You'll want to read this!

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie, here are a few questions regarding my above cycle...

Should i do a third reload phase? Or is that too long? if you are competing or dont want kids then keep going with the 3rd reload.
Are my dosages ok for hcg as pct?increase hcg to 1500 eod for 2 weeks
i have decided to replace deca with eq at 400/wk...good idea? no..eq is too weak imo.. Test/drol and test/d-bol is plenty strong at this point. Adding some tren or deca would be your next option

thank you, you have been extremely helpful, i understand your busy and recovering. When you get around to my questions i will greatly appreciate it!

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[slimshady01]

Ronnie .

What do you think about this post from Swifto recently made in regards to AI use?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n-cycle-Swifto


I know your against the use of an AI if you are not gyno prone since one can lose sex drive, hurt joints etc if it gets to low.

But what if for example you have bloodwork done on cycle and your estrogen is 250 with a range of 20-50. Now you get on a small dose of Aromasin or 12.5mg a day and it goes to 70.

The 70 is still higher then normal and would not cause any sexual issues nor would it joint issues but its much better then being 4x the high normal.

Thats kinda my story with bloodwork so i use that for an example.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie .

What do you think about this post from Swifto recently made in regards to AI use?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n-cycle-Swifto


I know your against the use of an AI if you are not gyno prone since one can lose sex drive, hurt joints etc if it gets to low.

But what if for example you have bloodwork done on cycle and your estrogen is 250 with a range of 20-50. Now you get on a small dose of Aromasin or 12.5mg a day and it goes to 70.

The 70 is still higher then normal and would not cause any sexual issues nor would it joint issues but its much better then being 4x the high normal.

Thats kinda my story with bloodwork so i use that for an example.

First off all I want to say that Swifto is a highly intelligent guy and a friend of mine. Secondly, I am not against the use of anti-es per se but I am of the opinion there is a lot of abuse going on regarding these drugs. Most stemming from newbies out of fear they are going to grow man boobs or veterans who are now set in their ways . I think it's a mistake to take another drug to try and counteract the side effects of another drug unless it's absolute neccessary. The more drugs you take the more side effects you are going to have, the more money you are going to spend and you increase the risk of having health issues later on down the road, particular a drug that is designed to fight cancer. Anti-es were designed for women with breast cancer not for bodybuilders whose estrogen levels rise while on a cycle and some of these cheap liquid anti-es being sold are bogus. Yes, anti-es helps prevent gyno to those who are prone and some people need this very potent drug. However, I do not believe it's an increase in estrogen that causes health problems when taking aromatizing steroids but rather an imbalance between the two hormones testosterone and estrogen. When test levels rise so does estrogen levels and that's okay in my book. It's when estrogen levels get so high they become out of balance with testosterone levels that can bring about issues for some.

There are people that do better using lesser amounts of aromatizing steroids and higher amounts of non-aromatizing steroids. For example, 500 mgs of test may be all they can handle to prevent estrogen levels from becoming out of control and causing gyno without using anti-es. In these particular cases, I would recommend not going over 500 mgs of test to prevent taking a potentially harmful drug (anti-estrogens) unless you were a top level competitor. Too much estogen in relation to test levels is not good for ones health but neither is taking anti-es at any dose so basically some are in a no win situation in term of side effects from either having too high of estrogen or having to take anti-es!!!

I don't think anyone, including myself has the final say on this controversial topic but I can tell you from experience that I have never had gyno and that even smaller dosages of anti-es make me feel depressed, give me headaches, decreases my libido, make me feel lethargic, cause irritability, increase my joint pain to the point I can barely train some days and trust worthy pharm grade anti-es cost a fortune! So, I think it's a personal decision everyone must make on their own.

[bernimx]

First off all I want to say that Swifto is a highly intelligent guy and a friend of mine. Secondly, I am not against the use of anti-es per se but I am of the opinion there is a lot of abuse going on regarding these drugs. Most stemming from newbies out of fear they are going to grow man boobs or veterans who are now set in their ways . I think it's a mistake to take another drug to try and counteract the side effects of another drug unless it's absolute neccessary. The more drugs you take the more side effects you are going to have, the more money you are going to spend and you increase the risk of having health issues later on down the road, particular a drug that is designed to fight cancer. Anti-es were designed for women with breast cancer not for bodybuilders whose estrogen levels rise while on a cycle and some of these cheap liquid anti-es being sold are bogus. Yes, anti-es helps prevent gyno to those who are prone and some people need this very potent drug. However, I do not believe it's an increase in estrogen that causes health problems when taking aromatizing steroids but rather an imbalance between the two hormones testosterone and estrogen. When test levels rise so does estrogen levels and that's okay in my book. It's when estrogen levels get so high they become out of balance with testosterone levels that can bring about issues for some.

There are people that do better using lesser amounts of aromatizing steroids and higher amounts of non-aromatizing steroids. For example, 500 mgs of test may be all they can handle to prevent estrogen levels from becoming out of control and causing gyno without using anti-es. In these particular case, I would receommend not going over 500 mgs of test to prevent taking a potentially harmful drug (anti-estrogens) unless you were a top level competitor. Too much estogen in relation to test levels is not good for ones health but neither is taking anti-es at any dose so basically some are in a no win situation in term of side effects from either having too high of estrogen or having to take anti-es!!!

I don't think anyone, including myself has the final say on this controversial topic but I can tell you from experience that I have never had gyno and that even smaller dosages of anti-es make me feel depressed, give me headaches, decreases my libido, make me feel lethargic, cause irritability, increase my joint pain to the point I can barely train some days and trust worthy pharm grade anti-es cost a fortune! So, I think it's a personal decision everyone must make on their own.

Hey Ronnie,

1- For people prone to high aromatisation like me, would we be better off sticking to dry compounds (some that come to mind are tren, t-bol, mast, anavar, primo, maybe EQ)? I mean is there a use in using high test with dbol? I would have to use a pretty good AI dose to try and combat estrogen which would probably cut out some gains associated with these ''watery'' compounds right?

Thanks!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie,

1- For people prone to high aromatisation like me, would we be better off sticking to dry compounds (some that come to mind are tren, t-bol, mast, anavar, primo, maybe EQ)? I mean is there a use in using high test with dbol? You can get by without test and d-bol. I would have to use a pretty good AI dose to try and combat estrogen which would probably cut out some gains associated with these ''watery'' compounds right?Correct. Some estrogen is needed to make maximal gains but if you are not competing then you can easily avoid them. I would keep masteron and/or proviron in each cycle to maintain libido

Thanks!

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[ricky23]

thanks for the reply ronnie, 18 months is a long time will you able to go heavy on other bodyparts? but the benefits of having the op done outweigh the negatives and hopefully you recover quicker.
yeah slin and gh comlpement each other well, in your view would the combo of the two and aas at moderate doses work better than slin and aas at higher doses?
i.e 2g test, 10ius slin/gh x3 week or 2g test 600mg tren and 20ius slin x3 week
i know must be difficult to give an answer (probably abit of a silly question as it would be hard to tell!)as both are good options but i think test/gh/slin might be more beneficial in the short and long term but im not sure, both would work out roughly the same money wise i think. would be nice not get tren sweats for a change!

[Ronnie Rowland]

thanks for the reply ronnie, 18 months is a long time will you able to go heavy on other bodyparts? actually, i can go heavy in two more weeks but will wait another 2 weeks to do so and wil take even more time with legs. It's the nerves, not the fusion and muscles that take up to 18 montns to regenerate. obut the benefits of having the op done outweigh the negatives and hopefully you recover quicker. i'm bouncing back fast!yeah slin and gh comlpement each other well, in your view would the combo of the two and aas at moderate doses work better than slin and aas at higher doses? yes because legit pharm grade gh like marcus300 speaks of will helps keep body fat levels down while bulking and causes hyperplasia.i.e 2g test, 10ius slin/gh x3 week or 2g test 600mg tren and 20ius slin x3 week
i know must be difficult to give an answer (probably abit of a silly question as it would be hard to tell!)as both are good options but i think test/gh/slin might be more beneficial in the short and long term but im not sure, both would work out roughly the same money wise i think. Would be nice not get tren sweats for a change! you need to run slin and gh daily and for maximum results an oral steroid like d-bol should be added to the test.

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[hellarockstar]

Love the post! Thanks Ronnie!

[sircurl]

Ronnie, currently on my first course- 750mg test e 10 weeks, 40mg dbol 4 weeks. Currently been on 5 weeks. Have no sides atall: no acne, minimal testicular atrophy, not much change in mood, although the dbol suppressed my appetite a fair bit. Is this normal? Does this mean this is a perfect dose, or not enough? It's legit stuff, I can tell by the huge strength increases and increased size/vasculairty, just kind of 'expected' all the stuff you see online happen to me.

I'm planning on doing a cruise for 4-5 weeks when this course is over, with maybe 200mg test e/c a week, and will be doing another 'blast' after that. I was thinking about adding in another compound, and maybe ditching dbol because of the above reason. I can get hold of Tren A/Deca/Equipose/NPP, thinking of either test e/eq, test p/npp, or test p/tren a. Which of these would u suggest, and at what dose? Thanks in advance.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, currently on my first course- 750mg test e 10 weeks, 40mg dbol 4 weeks. Currently been on 5 weeks. Have no sides atall: no acne, minimal testicular atrophy, not much change in mood, although the dbol suppressed my appetite a fair bit. Is this normal? D-bol can cause several things such as a loss in libido, appetite and energy. Does this mean this is a perfect dose, or not enough? It means you are getting along well with that particular drug combo and should use it as a staple for building size but nothing more or nothing less. It's legit stuff, I can tell by the huge strength increases and increased size/vasculairty, just kind of 'expected' all the stuff you see online happen to me. Everyone reacts differently. For example, some get gyno and some do not!

I'm planning on doing a cruise for 4-5 weeks when this course is over, with maybe 200mg test e/c a week, and will be doing another 'blast' after that. I was thinking about adding in another compound, and maybe ditching dbol because of the above reason. I can get hold of Tren A/Deca/Equipose/NPP, thinking of either test e/eq, test p/npp, or test p/tren a. Which of these would u suggest, and at what dose? Test at 1 gram and tren at 400 mgs weekly should suffice. Thanks in advance.

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[BryanS1987]

When you say on the reload use more Anabolics, Protien and Training if this is the method your advising for greater gains etc is there a limit to how much Anabolics you should take every time you stop start this method if your advising to use more There must be some sort of limit to how much your body can take. Also Do you need to up your Anabolics intake on the next cycle to gain more, What i mean is if you where to train without the use of Anabolics and go natural you lift more weight as your muscles and strength grow, So what im getting to is.. If you can gain muscle and strength naturaly why would you need to keep adding more anabolics. If i take what i had taken on my first cycle would my body not continue to grow as i build up strength and the aid of the Anabolics/Supplements etc like you would if you trained without the aid of Anabolics?

P.s Im still learning so be easy on me lol.

[Ronnie Rowland]

When you say on the reload use more Anabolics, Protien and Training if this is the method your advising for greater gains etc is there a limit to how much Anabolics you should take every time you stop start this method if your advising to use more There must be some sort of limit to how much your body can take. It varies because some have more muscle receptors than others but usually anything over 2 grams a test is a waste IMO. As far as other anabolics are concerned it also varies but I would say anything over around 100 mgs of d-bol daily is waste and more than around 1 gram of tren per week is a waste. Also Do you need to up your Anabolics intake on the next cycle to gain more, What i mean is if you where to train without the use of Anabolics and go natural you lift more weight as your muscles and strength grow, So what im getting to is.. If you can gain muscle and strength naturaly why would you need to keep adding more anabolics. If i take what i had taken on my first cycle would my body not continue to grow as i build up strength and the aid of the Anabolics/Supplements etc like you would if you trained without the aid of Anabolics? Yes up to a point but then you will reach a point of diminishing returns when using the same dosage of steroids when it comes to size/strength gains. After a while you must take more to get bigger because your body eventually adapts to the dosages being used. Then when you plateau by reloading and deloading with higher dosages you'll need to come off and go on HRT dosages for about 6 weeks then come back and try to make more gains. Genetics play a huge role in how your body uptakes anabolics. Those born with the most muscle fibers have more receptor sites-hence they are able to gain more benefit by taking steroids. Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler are prime examples. 99% of the population could follow their exact same diet, workout program, and anabolic usage and still never even come close to looking like them. They have veins that look like a garden hose in some areas of their body. That's something your born with as well! P.s Im still learning so be easy on me lol.

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[rockstah69]

Ron, I am 36 years old and have low Test, been on Test Cyp of 100mg/wk for a few months now and have made significant gains, feeling good too. I was recommended by a pro BB to do a blast and cruise. I began my first blast of Test Cyp this week which I will run for 6 weeks and then deload another 6 weeks but you state only 2 weeks. However, during the deload 6 weeks I will cruise at 100mg, will that still cause a downgrade in my receptors?

Also Ronnie, get well soon and God Bless You Brother!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron, I am 36 years old and have low Test, been on Test Cyp of 100mg/wk for a few months now and have made significant gains, feeling good too. I was recommended by a pro BB to do a blast and cruise. I began my first blast of Test Cyp this week which I will run for 6 weeks and then deload another 6 weeks but you state only 2 weeks. However, during the deload 6 weeks I will cruise at 100mg, will that still cause a downgrade in my receptors? yes it will give your receptors a break but you will lose some size doing it that way and produce more of a yo-yo effect with your system as a whole by taking off so much time and shocking your system with (time off/equals time on) is never a good thing IMO. Pro bodybuilders do not cycle this way!
Also Ronnie, get well soon and God Bless You Brother!

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[djdizzy]

Ron, just wanted to post the results I've had using your slingshot training method. testing done by a body fat dunk tank

When I started:

8/6/2011
Weight: 206.25
Lean Lbs. 176.8
Fat Lbs 29.5
Body Fat % 14.3

now 3 reloads later:
3/3/2012
Weight: 226.25
Lean Lbs. 198.55
Fat Lbs 27.75
Body Fat % 12.2

I put on 20 lean pounds while keeping my fat in check. My next reload I will start a cut to hopefully get down to 8% BF for summer while maintaning my gains.

Thanks again! This system works!

[FONZY007]

Ron, just wanted to post the results I've had using your slingshot training method. testing done by a body fat dunk tank

When I started:

8/6/2011
Weight: 206.25
Lean Lbs. 176.8
Fat Lbs 29.5
Body Fat % 14.3

now 3 reloads later:
3/3/2012
Weight: 226.25
Lean Lbs. 198.55
Fat Lbs 27.75
Body Fat % 12.2

I put on 20 lean pounds while keeping my fat in check. My next reload I will start a cut to hopefully get down to 8% BF for summer while maintaning my gains.

Thanks again! This system works!

Good job bro, what are you using? 8 weeks on 2 weeks off?

[djdizzy]

Good job bro, what are you using? 8 weeks on 2 weeks off?

Ya, 8 week reloads, 2 week deloads

1st reload 500mg test, 400mg Deca, 50mg Proviron
2nd reload 750 test, 500 Deca, 50mg Proviron
3rd reload 1g test, 600 Deca, 50mg Proviron

all deloads were 250mg test and 50mg Proviron

Start 4th reload next week doing a cut with
500mg test, 200mg Tren, 150mg Deca, 50mg Winny, 50 mg Proviron

Will do another body fat test come summer time and post the results again. Loving the slingshot training!

[FONZY007]

Ya, 8 week reloads, 2 week deloads

1st reload 500mg test, 400mg Deca, 50mg Proviron
2nd reload 750 test, 500 Deca, 50mg Proviron
3rd reload 1g test, 600 Deca, 50mg Proviron

all deloads were 250mg test and 50mg Proviron

Start 4th reload next week doing a cut with
500mg test, 200mg Tren, 150mg Deca, 50mg Winny, 50 mg Proviron

Will do another body fat test come summer time and post the results again. Loving the slingshot training!

Are you having any acne or sides? Going that high, I was thinking of doing the same with test and a low dose of deca for the joints

But I was going to do 400 test ew 8 weeks than deload for 2 weeks, do you need to run test at a low dose or stop all together
Than jump to 600 test ew with some masteron and be done lol

[djdizzy]

Are you having any acne or sides? Going that high, I was thinking of doing the same with test and a low dose of deca for the joints

But I was going to do 400 test ew 8 weeks than deload for 2 weeks, do you need to run test at a low dose or stop all together
Than jump to 600 test ew with some masteron and be done lol

No problems with acne other than when first starting up the cycle, which is normal for me, and then I added some HCG into the 3rd reload and broke out for a little bit from that. Thankfully I have no problems running test or deca at those doses.

During deloads test is run lower, usually at 250mg per week. Post up your cycle for Ronnie to take a look at and he'll point you in the right direction. With his guidance and the slingshot system I am very happy with the progress I've made so far!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron, just wanted to post the results I've had using your slingshot training method. testing done by a body fat dunk tank

When I started:

8/6/2011
Weight: 206.25
Lean Lbs. 176.8
Fat Lbs 29.5
Body Fat % 14.3

now 3 reloads later:
3/3/2012
Weight: 226.25
Lean Lbs. 198.55
Fat Lbs 27.75
Body Fat % 12.2

I put on 20 lean pounds while keeping my fat in check. My next reload I will start a cut to hopefully get down to 8% BF for summer while maintaning my gains.

Thanks again! This system works!

VERY IMPRESSIVE djdizzy!

[darkcrayz]

Hey Ronnie.

I hope the rehab is going good for your back.

I really like taking Havoc/Hdrol. I feel when I run those my shoulders and arms put some size on. I find when I run test/tren I put some size on, its slower and i get stronger. When I run Havoc/Hdrol the size comes quicker and less strength. More anabolic vs androgenic?

Do you have a recommendation for an injectable steroid that will give me more size gains over strength?

Thanks for all your help.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

good to hear your recovery is going as well as mine did ronnie... post lumbar fusion....dr david mccords surgical ability....n ..your rehab advice is the bomb!! you guys are awesome brother!!!

ronnie...how can the upper chest be worked with pullovers???

[Ronnie Rowland]

good to hear your recovery is going as well as mine did ronnie... post lumbar fusion....dr david mccords surgical ability....n ..your rehab advice is the bomb!! you guys are awesome brother!!!

ronnie...how can the upper chest be worked with pullovers???

I am glad to hear you are doing well from your back surgery with Dr.David Mccord. I truly feel hes the best orthopaedic back surgeon in the world and that's why I reffered you to him. . I'll be glad when my nerves get through regenerating. It will probably take me 2 years to recover but mine was much more serious than your 2 level fusion.

You work the upper pecs best by performing pullovers on a slight incline bench. It's just the opposite of hitting the lats which are best stimulates on a slight decline bench.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie.

I hope the rehab is going good for your back.

I really like taking Havoc/Hdrol. I feel when I run those my shoulders and arms put some size on. I find when I run test/tren I put some size on, its slower and i get stronger. When I run Havoc/Hdrol the size comes quicker and less strength. More anabolic vs androgenic? yes

Do you have a recommendation for an injectable steroid that will give me more size gains over strength? large dosages of test, deca and/or tren.

Thanks for all your help.

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[darkcrayz]

Originally Posted by darkcrayz
Hey Ronnie.

I hope the rehab is going good for your back.

I really like taking Havoc/Hdrol. I feel when I run those my shoulders and arms put some size on. I find when I run test /tren I put some size on, its slower and i get stronger. When I run Havoc/Hdrol the size comes quicker and less strength. More anabolic vs androgenic? yes

Do you have a recommendation for an injectable steroid that will give me more size gains over strength? large dosages of test, deca and/or tren.

Thanks for all your help.

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Perfect man. Thanks for the answer.

My next cycle is going to be 8 weeks:

600mg test prop/week
600mg tren a/week

after that I am gonna do a two week deload and then 8 weeks of:

600mg test prop/week
600mg deca/week

are those doses large enough?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Perfect man. Thanks for the answer.

My next cycle is going to be 8 weeks:

600mg test prop/week
600mg tren a/week

after that I am gonna do a two week deload and then 8 weeks of:

600mg test prop/week
600mg deca/week

are those doses large enough? I would add in 300 mgs of masteron per week for second reload to keep sex drive higher and make even more gains but what you have laid out with work. Some carbergoline may be in order after running tren and deca back to back. .

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[darkcrayz]

above

referring to post 3835. Thanks man; that is awesome, ill pick some up.

i am gyno prone so i run prami/letro to combat estrogen sides as needed.

thanks for all your help.

[kelevra]

Glad to see ya back Ron

[Ronnie Rowland]

Glad to see ya back Ron

Thank you kelevra!

[layerofblock]

Hi Ronnie,
I would like to start out by saying that the knowledge you possess and share with with others is very refreshing. I have been lifting since I seen my first Steve Reeves movie at 10 years old. I am now a Grandfather and have been lifting with my grandson since he was in 7th grade. He is now in 10th grade and just turned 16. He loves to lift and play football. I have him on a STS 4 day split. He wants to keep his Bench, Squat and Deadlift progressing due to him being tested in these lifts for football, plus he just likes to lift heavy. He also wants to bodybuild. This makes it a little tricky but this is what I've been doing. Mondays - Chest 6 sets, Back 6 sets, Delts 4/6 sets, Triceps 4/6 sets, Biceps 4/6 sets.
Bench press would be heavy - 4x5 reps working down to 3x2 reps in an 8 week period.

Fridays - would be the same as Mondays except that for benches it would be 1x10/15.
Then 5 sets of other assistence lifts like Inclines and flyes.

Wednesday - wk 1 - Deadlifts 3x5 Saturday - wk 1 - Squats 4x6
2 - Deadlifts 3x5 2 - " 4x5
3 - Deadlifts 3x3 3- " 4x4
4 - Squats 3x10 4 - " 3x3
5 - Deadlifts 3x3 5 - No Squats
6 - Deadlifts 3x2 6 - Squats 3x3
7 - Squats 3x10 7 - " 3x2
8 - Deadlifts 3x2 8 - " 3x2

Now Wednesdays after Deadlifts he likes to still do Squats in the 8/10 rep range for a couple of sets. I try to keep him from doing no more than 6 sets total for legs after Deadlifts. Week 4 and 7 could change depending on how his Deadlifts look but basically thats it. Saturdays are mostly for Squating heavy. There again taking a break for one week and just doing leg presses and lunges no more than 6 sets total. My question here is if you think this is to much or not enough? Do you have any ideas that could help? He is the type of kid that likes to keep pushing and sometimes I have to slow him down always thinking of injurys. He weighs 195, Benches 300, Squats 425 and Deadlifts 525. We are presently on a deload.

PS - I don't like box squats for his age. What is your opinion. The football team sure likes them. I just don't think they much better than regular Squats and the chance for injury I think is greater.
Also I would like to throw Power Cleans in there somewere, I just don't know where to put them. What do you think?

Thank you.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie,
I would like to start out by saying that the knowledge you possess and share with with others is very refreshing. I have been lifting since I seen my first Steve Reeves movie at 10 years old. I am now a Grandfather and have been lifting with my grandson since he was in 7th grade. He is now in 10th grade and just turned 16. He loves to lift and play football. I have him on a STS 4 day split. He wants to keep his Bench, Squat and Deadlift progressing due to him being tested in these lifts for football, plus he just likes to lift heavy. He also wants to bodybuild. This makes it a little tricky but this is what I've been doing. Mondays - Chest 6 sets, Back 6 sets, Delts 4/6 sets, Triceps 4/6 sets, Biceps 4/6 sets.
Bench press would be heavy - 4x5 reps working down to 3x2 reps in an 8 week period.

Fridays - would be the same as Mondays except that for benches it would be 1x10/15.
Then 5 sets of other assistence lifts like Inclines and flyes.

Wednesday - wk 1 - Deadlifts 3x5 Saturday - wk 1 - Squats 4x6
2 - Deadlifts 3x5 2 - " 4x5
3 - Deadlifts 3x3 3- " 4x4
4 - Squats 3x10 4 - " 3x3
5 - Deadlifts 3x3 5 - No Squats
6 - Deadlifts 3x2 6 - Squats 3x3
7 - Squats 3x10 7 - " 3x2
8 - Deadlifts 3x2 8 - " 3x2

Now Wednesdays after Deadlifts he likes to still do Squats in the 8/10 rep range for a couple of sets. I try to keep him from doing no more than 6 sets total for legs after Deadlifts. Week 4 and 7 could change depending on how his Deadlifts look but basically thats it. Saturdays are mostly for Squating heavy. There again taking a break for one week and just doing leg presses and lunges no more than 6 sets total. My question here is if you think this is to much or not enough? Do you have any ideas that could help? He is the type of kid that likes to keep pushing and sometimes I have to slow him down always thinking of injurys. He weighs 195, Benches 300, Squats 425 and Deadlifts 525. We are presently on a deload.

PS - I don't like box squats for his age. What is your opinion. The football team sure likes them. I just don't think they much better than regular Squats and the chance for injury I think is greater.
Also I would like to throw Power Cleans in there somewere, I just don't know where to put them. What do you think?

Thank you.
I would have him do a modified version of the 531 program by changing it to an 853 program. Also ancillary exercises are like biceps, triceps, lateral raises, cable flyes,leg curls,. Set it up and I'll critique it for you! Keep those reps 8-15 at all times with ancillaries or he will have a good chance of developing tendon issues later on down the road and he won't make as much muscle gains.

The 531 program would be a bit too hard on his joints at age 16 but if we increase those reps will help keep him from becoming injured, increase both muscle size and strength for football.


8/5/3 Powerlifting System


Below is how I would change Jim Wendler’s 5/3/1 lifting program.

Workouts. There are 4 primary workouts 8/5/3 program:
◦Workout A. Squat, and assistance work
◦Workout B. Bench Press, and assistance work
◦Workout C. Deadlift, and assistance work
◦Workout D. Overhead press, and assistance work

Routine. You lift three times per week, using the following pattern over 5 weeks to complete a full cycle of 16 total workouts.
◦Week 1. ABC
◦Week 2. DAB
◦Week 3. CDA
◦Week 4. BCD
◦Week 5. ABC
◦Week 6. D

Waves. Each workout is performed 4 times over the course of this cycle, using the following 4 wave structure:
◦Wave 1. Warmup, 75% x 8, 80% x 8, 85% x 8
◦Wave 2. Warmup, 80% x 5, 85% x 5, 90% x 5
◦Wave 3. Warmup, 75% x 3, 85% x 3, 95% x 3
◦Wave 4. (deload) – 60% x 8, 65% x 8, 70% x 8

Subtract 10% from your 3 rep maximum when calculating percentages for the 8/5/3/. Also, when performing the last final heavy set (3 rep sets), you can have him go to failure or right at it to truly test your strength.

This is not a complete detailed overview of the system. For more information on Wendler’s 5/3/1, please visit the following links.Just make sure and have him do 853 and not 531 for power building which is what hes looking for. For football you don't want bodybuilding or power lifting per se.
Training Three Days a Week by Jim Wendler
http://www.flexcart.com/members/elit…d=134&pid=2786

Jim Wendler’s 5/3/1 Logbook Calculator
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8615840/Ji…ook-Calculator

Wendler 5/3/1 For Powerlifting

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[layerofblock]

Sorry - but Saturdays routine failed to post. Here it is.
wk 1 - Squats 4x6
2 - Squats 4x5
3 - Squats 4x4
4 - Squats 3x3
5 - No Squats
6 - Squats 3x3
7 - Squats 3x2
8 - Squats 3x2

[Ronnie Rowland]

I[B] have a lot going on right now so please hang in there and I'll get to your questions this weekend end. It seems there are not enough hours in the day![/B]

[The Titan99]

No worry's Ron, take it easy. Me and everyone else will wait as long as it takes I think...

[Ronnie Rowland]

No worry's Ron, take it easy. Me and everyone else will wait as long as it takes I think...

Thanks Titan99.

[slimshady01]

Ron,
first off hope you are doing better.

This question is for my wife. We finally had our last child on 1/1/12! Now my wife is back in the gym and ready to lose her pregnant weight.

She is starting phentermine from the doc to help kick start some weight loss since it worked on her before. she comes to the gym with me 5 days a week and trains hard.

When she gets lower I was pondering putting her on a small t3 and clen or just adding t3 to her phentermine.

WHat dosages would i put her on. Would i follow the normal t3 protocol or just put her on 37.5mcg throughout her cut to keep thyroid at normal lvls? should she be on 5mg of var to keep muscle wasting and if so how long can women cycle this for?

Any other help will be appreciated.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron,
first off hope you are doing better.

This question is for my wife. We finally had our last child on 1/1/12! Now my wife is back in the gym and ready to lose her pregnant weight.

She is starting phentermine from the doc to help kick start some weight loss since it worked on her before. she comes to the gym with me 5 days a week and trains hard.

When she gets lower I was pondering putting her on a small t3 and clen or just adding t3 to her phentermine.

WHat dosages would i put her on. Would i follow the normal t3 protocol or just put her on 37.5mcg throughout her cut to keep thyroid at normal lvls? should she be on 5mg of var to keep muscle wasting and if so how long can women cycle this for?

Any other help will be appreciated. Being a female she can take 50mcg of t-3 for 12 weeks then taper off. I would have her use 10 mgs of anavar daily then drop back to 5mgs for maintenance once she hits her goals. Honestly, women can cycle 5 mgs of var year round and never go off. However, she should go off 4 weeks before a gyno appt due to blood work.

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[layerofblock]

Thanks Ronnie. That program looks good. I'll write something up and get back to you. Thanks again.

[gonzo6183]

Hey Ronnie,

Awesome thread and soemthing I will look into in the future, after freezing some swimmers. How long do you think you can slingshot and still be able to recover to have kids? (of course everyone is different, just as an estimate).

What do you think about bridging with insulin and peptides (with GH as well) and clen (to avoid excess bf) for the 2 week period? Also if you were to do this do you think you could extend that gap to maybe 4 or 6 weeks to do a PCT and help prevent permanent shut down?

What about if you wanted to run a compound like masteron that is generally run for 14-16 weeks for full effect, how could you incorporate that?

I am also looking into triptorelin to see how many times it can be used if there is 8 weeks between shots, do you have any decent references to multiple triptorelin use?

Appreciate all the help, hope that wasnt too much to ask

Cheers Gonzo

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie,

Awesome thread and soemthing I will look into in the future, after freezing some swimmers. How long do you think you can slingshot and still be able to recover to have kids? (of course everyone is different, just as an estimate). I think if you run 500 of hcg weekly during the entire cycle, most will never have any issues rebounding fully given they come off and do a full pct for 6 weeks after every 6 months of being on.

What do you think about bridging with insulin and peptides (with GH as well) and clen (to avoid excess bf) for the 2 week period? That will work but you could experience some mild depression and loss of libido for a few weeks if you come off test without using any hcg during those two weeks. Also if you were to do this do you think you could extend that gap to maybe 4 or 6 weeks to do a PCT and help prevent permanent shut down? Yes if you use hcg!

What about if you wanted to run a compound like masteron that is generally run for 14-16 weeks for full effect, how could you incorporate that? Run masteron during 8 week reloads only and you'll get the most masteron has to offer, not 14-16. Same goes for EQ unless you are trying to thicken the blood as much as possible which is not the smartest thing to do IMO.
I am also looking into triptorelin to see how many times it can be used if there is 8 weeks between shots, do you have any decent references to multiple triptorelin use? It's to early to tell.
Appreciate all the help, hope that wasnt too much to ask

Cheers Gonzo

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