Joking!
Last edited by Joey2ness; 05-22-2005 at 01:02 AM.
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Have you even taken highschool physics let alone have a degree in applied sciences? ...that's what i though
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bruce Lee
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any decent guy fighting in PRIDE would woop bruce lee
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I actually know guys in California that sparred with Bruce on a regular basis. He had lots of difficulty with them all. Bruce was only 125-135lbs soak'n'wet. Bruce was an extremely talented Martial Artist and great with camera angles and such. Frankly, if it wasn't for Bruce taking the Arts to a histerically elevated level back in the 70's, some of us might not have ever gotten into MA's in the first place. His place is secure, but he was "not" a NHB type of fighter that much I do know!
MJ
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this fact plus everthing i wrote should be enough to answer this stupid question. If bruce could just penetrae 200 pound bags with his foot, then why arent all of his training partners dead, or at least severly injured? Why would he have any trouble? He broke the bag, didn't he? By your logic no human could last more than a split second with Bruce. Well, news flash: the bag wasnt MOVING.
All of bruces miralcualous feats must be taken with a grain of salt.
Im not sayin i don't love bruce, but he can't hold a candle to one of the worlds top fighters in the worlds most elite fighting competition
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Bruce Lee would kill tito or any other MMA fighter. He was too fast for real-time vids. You can't see the punch in real-time, it has to be slowed down to see it coming. If you can't see a punch, how can you defend against it. He couldn't fight??? Are you kidding me? You have no idea how many street fights he had to fight just because he was bruce lee. People would start fights with him on the street and even break into his home to fight him in hopes of being the man that defeated bruce lee. MMa fiighters today don't have to deal with a tenth of the sh!t bruce went through. Bruce was a legend for a reason. Don't disrespect him with questions like this...
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Most people that talk about brue lee use words like "legend" , "disrespect", and "lighting fast"---which arent very concrete
Im just looking for some kinda real/unbiased argument other than the rather popular- "emotional" conection to the question
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Bruce lee is a joke.. And TITO ORTIZ HAS A GLASS JAW SO ITS GONNA BE A CLOSE FIGHT
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dude bruce lee by far. bruce is so fast, bro he would snap tito f&ckin neck before he evening knew what hit him
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It is true that Bruce had to slow down because the camera couldn't pick up his moves clearly. It is documented.
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Thank You NSA. Bruce would kick Tito's no punch taking butt in under 30 seconds. Everyone is talking about size, did anyone watch the Brewster vs. Golata fight the other night. The first time Tito tried to come in on Bruce he would be hit so hard it would either be a KO or he'd be shook so bad he couldn't defend himself. For health reasons he better hope he got KO'd quick because if he didn't he might be seriously hurt from the shots he'd take after he could't defend himself. Tito got KO'd with one punch from Liddel. Anyone who knows about martial arts realizes that Bruce hit harder than Liddel, who is definitely no slouch. Ask Liddel if he thinks he punches harder than Bruce. You might be surprised at the answer.
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Well just come out with it. Did chuck ever say anything about his punching power compared to bruces? I shoulda asked him a year and a half ago when i met him i guess, but i couldnt fathom people actuallly arguing over whether bruce could stand up to UFC guys anyway. Since i don't hang out with chuck regularly i doubt i'lll get the chance to ask him.
And NSA, if bruce could just destroy anyone with a single high kick, how do you explain Mighty Joes accounts of his training partners? Why didn't bruce just "High kick" them all?
Just for the record, not that strenght really matters, but Bruce never squated over 100 llbs. Personlly i don't see a guy who uses 25's on the barbell for squats when he's going heavy, beating tito or any other top UFC guy.
But i will say this. He may be able to take Jens pulver or some other light weights. Maybe.
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Yea it would have been amazingly odd if golata had won even though he's bigger because most people wouldn't believe that a white heavy weight boxer exist and if white heavy weight champion does exist dont tell me because your gonna make me laugh so hard and thats why the Brewster
(smaller guy) ''''THE BLACK GUY'''' won the WBO TITLE
In boxing i always thought of the black guy as the best and who cares how big the other guys are and if their not black their probably not gonna win and most boxers are black any ways.When you here the word boxing,you quickly think of Mike Tyson.Long time ago Mike Tyson went against a guy bigger then him and won and that guy was white.Blacks are the Best in boxing,genetics maybe.Im not racist or black and your crazy if you think blacks arent the best in boxing and other sports
and why im talking about this i dont know
and if there are any asians with bruce lee power they should join Boxing but there are no asian boxers lolool or ETC............
They can make a cool movie and the Champion will be an Asian dude and that shall get the hopes up for all bruce lee fans and Jet Li should star in that movie or Chow Yun Fat because chow dodges bullets in real life and no one can prove he doesn't and if they can they can also prove Bruce lee is only a actor and not the Ultimate Fighter we believe he is
Modern day Bruce Lee is Chow Yun Fat and what more proof do you need,the guy dodges bullets in real life just as good as keanu reeves in movies
is this good enough of a point for youa
Keanu ReevesVvs. Chow Yun Fat
They both dodge bullets and alone beaten up
over 100 well seasoned trained\armed enemies
Fat has the size advantage but Reeves has the speed
Whos gonna win,some say Reeves can dodge bullets and not only that he can also catch and throw them back at you with lightning speed.
Fat can dodge bullets but cannot catch bullets untill we see them fight we do not know what awesome powers he has in store for Reeves
Heres the link to Brewster Vs Golota
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/SPORT/05...xing.brewster/
Last edited by Joey2ness; 05-25-2005 at 05:45 AM.
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The Beauty is: We can only speculate. We all lost Bruce way too soon. Funny though, he would be about 64 or 65 years old if he was still alive today! And I'll bet he would be a huge fan of MMA fights!
MJ
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if u think bruce lee is a joke, ur a joke.
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According to Bruce Lee he was in over 300 street fights. I can assure you he knew how to fight against people trying to take him down.
It's not biased to point out that he was faster than a camera could catch on normal film. You could see the punch when it was over, but not when it was in motion.
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this is true. anyone that's doubts bruce lee bases their assumption on what they see in the movies. bruce lee's movie fighting was just that, movie fighting. he fought street fights in which he could have been killed had he not won. he was and still is the shit.
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Bruce lee is the original master of Jeet Kun Do. A very effective martial arts style that Lee adapted from over 14 different martial arts styles. He shortened the moves, made them less for show and improved them by over 100% This angered many people...
He is now a legend. People think Bruce lee was a fraud or nothing but an actor?
If you have any doubts, read
"the Tao of Jeet Kune Do" by Bruce Lee.
Most of his secrets lie there.
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R.I.P. Bruce Lee
RESPECT.
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I can't belive the ignorance here. Tito would win. Bruce is fast YES....but way to small. In strenght as well as height. It's hard fighting a taller guy. Bruce was onlt 5'7" at the tallest and never wieghed more than 147 at the heaviest, if that. Most of the time he was lighter.
As far as the one inch punch stuff, here's what i have to say. If you are positioned perfectly and concetrate, you may be able to generate enough force to knock a person down with 1 inch of distance.......HOWEVER....nobody in a fight just stands there waiting for you to perfect your position, your foot placement, your breathing, you focus, and or your generation of chi(if it even exists), becuse they are a MOVING target. This same rule applies to those who can break 5 thick blocks of ice with a karate chop. It may work when you focus for 10 seconds and the angle is perfect and breathing and body positioning is all in order, and when you've practiced it dozens of times, but how many of those variables do you have with a real fight? 0. You can't position and breath perfect and set up u perfect shot in a real fight that will generate enough force to break 10 bricks or blocks of ice. In a real fight, its movement, and how well you can move and set up shots. Case in point: How many heavy weight boxing champs do you know that broke bricks regularly? I can't think of any.
Bruce was awesome. But he would not be able to stand up to most fighters today. He may hold his own on the stand-up. Maybe even manage to knock a guy down(where talkin guys like Jens Pulver or B.J. Pen, small guys) but he wouldn't be able to do much on the ground becuase of his size. Not that bruce couldn't grapple. Bruce made many contributions to modern day shootwrestling and had some wicked submissions of his own. But his lack of strength would hold him back, plus his form of grappling and ground work was proably not quite as advanced as most MMA fighters today.
Would Bruce beat tito? No.
Now the real question would be: If bruce could travel forward in time as a young man, and train with top MMA fighters of today, do some roids to beef him up, how much damage would he do? Hmm. That would be interesting.
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you're not thinking about it in the right way. the one inch punch is powerful. now imagine his power in a full on punch.
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I get it Bruce lee was the God of War for most people and even if you shot lee in the head with a .357 magnum.The bullet will just ricochet off him and hit you own head.The Matrix would have been real to most people if they didn't reveal how they did the movie.
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Are you serious? Bruce Lee would knock him out in literally under a minute with a high kick that he wouldn't even see. You won't see it in his movies, but Bruce Lee was a master at the sprawl and just image him sprawling and reigning knees to the poor guy that tried to shoot in on him. Do you honestly think that people that fought him on the street and in his home didn't try to take him down?
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nice! haha
Are you serious? Bruce Lee would knock him out in literally under a minute with a high kick that he wouldn't even see. You won't see it in his movies, but Bruce Lee was a master at the sprawl and just image him sprawling and reigning knees to the poor guy that tried to shoot in on him. Do you honestly think that people that fought him on the street and in his home didn't try to take him down?
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It does my heart good to know Bruce still has so many fans! His status as a legend in MA's is secure and well deserved. But remember MA's has and always will be evolving. A Bruce Lee from 1973 would not beat a T.O. of 2005.
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You are all crazy,
Its like asking if father christmas would beat the easter bunny ha ha. lmfao...ha ha ha ha.
But I get the idea. Fighting is a unique set ot variables including LUCK. You can beat a guy one day but dont let it go to your head cos theres no law says he wont beat up on you the next time you meet. Any1 can be beat. Every1 can be knocked out. And if your unlucky enougth to get caught flush on the chin by any decent fighter who can punch.( for example tito or lee) Then no matter who you are Lennox lewis, tito, tyson ,lee, rickson Im hard gracy or the big guy in the gym you stand the chance of being Knocked out and kicked to death.
On the other hand if you were to trip and lose your footing for a minute and the punch missed you and you countered then things could go a different way.
Ive had many street fights. Won some lost some knocked people out almost killed people.
Had my nose broke face split. Beat guys who I was lucky to beat and lost to guys I should have wooped. How many times you come out uf the gym feeling shit good days and bad days. Rougth and smooth.
Obviously the two fighters in question were different in there styles and uniquely talented. And obviously technique strenght skill and abillity come into fighting but you can never say wholl beat who untill thewy get it on. Life has to many upsets in it for that.
And size doesnt really matter, Or else we wouldnt need to fight just see who was the biggest and leave it at that.
Shit man think Im crazy ive wrote a ****ing essay about nothing.... wonder who would win out of father christmas and the easter bunny
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5 pages of posts and this is the most intelligent thing I've read. No offense to the other guys but this makes all the sense in the world to me.
MT
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I thought i would add something all the haters are saying why bruce will lose because of evolution of the game well... Look at it this way.....
Tito back then will lose to Bruce Lee lack there of modern fighting evolution..... Bruce Lee would win today. BC he'd take Modern fighting to a WHOLE NEW LEVEL like he did in the 70's but in todays generation...
Bruce lee's life was training. He pretty much died training. Do you people not think that in todays world he would not even try to perfect it even more?
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