Big Brother is watching you.Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55
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Big Brother is watching you.
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They also have the 6.8spc mini.
The 308 was called the XGI
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I was an only child. So....
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Learn to like the sound. Kydex is actually kinder to the finish than leather is because dirt 'n shit has a tendency to build up in leather but not in kydex.
That sound is getting to be "a thing" in Hollywood. First it was tires squealing whenever a car peeled out, even on a dirt road. Then at some point every time anybody drew a knife or BFK (big fucking knife, AKA a sword) in a film or TV show, the foley artist had to add that forged steel 'ringing' sound. Then when Hollyweird got Glock-ophilia, whenever there was a autopistol gunfight, after the last shots were fired you had to hear the ringing of one or two spent casings striking the ground. So now they're doing that swishy-swipey sound that a kydex holster makes when you produce.
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I was reminded this morning that there is a down-side to that sound.
As I'm adjusting my clothing (and hardware) so I can take a dump in a public toilet without dropping my Roscoe to the floor, I find myself wondering, "What if the guy in the next stall recognizes that sound?"
It could make for a tense moment.
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See I don’t understand people complaining about that. I spread my legs so the waist of the pants are tight against the outside my knees. Pistol stays up and in a good position to be drawn if needed. And never touches the floor. Yuck.
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I carry IWB with the holster positioned so high on my hip that probably 75% of the weight of the gun is carried above the belt. So even with a good stiff gun belt (an Aker-brand), the holster won't stay upright enough to suit me. Especially when it comes ass-wiping time, because I shoot with my wiping hand, so a holstered gun dangling on a loosened belt would get further jostled around while I'm finishing up the paperwork.
I probably should note that I have very regular bowels so it's unusual that I find myself needing to squat when I'm not at home, else I might be incentivized to come up with a more comprehensive solution.
If I'd been thinking at the time (figure the odds!), I probably should have just coughed or cleared my throat as I produced.
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Aker are good belts. I like Hank's belts as well
https://www.hanksbelts.com/collectio...led-carry-belt
Have a friend that bought one of their reinforced belts and he loves it.
https://www.hanksbelts.com/collectio...rced-gun-belts
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For all of you hunters, I am going to recommend the same thing a MO judge ordered to a poacher.....
you need to watch the movie Bambi!! LOL
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I play it right before I pull the trigger. I’ve made many orphans in the woods.
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Very nice. I've owned about 8 glocks before but now I'm down to 4
Is that a jeep by any chance or what do you drive?
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So.. some changes coming soon hopefully
I have been looking around for another build or possibly a completely new platfrom
I have 5 ARs, three AKs and a bunch of surplus rifles/guns
So I'm looking for something new and not to sure right now but it might be a bullpup or one of these badboys. I also prefer the 9mm
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The price is a bit steep but I want a new toy so no matter the cost..
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Preference or choice
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I hate to inform this, I removed all the guns except my Glock 29 from the house
Just until the post partum passes...the g29 is in a safe only I know location.
Sad day for me.
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Family comes first anyway so once things are back to normal I'm sure you can have the guns back..
How many guns do you have anyway, sounds like an arsenal?
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17 exactly.
3 rifles and 14 handguns
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WOW, thats quite a collection hopefully you have one of those large safes bolted into the wall or something.. anyway hope its not to long you're away from the toys, I couldn't feel safe in a house without tons of guns you know
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What's your favorite IWB CC?
Ok, doesn't have to be IWB.....
Always looking for something new.
Considering the Sig P365 or similar but not even close to a decision.
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One of those large safe's caused a partial bicep tendon tear for me.
Moral of the story: Don't try and move one alone, dammit.
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yea i noticed that story in one of these threads, i still dont know what you're doing moving a safe by yourself but im guessing that safe holds over 15 long guns and is one of those costco type safes that weight 200-400lb so not a good idea to move those on your own without some help, i've moved three safes so far, one of my own and two of my brothers but those safes aren't the deluxe models anyway.
anyway you recover yet or is it a tendon tear off the bicep? so that means you're fucked??
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I like cheap old Uncle Mike's nylon with belt clip at 3 o'clock
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I like the N82 holsters. Simple but functional.
https://n82tactical.com/product-cate...ters-sig/p365/
I usually wear my Sig Ultra or Colt Officers ACP roughly above my right pocket on the back of my jeans or shorts. It retains well, but grasp the grip and give it a slight twist and it is ready to present and play.
If you're not used to wearing an IWB, it takes a tad of getting used to it when driving, seated, etc.
For OWB carry I really prefer the IMI level 2 retention holsters and the belt loop attachment over the paddle attachment.
https://www.imidefense.com/product/p...0-p220-combat/
Also, a good belt is a must. Hank's belts work well for me. I believe it is the 1-3/4" wide belt that fills up the belt loops on jeans and is very sturdy. They also have reinforced thinner belts for dressier occasions.
https://www.hanksbelts.com
I also bought one of their goatskin wallets that has help up remarkably well
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I'm resurrecting this old thread.. I'm strapped for some cash as of late (have a lot of shit going on, between business expenses, having 4 kids, and getting my oldest son into nursing school etc..). so I need to sell off some of my collection of both guns and ammo. see page 2 starting with post 77. most everything I have is new (I have a select 6 or so guns that I shoot the other 20 or so guns are just new and in the safe as collector items). also have lots of ammo in bulk or individual boxes.
I would only sell legally and only ship to FFL holder (not everything you see listed on page 2 is for sell .. I just need to sell a few things to pay off some bills).
through the years I've bought and sold probably 30-40 different guns online. so I know the process. I have an account with gun broker and an A+ rating.
I'm probably only going to consider dealing with guys that have been on the forums for awhile and know me.. if your post count is 2 , please don't bother
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The real ignorance of this is the belief that a kinder fate awaits the deer if some heartless hunter doesn't blast it with his evil assault rifle. Which is BULLSHIT.
There is no "old folks home" for deer. No hospital bed with clean sheets and a morphine drip. What awaits them is a certain prolonged and agonizing death.
Wild animals die almost exclusively from one of three causes: disease, privation or predation. Deer in particular never die from old age because their teeth wear out and they starve before they could live that long. They spend their entire life grinding nuts and cereal grains until finally their teeth are so worn they no longer can eat enough to sustain life. So they starve. Slowly.
Unless some obliging wolf or coyote comes along. We no longer have wolves where I live but we do have coyotes. Eastern coyotes won't generally fuck with a healthy deer, but they'll be on an old, sickly deer (or a fawn) like a duck on a junebug.
They start out by trying to bite it around the asshole. Because the other end of the deer has teeth -- if not antlers -- and the skin around the asshole is tenderer and easier to get a grip on (with their teeth). So they try to grab the deer by its asshole and pull. Until they get the lower intestine to literally pull out of its ass. Like it had shit a string of sausages.
There's no need for them to kill the deer because somewhere in the process it usually collapses from exhaustion and/or shock, but it's still quite alive while the coyotes gorge themselves on its intestines they've managed to dislodge. Last I looked there were videos of this happening on YouTube.
Nothing any deer has to look forward to (if nature takes its course) is any less cruel than a hunter's bullet. That's the part that Disney left out.
Further, hunters (and fishermen) are the only thing that prevents state-run wildlife management becoming a burden on the public. ALL state and federal wildlife preservation programs are paid for by fees paid voluntarily by hunters and fishermen. The game and fish agencies of several of the eastern states are restoring elk in places where they were eradicated more than a century ago. And there are more deer in general in the US than there were when Dan'l Boone and Col. David Crockett were alive. There are 500 times (500x) more whitetail in my home state than there were 75 years ago. And more waterfowl than the country has ever had before. Ever.
All paid for by hunters.
Why? Licensing of hunting (and using the proceeds for game management) and using the hunters themselves as unpaid agents of game management. Establishing game limits that serve to thin the herds to keep populations healthy (deer in particular are susceptible to "chronic wasting disease" -- which can decimate herds -- if they overpopulate) and to cull the animals that need to be removed from the gene pool.
How much do PETA, Earth First and the Sierra Club (collectively) pay into game management programs? Exactly $0.
Hunters pay every goddam red cent. Willingly. And provide the vast majority of the labor such a program requires, and at no charge. Without them, the burden on the general public to replicate their efforts would cost in the billion$. Per state.
Plus hunting has its own eco-system. My state figures that hunters contribute ~$10 million to local economies (and half a million to the state's tax coffers) annually by buying hunting and fishing gear and spending on gasoline, restaurants and lodging when they travel to hunt (or fish).
It's also a self-evident truth in Africa where the only countries that have thriving elephant herds also are the ones that license elephant hunting and reinvest the proceeds into elephant herd management. Because they're blessed with exotic big game animals but they're too strapped for cash to hire the manpower to prevent poachers from ravaging their herds for ivory.
Hunters pay $15,000-$25,000 dollars for a bull trophy fee in economies where $1000 will pay a game warden's salary for a year. And the state even controls exactly which elephant is to be killed, so it's always an animal that's past its prime or needs killing for the benefit of the rest of the herd. They're long past the days when considered trophy fees to be a windfall profit to be used refurbishing the president's love shack, so they oversold, to the detriment of the herd. Now they only sell to kill off the animals that make the rest vulnerable, and reinvest the proceeds in the preservation of the greater herd.
Not to mention some local village gets to feast on the animal's carcass for a month. No one wants to eat an animal that has died from "natural" causes for fear that whatever killed it might come for you next, but even that is presuming its carcass can be found and butchered before the carrion-eaters have had at it. The only thing that makes the time and place of the death of an animal predictable (thereby making the dead carcass a consumable commodity) is a licensed hunter.
We've had major declines in the US in the populations of dangerous game animals (primarily bears, big cats and wolves) but that's because of expanding populations (encroachment) and ranchers responding to predation (and financial losses) of their livestock. That's not the fault of hunting per se but hunting still provides the solution because allowing the licensed hunting of those animals monetizes them, which incentivizes the states to engage in their management.
So the wildlife population of YOUR state owes its health and robustness primarily to hunters, and it didn't cost you a single farthing. So don't lecture to me about killing deer unless and until you're doing as much to support their sustainability and general welfare as I am.
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I have quite a few gun blogs bookmarked (and which I browse somewhat regularly) and 2017 was a bad year for my list because the chief blogger at two of my favorites died. One was Mike Vanderboegh of the Sipsey Street Irregulars blog (the title of which is wink and a nod to A.C. Doyle's Baker Street Irregulars), who also was one of the founders of the III%er movement.
And the other was Kevin O'Brien, who was an 11-bang-bang who earned a Ranger tab and then a Green Beret, and was chief cook and bottle washer at (the now defunct) weaponsman-dot-com. Besides being a weapons expert (you only have to look at the list of firearms his estate was left to deal with as proof of that), he was an uncommonly good writer.
I never bothered to try to ferret out his identity before he died, and after I was surprised to learn that he had been an enlisted man (a master sergeant, if I'm not mistaken). The officer class is better educated in general, and service in the army tends to beat the Queens' English out of you to boot (in favor of something known as "green-speak"), so you come not to expect eloquence out of enlisteds. Yet he was.
It was so entertaining and informative, I rarely missed visiting his blog more than a day or two each week until he suffered a massive heart attack, which he never recovered from. And which left a hole in my daily surfing experience (his is still the top bookmark in my browser under the "Guns" heading).
Apparently Kevin's brother paid to keep the blog online for several months after his death, during which time I was considering "leeching" his entire website to preserve for my own use. When the grand old man of bicycling bloggers (Sheldon Brown) died, I leeched his entire site (just my luck, years later it's still online). But I missed my chance at Weapons Man. But fortunately for both of us, Loose Rounds now is hosting it at their site.
Kevin's interests were quite diverse and he was in the process of building a Van's kit plane (all-metal construction and one of the best engineered of the breed) when he died, so there's lots of stuff besides guns in there.
So you could do worse than to visit Weapons Man at its new home, just to check it out. At the very least your extra clicks will encourage Loose Rounds to continue hosting it.
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NICS Checks Reveal Americans’ Changing Gun Purchasing Preferences
There's lots of graphs and charts so you'll need to follow the link in the headline to see them all. A few salient points:
...Most people assume that each NICS check represents a firearm transfer. In the past, the overwhelming majority did indeed represent transfers. However, today, most NICS checks are done for license checks and re-checks.
For instance, did you know that Illinois has the most NICS checks of any state so far in 2019? More than even Texas. Far more.
Does that mean Land o’ Lincoln gun owners like me have bought more guns than our brothers and sisters in the Lone Star State? Oh, heck no. Illinois has so many NICS checks because the Illinois State Police just love to check and re-check Firearm Owner Identification cardholders along with concealed carry license holders. Over and over again......As you can see, Texas has run just shy of 700,000 firearms purchase checks, while Land of Lincoln residents have bought a mere 276,000 guns so far in 2019. And, as you can see, Illinois does ten times as many NICS rechecks on FOID and CCW holders as it does for new gun purchases.
Looking back in time, it’s interesting to look at the sea change in the buying patterns of gun owners. Polls show that two-thirds of self-admitted gun owners own one firearm for personal defense.
Almost twenty years ago, long guns outsold handguns by a 2:1 margin. ......Today, handgun sales rule the roost.
The sea change happened during Barack Obama’s presidency, in the history of the world ever. More and more Americans decided they wanted some ballistic capability for personal protection purposes, so they bought handguns. And a lot of them....
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Samsung proves the folly of so called ‘smart guns’
By Eric at the Gunmart Blog on October 17, 2019
Why cant we have thumbprint guns, they said. It would work just like my cell phone, they said. Noted gun expert and Silicone Valley consultant Joe Biden has pushed this on many occasions.
Well, Samsung just blew that entire argument out of the water, now didn’t they?“My cell phone – like yours -I just put my thumbprint on, and that is my access to everything. (…) Why can’t you do that for a gun?”
Headline: Samsung: Anyone’s thumbprint can unlock Galaxy S10 phone
DOH! Thats a big F-UP. Inconvenient if its a phone, tragic if its a ‘smart gun’.
I have talked about the many other shortcomings of this in the past if you want to read up on that. And if they go that route and mandate it, how long before we must close the ‘smart gun’ loophole? And also, Beware: ‘Smart guns’ will stand up to a SCOTUS test.The scanner sends ultrasounds to detect 3D ridges of fingerprints in order to recognise users.
Samsung said it was “aware of the case of S10’s malfunctioning fingerprint recognition and will soon issue a software patch”.
South Korea’s online-only KaKao Bank told customers to switch off the fingerprint-recognition option to log in to its services until the issue was fixed.
Previous reports suggested some screen protectors were incompatible with Samsung’s reader because they left a small air gap that interfered with the scanning.
But alas… finger print technology is soon to be a thing of the past. Facial recognition is where its at, so next up…
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The counter to all these proponents of smart guns needs to focus on the fact that they are nothing but machined metal.
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Your own 9mm Gatling gun ... for a mere $5000.
I think these just went on sale this past summer. You'd be hard pressed to find any transferable full-auto weapon for that little but a Gatling by the BATF definition isn't full-auto so long as it's only hand cranked (different story if you put an electric motor on it).
A great way to turn money into noise.
During that long lull between wars following Vietnam, I did a stint with the 3/5 Air Cavalry at Ft Lewis, Wa. They had a large advertisement poster for Bianchi leather in their squadron ready room featuring a bunch of guys in 19th Century cavalry garb and holding all manner of period firearms standing around a Gatling gun. One day I noticed that two of the guys in the poster were warrant officer pilots with the 3/5. Come to find out there also was a third, I just didn't recognize him because of the chin whiskers he was sporting in the photo.
When I asked about it they told me those three were hard-core cavalry re-enactors. Which makes sense because even Air Cav pukes are big on the lore and heraldry of the Cav, tracing back to the old west (Garry Owen, Fiddler's Green and all that rot), they just had found themselves a better horse: the helicopter.
Those three had become friends with John Bianchi because he often needed their services when he was doing ad campaigns for old west style leather goods. They already had their own period-correct (and age-worn) wardrobe and even kept horses. So they were one-stop shopping if you wanted to hire men for models in advertisements of post-War Between the States firearms kit.
I asked about the Gatling gun and they said it was authentic, a former US Army piece chambered in .45-70. Bianchi was renting it for the occasion from a Hollyweird props department. I ended up flying quite a bit with one of those three guys and he told me that Bianchi had to put down a $50,000 deposit on it. When he and the other two stooges found this out, they decided that 50K was a bargain so they had seriously deliberated pooling their resources to pay John the $50,000 and 'stealing' the gun for themselves.
So, yeah, $5000 is a real steal.
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Do sealed primers make a difference?
To cut to the chase, in their tests, one of which included a 30-day submersion in oil and a 30-day submersion in water in another, no, it did not. Un-sealed primers were just as reliable a source of ignition, and ignited with the same brisance (if MV is any indicator).
If you weren't aware, treating the inside of primers with oil has been found an effective means of 'deactivating' them, which I suspect is why they didn't just test for submersion in water. Not because they think there might be an oil leak in your house.
I have never lacquered my primers anyway because I don't expect anything I load to sit on a shelf that long. But if I were loading for a TEOTWAWKI stockpile, I'd probably lacquer them anyway because if your life might have to depend on them after they've been buried for 30 years, you can't be too careful.
[Guys, if you think what I'm posting isn't in within the original spirit of the "Guns and Ammo" thread, just say so and I'll go back to posting all these articles individually]
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Item #1:
National Hearing Conservation Association Supports Suppressors
...Noise-induced hearing loss (NIHL) is a significant health problem among U.S. adults and children. Further, NIHL and tinnitus (ringing in the ears) resulting from firearm noise exposure are considerable public health concerns negatively impact the quality of life for individuals and their families in many ways: financial, social, and occupational.
The NHCA also points out that traditional hearing protectors often fail to provide adequate protection from noise associated with firearms.
Persons wearing conventional hearing protection are not without risk of NIHL when using firearms. The noise reduction of hearing protection devices varies considerably across users and may provide significantly less protection from noise than the labeled noise reduction rating (NRR) suggests. The National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) has recommended the NRR of conventional hearing protection be derated by 25% for earmuffs, 50% for formable earplugs, and 70% for all other earplugs to correspond to existing real-world data. NIOSH research has demonstrated that as many as 50% of persons using earplugs fail to achieve 25 dB of noise reduction for their earplugs. However, using conventional hearing protection in conjunction with a suppressor can significantly reduce the risk of NIHL more than using either device alone....
Item #2:
TFB Review: IWI Tavor TS12 Shotgun
From the same folks that make the Galil, a magazine-fed 12-ga. bullpup, 18.5" bbl, 28" overall (~same as Mossy Cruiser), holds 15 rounds in three internal 'rotating' tubular magazines. Weighs 10.4 lbs fully loaded with 3" 00s. 2-position gas regulator adjusts for kick from slugs, etc. MSRP $1400.
I got no use for a bullpup rifle (funny how having an M4 explode on you makes you sensitive to having a rifle's exploding bits close to your face) but shotguns run significantly less chamber pressure, so I could warm to the idea.
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I am waiting for the full auto belt fed.
True love waits.
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Dropping Live Ammunition CAN Lead To Detonation
For those that have been wondering about the potential dangers of dropping live ammunition, we have a well documented example for you. The Family Shooting Academy had a recent incident in which a customer dropped a box of ammo. Upon hitting the floor, there was a loud bang and the box flew apart. Despite several people standing nearby, no one was injured.
Since the cartridge was not contained within the firearm’s chamber, the explosion targets the weaker, lighter casing. Typically, since the bullet is the heaviest component of the cartridge it doesn’t go far. In this incident, the casing ended up looking more like an expanded hollow point than the bullet. The owner of the shop explained that the customer had several loose rounds of ammo inside the factory ammo box, however, it was not a new factory box and there was no plastic sleeve inside the box. In the photo below, we can see the indentation made on the exploded cartridge. It appears that the rim of another cartridge struck the primer of the one that detonated.
The video below was posted on the Family Shooting Academy’s YouTube channel. The video was caught by surveillance footage and shows the event unfold in just a few seconds. The customer had grabbed his gun case and ammo off of a table when the box slipped out of his hand. The pesky thing we call gravity (which is usually a good thing), assisted the falling live ammunition to find its unintended target. All joking aside, the video clearly shows the customer felt horrible about the accident and none of my light-hearted tones should be taken as making fun of the customer.
The store’s owner said that he’s seen a LOT of dropped boxes of ammo and has never seen this happen. Thanks to the Family Shooting Academy for letting us share this rare but cautionary tale with great documentation. Have any of you had a similar experience with dropping live ammunition? Stay safe out there and protect those primers!
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Never have had that happen. When flipping primers while reloading, I accidentally dropped a couple. I leaned forward to look down and my chair rolled slightly backwards and crushed one of them (on a concrete floor). Primer never even popped.
The incident is actually kind of scary when I think about how many times we loaded mags from a bulk bin during BRM.
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Demolition Ranch's take on it.
If you aren't watching his stuff, you should be. He's wicked smart and very funny. The intro to this one gives you a hint of both.
I find the title (Dropping Live Ammunition CAN Lead To Detonation) a bit annoying because they original way to test that primer sensitivity was in the right ballpark was to drop a steel ball on it. If it detonated when the ball was dropped too little distance, it failed for being over-sensitive. Dropped too far and it failed for being under-sensitive.
Dropping the round instead of the steel ball is exactly the same test in reverse. All it takes is long enough of a drop and (since primers are supposed to be seated recessed 0.003"-0.005") contact with an object capable of entering the recess and stoving in the primer cup and you've replicated the conditions that are supposed to make it go off.
The nimrod in the video happened to have replicated the test by butterfingering a box with a bunch of loose rounds in it, which gave him all the components required for the primer sensitivity test in one tidy package, and the law of averages caught up with him.
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Survey says firearms deer hunting leads to less violence
...Niekamp determined there are roughly 12 percent fewer violent crimes on the first two days of firearm season than otherwise in rural areas.
At the same time, the study also found that alcohol-related arrests of juvenile males fall by 22 percent and narcotic offenses fall by 15 percent at the start of hunting season. That, he said, suggests firearm hunting may have “positive effects on behavior.”
“The results of this paper provide strong evidence that enormous increases in recreational long gun prevalence are not associated with any increase in violent crime,” he said. “In the least populous areas, where long gun prevalence increased 530 percent, estimates suggest that male violent crime actually decreased.” ..
...Possible reasons
Overall, Niekamp advanced three possible reasons for why crime goes down when hunting participation goes up.
First, hunting is a time-consuming activity that is inherently incapacitating, which may decrease crime.
“Various sources of deer hunter data suggest that hunters spend upwards of six hours per day in the field, with additional time spent processing harvested deer. Males may be too preoccupied to use their guns nefarious purposes,” he said.
Second, hunters may face more regulation than other gun owners.
Previous surveys revealed that only 61 percent of firearms owners got any instruction in how to use their gun, Niekamp said. By comparison, all hunters undergo hunter education training.
Hunters have to buy licenses, too, something that requires entering their name into a state database. People who came by guns illegally aren’t likely to submit to that, he said.
All that may “improve firearm etiquette and discourage high-risk individuals from hunting,” Niekamp said.
And third, rural Americans own different guns for different reasons than the population average. Rural Americans, Niekamp said, are twice as likely as urban Americans to own a firearm. But they are also more likely to own long guns used for hunting, protection from animals and sporting use.
And there may be more.
“Another reason that hunters may be a low-risk sample is that patient individuals may select into deer hunting,” Niekamp said. “Deer hunting is often characterized as an activity in which an individual sits in a tree stand for hours on end, waiting for a deer to walk by. It is possible that only patient individuals are willing to participate in this gun-related recreational activity.”
There’s also some truth, it seems to those bumper stickers reading like “hunt with your kids, not for them.”
Niekamp said in rural areas, additional recreational opportunities like hunting may assist in keeping juveniles out of trouble.
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