Test E and Dbol first cycle

[Hellmaskbanned]

i have torn cartilage in one knee and a slightly torn acl. do u still recomend this?

Do I recomend you taking winstrol? Depends how bad your joints feel, and also how you will respond to it. It might not effect your joints, or it could dry you out so bad it hurts walking up stairs and your wrists feel like pins are in the while benching. It's more of a personal preference sort of deal. But if your suffering from joint issues to begin with it will most likely make it worse IMO. Countering it with Glucosamine, Vit C, lots of water/proper rest, should help alot.

[Haro3]

Do I recomend you taking winstrol? Depends how bad your joints feel, and also how you will respond to it. It might not effect your joints, or it could dry you out so bad it hurts walking up stairs and your wrists feel like pins are in the while benching. It's more of a personal preference sort of deal. But if your suffering from joint issues to begin with it will most likely make it worse IMO. Countering it with Glucosamine, Vit C, lots of water/proper rest, should help alot.

cool will do


as far as seeing anything... im still strong. i look a lil leaner. and not as full cuz i lost the bloat. the last week has been bad so much stuff gonig on with school so i havent hit it super hard but i will get back at it hardcore this week. that and i started a new job so it was just a bad week. ill keep ya posted

[ironaddict69]

you know haro...instead of winny...maybe proviron? itll help alot with those other problems if ur still having them, but H E Y S MA R T P E OP L E like hellmask, would winny increase sex drive as well because its a DHT derived?

[Hellmaskbanned]

you know haro...instead of winny...maybe proviron? itll help alot with those other problems if ur still having them, but H E Y S MA R T P E OP L E like hellmask, would winny increase sex drive as well because its a DHT derived?

Winstrol does not increase sex drive, if anything it will decrease it.

[Haro3]

sweet. im too horny anyways. gf cant keep up. lol oh by the way im starting to break out on my traps/chest
VERY minor tho. but it means my shit is kickin in/real so im happy

[briancb1]

sweet. im too horny anyways. gf cant keep up. lol oh by the way im starting to break out on my traps/chest
VERY minor tho. but it means my shit is kickin in/real so im happy

So how long did the test take to kick in?

[Haro3]

if its fully kicked in now id say 6 weeks. but i dont know.

[ironaddict69]

yeah man ull see it get even better if ur just noticing it now.

[Haro3]

i have noticed a slight lose in strenght. today makes end of 6 weeks beginning of week 7. test is definately kicin in as im starting to break out across my neck and shoulders and acoouple on my arms.. which in all honesty im happy. it means its working (im not breaking out bad by anymeans tho)

[Johny-too-small]

i have noticed a slight lose in strenght. today makes end of 6 weeks beginning of week 7. test is definately kicin in as im starting to break out across my neck and shoulders and acoouple on my arms.. which in all honesty im happy. it means its working (im not breaking out bad by anymeans tho)

How many kcals are you eating ed?

[Haro3]

4200 but i've been eating kinda crappy the past week. i've been so busy with new job and school right before break etc. so im sure over 4000 easily closer to 5k. im not scared of fat. it'll come off eventually

[Haro3]

today was chest day. good lift. got 130's for 7 on flat d.b with no spot deep presses felt good. i've noticed i've been tired lately and jus not ambition to lift etc. so i think im going to take this week since its thanksgiving and im going home anyways to take some time to rest up and hopefully reload myself. ill lift but im going to lift significantly lighter and higher reps around 12 or so and cut my lifts prolly 20+% prolly more than that even. im not over training as far as to high of volume but i think these 7 weeks of hard, heavy lifting have really taxed my body and i think it just needs to rest...it cant hurt to find out. ill let u know if i come back stronger.

[ironaddict69]

you will come back stronger as long as you eat your ass off during this thanksgiving break.

[Haro3]

you will come back stronger as long as you eat your ass off during this thanksgiving break.

that shouldnt be a prob

[creative-pump]

U r inspiring me for my coming cyle! i have very similar stats and build as you and would definitely love to have the kind of gains your having! remeber me becuase i will be posting a log soon of my cyle and it would be great to get your advice along the way!

creative-pump

[Haro3]

U r inspiring me for my coming cyle! i have very similar stats and build as you and would definitely love to have the kind of gains your having! remeber me becuase i will be posting a log soon of my cyle and it would be great to get your advice along the way!

creative-pump

thx for the comments man. ill definately check urs out and share my knowledge along the way. this is only my first time so im no expert but i think i've gota pretty good handle on things

[rocky5119]

where is the best place to get test e can you get it offline

[king6]

where is the best place to get test e can you get it offline

[Haro3]

where is the best place to get test e can you get it offline

yea www.dontaskforsources.com

and get out of my thread with that crap

[chest6]

Make sure you eat plenty this break if you expect to come back stronger or the same

[Haro3]

Make sure you eat plenty this break if you expect to come back stronger or the same

ill eat ALOT big j. now go deadlift half a house

SHIT i just dumped a f*in cytogainer shake on my keyboard!

[king6]

ill eat ALOT big j. now go deadlift half a house

SHIT i just dumped a f*in cytogainer shake on my keyboard!

Sounds sticky.

[Hackamaniac]

ill eat ALOT big j. now go deadlift half a house

SHIT i just dumped a f*in cytogainer shake on my keyboard!

Make your roomie lick it up...

[lil-SLIM]

hey haro when did the dbol start kickin in for u in strength and weight gain?

[neardark]

Great thread Haro!

Thanks for sharing.

[Haro3]

ok so im back from thanksgiving break i took the week off for the most part and rested. i was starting to lose gains/strength and think its from lifting to heavy for 7 weeks so i lifted very light fullbody workouts this week only 3 days though and i feel alot better (rested) and not worn out. i ate a TON and it wasnt very clean but i cant tell if i put on fat so so far so good. i dont think it hurt me any.

i started my winny on thanksgiving day at 40mg a day ill do this for a few days to make sure i have no sides then bump it to 80mg.

as far as i can tell the test is really kicked in now my back is still breaking out its not BAD but i've never had anything on my back but i do now...some are big and kinda painfull

ill go at it hardcore again starting tomorrow. and back to my clean diet. i think my back breaking out could also be from eating shitty for a week but thats ok. ill keep posting

[chest6]

6,000 calories clean! NOW! Do it!

[Haro3]

6,000 calories clean! NOW! Do it!

negative...ill stick to my 4200 kcals

[Haro3]

strenght is still the same...... i've been sweating like a BEAST my past couple workouts im curious if this is the winny? or maybe cuz im slightly sick and jus causes me to sweat more when lifting. i have started to experience back pumpsfrom the winny doing squats....and im only at 40mg so far....

[chest6]

no updates today

[bbshaw]

Come on Haro dont get lazy on the log!! How much are you weighing lately bro?

[Haro3]

like 224 again i put on some fat over my thanksgiving break but thats ok itll come off. last night was back day and i was stronger than i've been so far and im even sick! i started the winny and im gettin stronger... i didnt think winny had strength gain properties..? but eitherway im not complaining also when im lifting i've got more stamina like i can go from one heavy set to another a lil quicker this could be placebo i have no idea. also i sweat 100x more than i ever have...winny? or maybe cuz im sick but either way i love it lol ill post some pics eventually like i said i gota lil fat over break but ill get that off soon enough.

[cromwell1234]

haro-glad to see things are going good bro--Your built like I am, shoulders and tri's take most of the load on chest exercises so your chest is lagging behind like you said early-I found that heavy-powerlifting sets of# 3-Reps- on DBOL always put some extra meat on my chest where i needed it the most--good luck bro

[mateo112]

very nice log. follow it daily. nice to see a cycle that i plan on running down on paper. right on haro

[Haro3]

thx. im glad people are following it.

anyone have experience with winny ? im sweating pretty good wihle on this and am quite hungry...are these properties of winny? people say they get lean while on it which would make sense being hungry/sweating = increased metabolism jus curious

[Dangerdan]

I'm following too Haro, keep it up. Although I have no experience with winny.

[Hellmaskbanned]

thx. im glad people are following it.

anyone have experience with winny ? im sweating pretty good wihle on this and am quite hungry...are these properties of winny? people say they get lean while on it which would make sense being hungry/sweating = increased metabolism jus curious

I'm always hungry so hunger stayed the same for me.
Sweating wasn't an issue, I say thats mostly from the test , and increased bodyweight.
What I noticed was I appeared leaner and pretty damn good strength gains.
Along with achy wrists and joints...Not unbareable though.

[Haro3]

I'm always hungry so hunger stayed the same for me.
Sweating wasn't an issue, I say thats mostly from the test , and increased bodyweight.
What I noticed was I appeared leaner and pretty damn good strength gains.
Along with achy wrists and joints...Not unbareable though.

yea my strength gains are impressive for only 7 days into it...

[briancb1]

Whats your new weight? Whats your new BF%? Just curious to see what you've gained, I'm doing the same cycle in 2-3 weeks.
Keep it up!

[Haro3]

im like 222 i think bf bout same maybe higher since i put on some fat over break.