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    Week 4

    Day1
    60 oxa - 3.436 Kcal - (Biceps & Triceps, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
    Sides & Notes: Nil

    Day2
    60 oxa - 3.550 Kcal - (Back, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
    Sides & Notes: Bursts of Heat

    Day3
    60 oxa - 3.199 Kcal - (Rest)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness

    Day4
    60 oxa - 3.340 Kcal - (Legs)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness, Face Swelling, 4 mg Loperamide

    Day5
    60 oxa - 2.799 Kcal - (Rest)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness, Face Swelling, Yellow Skin (left biceps & shoulder), 4 mg Loperamide, 25.000 iu Neomycin

    Day6
    60 oxa - 3.646 Kcal - (Chest)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Tiredness, Yellow Skin, 1 gr Acetylsalicy Acid

    Day7
    60 oxa - 3.912 Kcal - (Shoulders)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Yellow Skin, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

    Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.411

    1ST WEEK NOTES
    The first week was very hard to go through. No will to eat at all and lots of problem to understand if the diarrhea was due from oxandrolone or liv.52; also I got a persistent sore throat.
    The strength increase was considerable, especially on legs and shoulders.
    As daily supplements throughout the cycle: (Multi Vitamins/Minerals 1 tb, Vitamin C/Ester 3 gr, EFA complex 6 gr, ALA 600 mg, LIV.52 2 tabs, CLA 4 gr, ZMA, Tribulus Terrestris 3 gr, Chromium Picolinate 400 mcg, Acetyl L-Carnitine 600 mg, Coenzyme Q10, Glutamine 35 gr, BCAA 20 gr, MT Gakic Hardcore 8 tbs (only before w/o), UN Animal Flex 1 pckt.

    Day 8
    60 oxa - 2.415 Kcal - (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite,Tiredness, 25.000 iu Neomycin, 4 mg Loperamide, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

    Day 9
    60 oxa - 3.400 Kcal - (Biceps & Triceps)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite

    Day 10
    60 oxa - 2.760 Kcal - (Cardio 35’)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite

    Day 11
    60 oxa - 4.208 Kcal - (Legs)
    Sides & Notes: Oxandrolone kicked in

    Day 12
    60 oxa - 3.332 Kcal - (Rest)
    Sides & Notes: Nil

    Day 13
    60 oxa - 3.645 Kcal - (Back)
    Sides & Notes: Nil

    Day 14
    60 oxa - 3.976 Kcal - (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

    Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.392

    2ND WEEK NOTES
    At day 11 finally Anavar showed me its potentiality by improving my strength incredibly. Not only the power to lift was improved but also the reps needed to exhaust the muscles.
    Furthermore, I am starving again especially after the work-outs.
    The diarrhea was given by Liv.52. I solved the problem by taking only 1 tab in the morning.

    Day 15
    60 oxa – 3.698 Kcal – (Chest)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region

    Day 16
    60 oxa – 3.645 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region

    Updated Stats (from the beginning):
    BW: 94,5 kg (207,9 lbs) +8,62%, BF: 14% +8,52%, WTR: 63,6% +0,63%, EMM: 77,3 kg (170,6 lbs) +5,17%
    (data given by Tanita BC-418)

    Day 17
    60 oxa – 3.591 Kcal – (Shoulders)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Diarrhea, 4 mg Loperamide

    Day 18
    60 oxa – 3.016 Kcal – (Rest)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region

    Blood & Urine analyses results to be compared with the ones taken before the cycle.

    CHOLESTEROL TTL: 168 mg/dl (after: 179)
    CHOLESTEROL HDL: 41 mg/dl (after: 13) (range >=40)
    INDEX RISK HDL: 4,1 (after: 13,76) (range till 5)
    CHOLESTEROL LDL: 105 mg/dl (after: 157) (range 130-159, elevated borderline)
    BILIRUBIN TTL: 1,98 mg/dl (after: 0,83) (range 0,2-1)
    BILIRUBIN DIRECT: 0,22 mg/dl (after: 0,1) (range 0,05-0,3)
    BILIRUBIN INDIRECT: 1,76 mg/dl (after: 0,73) (range till 0,7)
    CREATININE: 1,2 mg/dl (after: 1,2) (range 0,8-1,3)
    AZOTEMIA: 49 mg/dl (after: 62) (range 15-40)
    AMYLASE: 62 u/ltr (after: 55) (range 25-115)
    TRANSAMINASE GPT/ALT: 41 u/ltr (after: 86) (range 30-65)
    TRANSAMINASE GOT/AST: 21 u/ltr (after: 55) (range 15-37)
    GAMMA (YGT): 28 u/ltr (after: 29) (range 15-85)
    INSULIN: 3,34 micru/ml (after: 3,6) (range 1,9-23)
    IGF1: (184) (range 96-424)
    TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,86 ng/ml (after: 0,72) (range 1,75-7,81)
    TESTOSTERONE FREE: 11,7 pg/ml (after: 5,2) (range 8-47)
    SHBG: 38 pg/ml (after: 10) (range 13-71)
    FSH: 2,92 micru/ml (after: 2,09) (range 1,27-19,26)
    LH: 3,80 miu/ml (after: 2,19) (range 1,24-8,62)
    DHEAS: 191 mcg/dl (after: 209) (range 106-464)
    HGH: 0,2 ng/ml (after: <0,1) (range 0,0-10)

    COLOUR: straw-coloured
    APPEARANCE: lightly opalescent (after: lightly opalescent) (limpid)
    PH REACTION: 5,5 (after: 6)
    SPECIFIC WEIGHT: 1020 (after: 1016)
    PROTEINS: none mg/dl (after: none)
    HEMOGLOBIN: none (after: present +) (none)
    GLUCOSE: none gr/litre (after: none)
    KETONE BODIES: none (after: none)
    UROBILINOGEN: none mg/dl (after: none)
    BILIARY PIGMENTS: none (after: none)
    NITRITE: none (after: none)


    Day 19
    60 oxa – 3.125 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

    Day 20
    60 oxa – 3.332 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, 400 mg Acetylsalicy Acid

    Day 21
    60 oxa – 3.129 Kcal – (Rest)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, Headache, 2 gr Paracetamol, 500 mg Acetylcysteine Antibiotic, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

    Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.362

    3RD WEEK NOTES
    I understood that the best time to take oxandrolone is after the meals, not before or during, otherwise I get diarrhea and this apart from ingesting Liv.52.
    Unfortunately, I got a bit sick yesterday and today is even worse. Every year I suffer from sinusitis which I hope to cure as fast as possible.
    In regards of the results of blood analyses above reported, my bilirubin values decreased within the normal range, as expected. Oxandrolone seems "to cure" Gilberts's syndrome (which I have).
    Of course, either LDL, HDL and Transaminase went up; as well as azotemia which was already a bit higher and surely it could not start declining during the cycle.
    Strangely, creatinine stayed at the same level but this is good in relation with azotemia.
    What I do not understand are the values related to LH, FSH and HGH compared with DHEAS. Hopefully my endocrinologist, if not someone in here before, will explain this issue.

    Day 22
    60 oxa – 5.096 Kcal – (Legs)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, Diarrhea, 100 mg Nimesulide, 500 mg Acetylcysteine Antibiotic, 600 mg Acetylcysteine, 25.000 iu Neomycin, 10 mg Diazepam

    Day 23
    60 oxa – 4.003 Kcal – (Rest)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), 10 mg Diazepam

    Day 24
    60 oxa – 3.650 Kcal – (Back)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

    Day 25
    60 oxa – 4.021 Kcal – (Rest)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

    Day 26
    60 oxa / 50 mes – 4.374 Kcal – (Chest)
    Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

    Day 27
    60 oxa / 50 mes – 5.338 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
    Sides & Notes: Libido is Back, Back pain on the lumbar right region

    Day 28
    60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.071 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
    Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region

    Daily Average KCalories Intake: 4.221

    4TH WEEK NOTES
    Fortunately sinusitis, which I had between day 20/22, went away quickly.
    At day 26 I added 3 gr of Tribulus Terrestris daily.
    Since also from day 26 I am ingesting Mesterolone, my libido in back and I have very hard erections. Furthermore, I feel I can last longer while having sex.
    My daily Kcalories intake was brought up to more than 4.000 (just checking how much fat I will store comparing to when I was eating/training the same, naturally).
    This afternoon I underwent a full abdominal echography to see the overall situation and try to figure out if the pang I felt sometimes around my lower back was due to a kidney problem. The response was negative, all the organs are fine and was told it might be a problem related to training, probably a muscular micro-lesion less than 1mm, therefore not visible.
    The persistent sore throat, reported at week 1, it is still there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    Because I have The Gilbert's syndrome.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert%27s_syndrome
    Would Methyltestosterone be a feasible option for you or perhaps some other oral or transdermal testosterone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ythrashin View Post
    Would Methyltestosterone be a feasible option for you or perhaps some other oral or transdermal testosterone?
    I have no issue in running testosterone enanthate or any other injectable compounds. The Gilbert's syndrome is not a contraindication for using aas injectable.
    My issue was referring to the possible and unpredictable interactions between drugs (oxa + test) which may have led to wrong conclusions about my liver "strength" to overcome the stress related by oxandrolone.

    However, my cycle is not over yet and final conclusions cannot be taken till the end has come.

    In a couple of days I will check my stats again to see how the whole of the calories I have been eating, might have effected my body fat composition.
    Curious to see how powerful this drug is to prevent fat storage.

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    U should take b complex not too much ... Chromium piccolinate competes for absorption with b complex

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    Quote Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic View Post
    U should take b complex not too much ... Chromium piccolinate competes for absorption with b complex
    I was unaware about this, though I knew that chrome competes with the iron to link with the transferrin, a protein that provides the transportation in the blood of the iron mobilized from the "warehouses". An overdose of chronic chromium picolinate could therefore foster frameworks anemic.

    I'll check about the b complex info deeply, thanks.
    Also, if you have any link post it, pls.

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    See yet another great reason for having a good post/log like this. You/we will learn a lot for all our benifits in the future even if we don't do an Anvar cycle it's all good information to know.

    Thanks again BJJ and fellow contributors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    See yet another great reason for having a good post/log like this. You/we will learn a lot for all our benifits in the future even if we don't do an Anvar cycle it's all good information to know.

    Thanks again BJJ and fellow contributors.
    Thank YOU for noticing my effort.

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    Actually my bad... It was iron ...but if u combine it with b complex u will enhance glucose uptake in skeletal muscle cells

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    Quote Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic View Post
    Actually my bad... It was iron ...but if u combine it with b complex u will enhance glucose uptake in skeletal muscle cells
    OK then because I was not able to find anything regarding your previous post.
    Thanks for telling me.

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    That's what happens when u post on a ruch from iPhone at work with boss constantli walking around ur desk sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic View Post
    That's what happens when u post on a ruch from iPhone at work with boss constantli walking around ur desk sorry
    no problem man...

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    So today I ate a lot, 5.723 Kcal, my new daily record.

    Throughout the day, I did 1 hour of heavy work-out shoulders, also 40' of gymnastics and at the end 1 hour of bjj (just fights, 5' each and 2' rest).
    I felt, while showering a couple of hours ago, some tenderness in my elbows.
    Also, this was my fourth day of continuous training without any rest.
    Tomorrow, I'll need a break.

    After all, how can I understand which are my new limits if I do not reach them!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    See yet another great reason for having a good post/log like this. You/we will learn a lot for all our benifits in the future even if we don't do an Anvar cycle it's all good information to know.

    Thanks again BJJ and fellow contributors.
    Agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    So today I ate a lot, 5.723 Kcal, my new daily record.

    Throughout the day, I did 1 hour of heavy work-out shoulders, also 40' of gymnastics and at the end 1 hour of bjj (just fights, 5' each and 2' rest).
    I felt, while showering a couple of hours ago, some tenderness in my elbows.
    Also, this was my fourth day of continuous training without any rest.
    Tomorrow, I'll need a break.

    After all, how can I understand which are my new limits if I do not reach them!?
    I miss those warrior workouts

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    Quote Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic View Post
    I miss those warrior workouts
    why? can't you do it anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    So today I ate a lot, 5.723 Kcal, my new daily record.

    Throughout the day, I did 1 hour of heavy work-out shoulders, also 40' of gymnastics and at the end 1 hour of bjj (just fights, 5' each and 2' rest).
    I felt, while showering a couple of hours ago, some tenderness in my elbows.
    Also, this was my fourth day of continuous training without any rest.
    Tomorrow, I'll need a break.

    After all, how can I understand which are my new limits if I do not reach them!?
    Hey I missed this...what do you do for gymnastics? I was a gymnast for 20 years. Competed in college, then 2 years after college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    why? can't you do it anymore?
    Absolutely no time... School and work full time (48 hours a week)

    And martial arts are expEnsive to train ... I could train on my own have a bb in shaolin but the truth is that I'm debating myself wether to do it or not because there are lots lots of rumors about the ppl that taught me being Quakers... Now that being said they taught me nothing wrong... In fact fl( u being a martial artist) it's prob one of the most imp parts in my life...
    But if the rumors are truth they have been running a scam for way too long... And good for me that I decided to not be a misioner because then I'd be living to teach that... And at the same time they provide no evidence showing that they are not Quakers ... One thing I know is that the ppl I trained with are prob the best athletes I have known, till the point I strongly think they would be victorius matched against any top fighter with fame

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    Quote Originally Posted by fig View Post
    Hey I missed this...what do you do for gymnastics? I was a gymnast for 20 years. Competed in college, then 2 years after college.
    20 Years of experience, not bad at all!
    Can you do the mortal jump?

    I do reverse push-ups (upside down I mean) at the bar, circle at the bar, flexibility exercises at the parallelepiped, handstand at the parallel bars, shoulders rotations on the rings and rope climbing without legs.

    Nothing much I would say but the issue for me is to able able to keep doing those exercises even with the weight increase.

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    If ur running var I think u should be able to keep up with them once u burn the fat

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    Quote Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic View Post
    Absolutely no time... School and work full time (48 hours a week)

    And martial arts are expEnsive to train ... I could train on my own have a bb in shaolin but the truth is that I'm debating myself wether to do it or not because there are lots lots of rumors about the ppl that taught me being Quakers... Now that being said they taught me nothing wrong... In fact fl( u being a martial artist) it's prob one of the most imp parts in my life...
    But if the rumors are truth they have been running a scam for way too long... And good for me that I decided to not be a misioner because then I'd be living to teach that... And at the same time they provide no evidence showing that they are not Quakers ... One thing I know is that the ppl I trained with are prob the best athletes I have known, till the point I strongly think they would be victorius matched against any top fighter with fame
    Then, which will be your decision, at the end...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic View Post
    If ur running var I think u should be able to keep up with them once u burn the fat
    Well actually I can still do almost all them, in spite of the fat increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    20 Years of experience, not bad at all!
    Can you do the mortal jump?

    I do reverse push-ups (upside down I mean) at the bar, circle at the bar, flexibility exercises at the parallelepiped, handstand at the parallel bars, shoulders rotations on the rings and rope climbing without legs.

    Nothing much I would say but the issue for me is to able able to keep doing those exercises even with the weight increase.
    Had to look up mortal jump...we call it a standing back tuck, but yes I can. Also do it piked and straight body. Not sure where you're from but around here men's gymnastics is generally unappreciated and under-respected. It is tremendously difficult but commonly regarded as gay or feminine until someone really takes time to understand it. First week of school each year new football players would give weird looks but after a few weeks they were in our gym trying to keep up; we always got a ton of respect from ALL the athletes.

    Anyway, try to learn circles on a mushroom if you have one and eventually on the pommel horse. They are great for abs and delts. Also, planche exercises are probably the best thing to do for delts. For lats, try some cross strength on rings...you won't be able to hold, but lower as slowly as you can for 3-10 reps, depending on your ability. L holds are good for abs on parallel bars, can also try to press to handstand.

    There's a ton of stuff. If you want to train something specifically, send me a PM. I don't want to hijack your thread anymore than I already have. Anyone else is more than welcome to also. No flames though. I dealt with that shit most of my childhood. Despite popular belief, 99% of male gymnasts are straight, myself included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fig View Post
    Had to look up mortal jump...we call it a standing back tuck, sorry i did not know the correct word to name it but yes I can. Also do it piked and straight body. Not sure where you're from italy but around here men's gymnastics is generally unappreciated and under-respected totally unacceptable. It is tremendously difficult but commonly regarded as gay or feminine until someone really takes time to understand it ignorance plays a role. First week of school each year new football players would give weird looks but after a few weeks they were in our gym trying to keep up; we always got a ton of respect from ALL the athletes.

    Anyway, try to learn circles on a mushroom if you have one and eventually on the pommel horse i have the second one but i cannot make it really, yet. They are great for abs and delts. Also, planche exercises are probably the best thing to do for delts. For lats, try some cross strength on rings...you won't be able to hold i know!, but lower as slowly as you can for 3-10 reps, depending on your ability. L holds are good for abs on parallel bars, can also try to press to handstand.

    There's a ton of stuff. If you want to train something specifically, send me a PM. I don't want to hijack your thread anymore than I already have you did not. Anyone else is more than welcome to also. No flames though. I dealt with that shit most of my childhood. Despite popular belief, 99% of male gymnasts are straight, myself included.
    You spoke about athletes before.
    IMO, a real athlete is one who can perform something like this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9nQzmq7bQ (look at how long he held the cross!)

    I would love to have that REAL power!!!

    PS
    When I work-out and at the end I do some of the above reported exercises (mine I mean) people do look strange at me because I am no "short" like Yuri...
    but still I can accomplish some "goody" result.
    and you know what they can all do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    Then, which will be your decision, at the end...?
    I am going to keep focusing on what I do know... Studying and developing myself in a new country... I need to focus a lot in my studies and plan to start a business in the next five to ten years so I'll keep it in hold, I am only seeing my master in 6 years so I'll be on hold for thatlong ... I have a lot of work todo... New life new country... 1yr baby ... New career ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic View Post
    I am going to keep focusing on what I do know... Studying and developing myself in a new country... I need to focus a lot in my studies and plan to start a business in the next five to ten years so I'll keep it in hold, I am only seeing my master in 6 years so I'll be on hold for thatlong ... I have a lot of work todo... New life new country... 1yr baby ... New career ...
    I know what that means.
    Good Luck

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    So, today I added 10 mg more of oxandrolone to bring the ttl daily intake to 70 mg, so divided:
    30 breakfast, 20 lunch, 20 dinner, while I'll keep mesterolone at 50 mg.

    Yesterday I ate too late, 23:30, and took oxa around midnight. I had problem to fall asleep so I believe I need to take the last tabs at dinner time around 8/8:30 and in case I came late because of JJ, have to carry it with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    You spoke about athletes before.
    IMO, a real athlete is one who can perform something like this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9nQzmq7bQ (look at how long he held the cross!)

    I would love to have that REAL power!!!

    PS
    When I work-out and at the end I do some of the above reported exercises (mine I mean) people do look strange at me because I am no "short" like Yuri...
    but still I can accomplish some "goody" result.
    and you know what they can all do...
    Chechi is a LEGEND!! I used to hold a cross for 3-4 seconds, no way I could hold that long though! Chechi only retired a few years ago.

    Chechi 2004 Olympic FINALS:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aSN7u6JMNA

    This is the big name in Italy right now (I used to do his dismount):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLjrFHRQaAk

    Current Ring God:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftLI0pgrfQc

    And my personal fav:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwhCSFYULks

    Enjoy

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    Something else, tomorrow morning I am going to the hospital to have a talk to my endo in regards of the hemoglobin which was found in my last urine test.

    Hemoglobine should not be there, so I am going to figure out the reason, hopefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fig View Post
    Chechi is a LEGEND!! I used to hold a cross for 3-4 seconds, no way I could hold that long though! Chechi only retired a few years ago.

    Chechi 2004 Olympic FINALS:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aSN7u6JMNA

    This is the big name in Italy right now (I used to do his dismount):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLjrFHRQaAk

    Current Ring God:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftLI0pgrfQc

    And my personal fav:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwhCSFYULks

    Enjoy
    Thanks man, great stuff!

    Just I cannot watch the last one unfortunately, I get:
    "This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions"

    WTF

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    First of all congratulations for all your posts and exact count of caloric intake and progess, it is very helpfull for everybody.

    i just want to know if those levels of Testosterone will rise again with the PCT you proposed (clomid - tamoxifene)??
    How old are you?

    cheers from chile

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilosox View Post
    First of all congratulations for all your posts and exact count of caloric intake and progess, it is very helpfull for everybody.

    i just want to know if those levels of Testosterone will rise again with the PCT you proposed (clomid - tamoxifene)??
    How old are you?

    cheers from chile
    The meaning of this thread is to help, so thank you.

    In regards of nolva/clomid, they should of course rise up your own test production, that is the reason why a pct is needed in this case.
    Do not know yet if clomiphene will be enough, though.
    I am 36yo.

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    So this morning I was in the hospital to speak with my endo who advised me to stick with 2 weeks clomiphene 50 mg ed as pct and no tamoxifene at all, since no estrogen related problems can develop with the use of oxandrolone. So, under his own opinion using nolva in a pct after a cyle of oxandrolone could cause more damage then help.

    My testicles did not shrink at all so far but even if they had to, he was against the use of hcg during the cycle. Too risky for development of testicular malignant tumour.

    Also, the little hemoglobine in my urine is/was due to the high intensity of training. No big deal then.

    In any case, at the end of the first week on november I'll check again my blood, urine and sperm.
    Then, I'll decide about my final pct.

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    New daily intake personal record:
    5.999 Kcal

    538 gr protides (18,98 oz)
    91.6 gr lipides (3,23 oz)
    741 gr glucides (26,13 oz)

    Relation between pro/glu at 0,72, not bad at all. I wish I could be that precise every day!
    Today I trained my legs for a ttl of 25 sets.
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    So, today I felt a bit tired and had problems to eat as usual.
    I won't take my 1000 Kcal shake before bed time, so my ttl daily calories will drop but I want to see if tomorrow morning this "difference" will make more hungry than used to be so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    My testicles did not shrink at all so far but even if they had to, he was against the use of hcg during the cycle. Too risky for development of testicular malignant tumour.
    I beleive you misunderstood him or your endo is misinformed.... HCG does not cause Testicular cancer.

    HCG is only a "marker" for some Testicular tumors.

    Do a search and you'll see that is the only relationship between the 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by ythrashin View Post
    I beleive you misunderstood him or your endo is misinformed.... HCG does not cause Testicular cancer.

    HCG is only a "marker" for some Testicular tumors.

    Do a search and you'll see that is the only relationship between the 2
    High dosages of HCG injections in men can cause an istologic decay of the testicles, which "may" then lead to a testicular malignant tumour development.

    This was just a general issue information since in my case (anavar) no related problem has never been reported, as far as I am concerned.

    I was not precise in my previous post, I am glad you made me notice this.

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    By the way, my endo is "gone" since he advised me to increase my daily intake of oxandrolone of 10 mg just (I have known later on), because he was about of using my case for a publication on a monthly Italian scientific journal.
    I was unaware of this! and if I knew I would disagree.

    Furthermore...

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    The back pain on the lumbar right region has increased since I added 10 mg of anavar daily. The pain disappears while training and comes back during the rest part of the day.
    Also, the abdominal ecography was fine but the pain has increased.

    I shall go tomorrow morning to take new blood analyses instead of waiting one more week and compare the results with the ones taken at day 18, tomorrow will be day 33.
    If the values got worse in spite of my diet improvement regarding mineral water and good fats intake, I am going to end the 5th week of oxandrolone and start the required pct.

    Health at FIRST.

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    Maybe u have been training for long and need a week of or something

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    Quote Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic View Post
    Maybe u have been training for long and need a week of or something
    I hope you are right and that it's just a muscolar problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thai-lan View Post
    let us know about the bloodwork
    The blood analyses said oxandrolone and this is the certificate I got with the drug.
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