You'll want to read this!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

adductor machine...any good..for men???

[Ronnie Rowland]

adductor machine...any good..for men???It's good to throw in at the end of a quad workout if your lower back can take it after the fusion surgery you had. That machine causes too much compression in my sacrum area which is not worth the pain. Hopefully this will change when I fully recover. Remember that the adductors make up a large portion of the upper legs so wide stance squats, leg presses and the adductor machine works that area. Around 4-6 sets once per week on that machine is a good plan. Take a look at the picture below of Tom Platz and you will notice that a large part of what made his legs appear so big was his well developed adductors. My wife has huge adductors as well but she has never used the adductor machine. She does wide squats and leg presses to make that area grow which I feel are superior to the adductor machine.

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[VASCULAR VINCE]

Here's a picture taken of one of my good friends/co-workers at last weeks Jr. Nationals in Charleston SC. I helped with her diet and another female friend of mine helped with her posing/presentation. I am of the opinion she will get her pro-card in figure within 2 years..

DAYUUM..SHE BE HOT!!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

Big ron...pros...n..cons of ..nolvadex..vs..letrozole???

[Ronnie Rowland]

big ron...pros...n..cons of ..nolvadex..vs..letrozole???

[b].QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6036237][b]Everyone please make note of this: Nolvadex is best to run on an as needed basis for males (females do best on nolvadex all the way through a contest prep). Nolvadex lowers igf-1 levels and gh levels which lowers the effectiveness of all steroids. However, nolvadex can actually improve your lipids. Letro is best used the last 2 weeks for a show or if you have severe gyno that nothing else will touch. It's just way too strong with too many side effects. Letro will not lower igf-levels like nolvadex but it will destroy your libido, joints, lipid levels,mood, energy output and of course gyno.

For long term use I recommend proviron or better yet masterone. Masterone should be your first choice as it's the only one that builds muscle while simultaneously lowering estrogen levels, yet not in excess! If masterone or proviron are not strong enough to prevent gyno then I would go with aromasin as it's more user friendly on a long term basis for males than letro, arimidex and nolvadex and does not cause an estrogen rebound upon cessation, but it's pricey!

Letro and Nolvadex are clearly both used to reduce estrogen and can be practically eliminated by using letro. Drugs like letro, adex and aromasin stops the conversion of testosterone to estrogen while Nolvadex blocks estrogen from binding.When you block too much estrogen you increase your odds for osteoporosis (something you want to avoid at all cost!)


I hope this simplifies matters..[/b][/QUOTE]above.[/b]

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie got a question, I'm on trt with test cyp. 80 mgs twice a week

If say I want to do test cyp at 500mg a week, I was just going to up dose for 8-10 weeks deload for 2 weeks and do it again..Reload for only 8 weeks not 10 unless you are in a cutting phase.
The question is do I continue my trt during deload or just get off all together? Continue hrt during 2 week deload because if you don't it will throw off your hormonal balance in excess which is very unhealthy!

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[FONZY007]

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Thanks for the reply

[Gronkowski]

Great thread Ron... So many pages I can't read it all haha. I'm sure this has been asked before, but could you lay out an example for a first time AAS user. Should the cycles last no longer than 20 weeks? Is it better to bridge during the deload or run a pct?

[The Titan99]

Great thread Ron... So many pages I can't read it all haha. I'm sure this has been asked before, but could you lay out an example for a first time AAS user. Should the cycles last no longer than 20 weeks? Is it better to bridge during the deload or run a pct?

Since he took the time to write it, you probably should read it. Then, with your vast wealth of newly attained knowledge, you can lay out your own cycle and he would probably critique it. Just an idea...

[Gronkowski]

Since he took the time to write it, you probably should read it. Then, with your vast wealth of newly attained knowledge, you can lay out your own cycle and he would probably critique it. Just an idea...

I read his entire post.. , just not the 250 extra pages with it. Just want to know what's the best way to do this for a first timer. Run a 2 week pct of clomid at 50/50 and Nolva 20/20 or just bridge during the deload at 250 mg test e, than when the ol reload fires back back up to 500 mg / wk? Run this for 3 mini cycles and start pct.

[The Titan99]

I'm not answering Ron's thread except to say this question has been addressed repeatedly in those 250 pages you don't want to read. Think about this though. It takes Test E 14 days to leave your system, (it does) which is when you would start PCT (with that particular compound) your back on already at that point right. That's why he doesn't really state specifically what to do, cause it doesn't much matter. PCT is for after the WHOLE cycle and will be much longer than 2 weeks. IMO.

Also, if you do get bored, read the whole thread. It answered every question I ever had regarding AAS, diet, workout, etc.

[Gronkowski]

I'm not answering Ron's thread except to say this question has been addressed repeatedly in those 250 pages you don't want to read. Think about this though. It takes Test E 14 days to leave your system, (it does) which is when you would start PCT (with that particular compound) your back on already at that point right. That's why he doesn't really state specifically what to do, cause it doesn't much matter. PCT is for after the WHOLE cycle and will be much longer than 2 weeks. IMO.

Also, if you do get bored, read the whole thread. It answered every question I ever had regarding AAS, diet, workout, etc.

Okay thanks man I'll buckle down and try to digest as much as I can .. Ya that's I thought to, but I remember reading somewhere on this thread to not run short esters. How long is your usually pct? 4 weeks?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Great thread Ron... So many pages I can't read it all haha. I'm sure this has been asked before, but could you lay out an example for a first time AAS user. Should the cycles last no longer than 20 weeks? Is it better to bridge during the deload or run a pct?

Like TITAN suggested you need to become more educated through reading before cycling. This thread is a lot to absorb but well worth your time because you'll become well educated. Knowledge is power! And no you should not come off test during 2 week deloads!

[Zero0]

I should've read all this before starting....live and learn...

[Kenlie]

Hi Ronnie.

I have few questions...

Your best PCT suggestion was:

full pct:hcg 2500 is every other day for 2 weeks

This was said in the HCG description, here in the steroidcom:

The old saying more is better definitely does not apply to the use of HCG. You dont want to finish PCT after using too much HCG only to find out your back at the beginning again. Your best bet is to start at 250iu or 500iu ed for 5 or 6 days, and if you dont notice anything happening (nuts dropping and getting bigger) up the dose slightly. Small doses like 500iu two days a week isnt going to cut it like some people think.

I also run clomid and nolva in my PCT. I have pretty good idea about it already: 100 clomid daily + 20mg nolva, for 4 wks.

edit: OK update on this hcg/pct: I've realised that using Hcg in pct is not as simple, as I thought. You won't just chunk them in like pills.
Also, I've read some 8 more hours of this thread and in the future I will be running nolva+hcg PCT, with 2x5000ui hcg for 2 weeks.

EDIT2: Looks like I have now good idea about Hcg mixing as well, after doing full day of research... if I keep this up, I will run out of questions!
I plan to buy 2x5000iu and put 10000iu divided into 5 syringes (to fridge) and inject 2000iu every other day, for 10 days.(or 1000iu eod for 20 days better?)

My NEW plan for the first cycle is the following:
1-8 week: 500mg/susta (reload/12 sets each musclegrp, around 8-10 reps per set) (250mg/ml, twice per week)
9-10 week: 250mg/susta(deload/higher repcount(15)/only 6 sets)
11-18 week: 750mg/susta (reload/12 sets, around 8-10 reps) (250mg/ml three times per week)
11-18 week: 300mg/deca (reload/12 sets, around 8-10 reps) (300mg/ml once per week)
19-20 week: 250mg/susta(deload/more reps (15)/less sets)
21-24 PCT, then start over

Do you think it could be done in following way?:
in weeks 11-18, inject 500mg in 2ml of susta in monday morning, then inject 250mg of susta WITH 300mg of deca (2ml total here too)in the same syringe, in thursday evening? Totalling 2 injections per week also in weeks 11-18.

Next cycle after that(and more or less my norm cycle then):
1-4 week: dbol 50mg/ed
1-8 week: 750mg/susta
9-10 week: 250mg/susta
11-14 week dbol 50mg/ed
11-18 week: 750mg/susta
11-18 week: 300mg/deca
19-20 week: 250mg/susta
21-24 PCT


I have been lifting for 3-4 years with very good program(I did some working out before that, but not so seriously), 5 times a week, 2 musclegroups per day, very good diet for the last year, but now hitting plateau. Before this very good progress. I did something very similar to your TST system, doing some 2 months of hard training, then letting things settle down, or even took week break, and then ghoing back at "maximum attack", and this "slingshotting" has really worked for me. I've gained some 15 kilograms(33 pounds) in just last 2-3 years and none of it is fat. Some say that that much is not even possible, as natural BB!
I want to see how this same idea works with steroids, and using your instructions. Thanks for all the info, this sounds like a great system!
I've used a lot of dropsets and I get good pump with them. I need more strength and hope that using more straight sets and test will help. I have excellent form and I believe to have good genetics too(symmetry more or less just perfect, feeling lucky!), but don't know how I react to steroids, and how much size I can get with great program/diet/rest/steroids. NOT aiming for competitions, but for perfect body and max size.

PS. I am 40 years old, and have done sports all my life. I'm in great shape and even ran half marathon 21km last year(It was very hard, since I already had too much mass. Yes, I walked a lot...). Now I have way too much muscle mass for long runs. I stick to some 2km, twice per week, for cardio.

My cholesterol levels are running a bit high. Any good tips how to get that down a bit?

I weight only 170+lbs(78kilos), but I am only 5'0" tall(165cm), and I am almost in "competition" form now, very low in bodyfat. I have been "eating like crazy", but I don't get a lot of bodyfat. How ever in the future I will decrease my workload in my main job, and try to eat more often during the day. For now I've tried to eat every 4 hours, but sometimes it slips to 5-6 hours, because I've done 16 hour workdays every now and then.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie.

I have few questions...

Your best pct suggestion waslease make note of this: for the very best pct possible (if you can afford it) i recommend the following: Hcg taken at 2500 ius every other day for 3-4 weeks, clomid at 50 mgs taken twice a day for 3-4 weeks and nolvadex 20 mgs for 3-4 weeks. However, running hcg alone works fine for a lot of people, especially those not using an anti-es during cycle. If you are running an anti-es on cycle then you need it during the pct! Also, even though clomid helpssome with pct if it causes you to have severe emotional stress i feel it should be avoided.

this was said in the hcg description, here in the steroidcom:



I also run clomid and nolva in my pct. I have pretty good idea about it already: 100 clomid daily + 20mg nolva, for 4 wks.

edit: Ok update on this hcg/pct: I've realised that using hcg in pct is not as simple, as i thought. You won't just chunk them in like pills.
Also, i've read some 8 more hours of this thread and in the future i will be running nolva+hcg pct, with 2x5000ui hcg for 2 weeks.

Edit2: Looks like i have now good idea about hcg mixing as well, after doing full day of research... If i keep this up, i will run out of questions! :d
i plan to buy 2x5000iu and put 10000iu divided into 5 syringes (to fridge) and inject 2000iu every other day, for 10 days.(or 1000iu eod for 20 days better?)

my new plan for the first cycle is the following:
1-8 week: 500mg/susta (reload/12 sets each musclegrp, around 8-10 reps per set) (250mg/ml, twice per week)
9-10 week: 250mg/susta(deload/higher repcount(15)/only 6 sets)
11-18 week: 750mg/susta (reload/12 sets, around 8-10 reps) (250mg/ml three times per week)
11-18 week: 300mg/deca (reload/12 sets, around 8-10 reps) (300mg/ml once per week)
19-20 week: 250mg/susta(deload/more reps (15)/less sets)
21-24 pct, then start over looks good but i would increase sustanon to 750 mgs weekly during that first reload and 1 gram during second reload.keep deca at 300 mgs during second reload!

do you think it could be done in following way?:
In weeks 11-18, inject 500mg in 2ml of susta in monday morning, then inject 250mg of susta with 300mg of deca (2ml total here too)in the same syringe, in thursday evening? Totalling 2 injections per week also in weeks 11-18. sustanon neeed to be injected 3 times per week to gain the most benefits but you could do it only twice if desired!
next cycle after that(and more or less my norm cycle then):
1-4 week: Dbol 50mg/ed
1-8 week: 750mg/susta (put d-bol at weeks 4-8 not 1-4)
9-10 week: 250mg/susta
11-14 week dbol 50mg/ed (put d-bol at weeks 15-18 not 11-14)
11-18 week: 750mg/susta
11-18 week: 300mg/deca
19-20 week: 250mg/susta
21-24 pct


i have been lifting for 3-4 years with very good program(i did some working out before that, but not so seriously), 5 times a week, 2 musclegroups per day, very good diet for the last year, but now hitting plateau. Before this very good progress. I did something very similar to your tst system, doing some 2 months of hard training, then letting things settle down, or even took week break, and then ghoing back at "maximum attack", and this "slingshotting" has really worked for me. I've gained some 15 kilograms(33 pounds) in just last 2-3 years and none of it is fat. Some say that that much is not even possible, as natural bb!great work!i want to see how this same idea works with steroids, and using your instructions. Thanks for all the info, this sounds like a great system!
I've used a lot of dropsets and i get good pump with them. I need more strength and hope that using more straight sets and test will help. I have excellent form and i believe to have good genetics too(symmetry more or less just perfect, feeling lucky!), but don't know how i react to steroids, and how much size i can get with great program/diet/rest/steroids. Not aiming for competitions, but for perfect body and max size.

Ps. I am 40 years old, and have done sports all my life. I'm in great shape and even ran half marathon 21km last year(it was very hard, since i already had too much mass. Yes, i walked a lot...). Now i have way too much muscle mass for long runs. I stick to some 2km, twice per week, for cardio.beware of hurting your knees!
my cholesterol levels are running a bit high. Any good tips how to get that down a bit?NOTE: cardio at 20 minutes 3 times per week, a clean diet voided of cholesterol, saturated fats and sugar carbs, keep body fat levels relatively low, take it easy on the oral steroids, avoid aromatase inhibitors as they decrease some of the beneficial properties of estrogen on cholesterol values. Also, eat and drink liquid egg whites for most of your protein as they do not contain cholesterol like meat. i weight only 170+lbs(78kilos), but i am only 5'0" tall(165cm), and i am almost in "competition" form now, very low in bodyfat. I have been "eating like crazy", but i don't get a lot of bodyfat. How ever in the future i will decrease my workload in my main job, and try to eat more often during the day. For now i've tried to eat every 4 hours, but sometimes it slips to 5-6 hours, because i've done 16 hour workdays every now and then. drink some egg whites mixed with carb masters yogurt(krogers brand) which takes no time at all to down

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[600@50]

Ronnie,
I just started the Blast and Cruise method. I'm 51 and been on TRT since 1994. I've got a question about using an AI during the cruise portion. My last 8 week blast consisted of 750 mg. of test E per week, 30-40 mg Dbol per day the first 4 weeks. 30 mg on non workout days and 40 mg on workout days. AI was liquidex at .25 mg eod. This kept my E2 great as confirmed by bw. I am returning to my normal TRT dose of 200 mg test E per week for the cruise. What are your recommendations for an AI during the cruise / normal TRT dosage?

Thanks for all the help.

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron, I have friend coming off his first cycle of Test E 400 mg for 10 weeks. He's interested in an HCG only PCT and I know you have recomended this before. I've always run HCG on cycle so I'm not sure how it goes. Do you wait till 14 days after the last test shot like with clomid/nolva? Also, what is the dose? If I recall it's 2500 i.u.'s every 3 days for 2 weeks?

[pfmahan]

Hi Ronnie, its embarrasing to write this but my sex drive has been dead for 12 weeks or so, on my 3rd cycle. Taking testoterone only at 750mg a week.
Have not taken any Ai's since I only have acne,puffy nipples, little sensitive, also the head of my penis is sensitive. Have tried sex supplements, Nothing. Started taking proviron 2 weeks ago, started with 50mg a day for a week, then bumped it up to 100mg a day second week. Have any idea what is going on? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!

[SwellingUp]

Hi Ronnie, its embarrasing to write this but my sex drive has been dead for 12 weeks or so, on my 3rd cycle. Taking testoterone only at 750mg a week.
Have not taken any Ai's since I only have acne,puffy nipples, little sensitive, also the head of my penis is sensitive. Have tried sex supplements, Nothing. Started taking proviron 2 weeks ago, started with 50mg a day for a week, then bumped it up to 100mg a day second week. Have any idea what is going on? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Hey bro could be bunk testosterone if your sure it's not go to the doctor because it could be serious also you can try PDE5 inhibitors like sildenafil citrate, essentially cialis. Sorry about your problem bro don't wait too long and get on hcg and off test and to the docs

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie, its embarrasing to write this but my sex drive has been dead for 12 weeks or so, on my 3rd cycle. Taking testoterone only at 750mg a week.
Have not taken any Ai's since I only have acne,puffy nipples, little sensitive, also the head of my penis is sensitive. Have tried sex supplements, Nothing. Started taking proviron 2 weeks ago, started with 50mg a day for a week, then bumped it up to 100mg a day second week. Have any idea what is going on? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!

I am very sorry to hear this and I have a few questions as it's impossible to give a direct answer other wise. Are you getting your test from the same soruce and was your sex drive good on this same test 12 weeks prior? Also, have you been running any orals, tren or deca? I have three thoughts and in this particular order: 1) You have got hold of some bunk test and proviron. 2) You have puffy nipples which tells me you might have high prolactin levels and you need some cabergoline. The proviron would lower estrogen levels and increase androgen levels enough to increase sex drive) 3) You have high blood pressure which decreases blood flow to the penis-hence decreasing sex drive and your ability to get an erection.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

I have been pre-occupied with my wifes foot fusion surgery and will try and catch up with questions this week. Kathy has been in a great deal of pain. Both of us have been "SCREWED-LITERALLY" this year!!! Here's my wifes new ride-I call it "ROWLAND'S-ROLL-ABOUT"..

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie,
i just started the blast and cruise method. I'm 51 and been on trt since 1994. I've got a question about using an ai during the cruise portion. My last 8 week blast consisted of 750 mg. Of test e per week, 30-40 mg dbol per day the first 4 weeks. 30 mg on non workout days and 40 mg on workout days. Ai was liquidex at .25 mg eod. This kept my e2 great as confirmed by bw. I am returning to my normal trt dose of 200 mg test e per week for the cruise. What are your recommendations for an ai during the cruise / normal trt dosage? .25 mgs of adex every third day instead of eod!

thanks for all the help.

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[kevin2590]

I just started deca 250 and 250 testo gel and im in my 3rd week. still have 7 to go. I already started feeling sensitive around the nipple area and felt soreness today on my right side. is better to start taking nolva during to prevent from gyno or would guys recommend ai or letro? please advice. thanks...

[SwellingUp]

I just started deca 250 and 250 testo gel and im in my 3rd week. still have 7 to go. I already started feeling sensitive around the nipple area and felt soreness today on my right side. is better to start taking nolva during to prevent from gyno or would guys recommend ai or letro? please advice. thanks...

Take the nolvadex 3 days at a time when you feel sides flaring up or you feel nipple pain a little extra sensitivity is normal IMO better would be to take exemestane/aromasin while on cycle instead and save nolvadex for PCT. take the AIs the same way as nolvadex 3 days at a time when sides flare up. Taking too much of either during cycle will hamper your gains.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I just started deca 250 and 250 testo gel and im in my 3rd week. still have 7 to go. I already started feeling sensitive around the nipple area and felt soreness today on my right side. is better to start taking nolva during to prevent from gyno or would guys recommend ai or letro? please advice. thanks...I would recommend low doses of aromasin along with masterone for long term use given you have tried masterone alone and was unsuccesful with that drug. A good plan would be to keep aromasin on hand in case it flares up and use only masterone to control some of that estrogen because masterone is more user friendly and you are spending your money well as it is the only anti-e that builds muscle. If masterone alone is not strong enough then you can add in less arimidex than it you use arimidex alone-hence less side effects! Also, drugs like testosterone alone possesses minimal anabolic properties. By increasing the density of androgen receptors, estrogens render the muscles much more sensitive to testosterone but we don't want too much estrogen or we get gyno, etc.

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[DRdee]

Ron, I know this was posted like 3 years ago. But damn fine information. I am a newbie, but just some awesome insight. Thanks.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

Big ronnie....taking nolvadex.. Does it make you more prone to gyno..in future???

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=VASCULAR VINCE;6034890]Big ronnie....taking nolvadex.. Does it make you more prone to gyno..in future??? No one is certain either way from what I have read. I would not use nolvadex long term as a male because while it blocks estrogen receptors at some sites it can stimulate them at other sites. Therefore, while nolvadex may be helping get rid of gyno it could be hurting your health if used on a long term basis.

I can also tell you that nolvadex has been suggested to behave as estrogens in skeletal muscles which is not good. Estrogen is believed to help protect muscle cells from damage due to hard training which means you would have to train harder to damage yor muscles. It also lowers IGF-levels which is a key compnonet in muscle growth!

One problem with the newer anti-es like arimidex is after long term use they can affect blood pressure and blood mineral content. This makes you more prone to getting high blood pressure and osteoporosis (weak bones) later dowen the road. Some of these drugs can put a strain on the liver as well.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[You are very welcomeQUOTE=DRdee;6034866]Ron, I know this was posted like 3 years ago. But damn fine information. I am a newbie, but just some awesome insight. Thanks.[/QUOTE]You are very welcome!

[daninho777]

Hey Ron, what do you recommend when coming out of a 12 week cut (not contest prep)? would you say a deload is needed before going onto a reload or just go straight from the cut to a reload?
Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, what do you recommend when coming out of a 12 week cut (not contest prep)? would you say a deload is needed before going onto a reload or just go straight from the cut to a reload? You would defintely need a 2 week deload before starting your 8 week reload!
Thanks

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[gonebluffn]

Ronnie you have definately changed my physiquenI love your sling shot method but I only done 24 weeks with incredible results and I have regular blood work I have low T but last dr visit he said my liver enzymes were considerably high other than that healthy as can be ive started taking milk thistle but not sure that will solve the problem and I really dont want to come off do you recomend going ahead and running pct and staying off a couple months or just cut back to maybe 250 mg test a week. Last cycle 750 mg tren e 500 mg sust clen t3 2 on 2 off for six weeks and one more question I ve read so much about not running two nor19s together but tren slows my libido dramaticly and ive done a deca only cycle and my libido was through the roof even more so than when i ran with test I would like to split my tren and deca to 400 mg each and 5to 600 mg of test ive tried raising test but had no libido affect just increased sides of other compounds .thanks for the info sorry so long

[gonebluffn]

Ronnie you have definately changed my physiquenI love your sling shot method but I only done 24 weeks with incredible results and I have regular blood work I have low T but last dr visit he said my liver enzymes were considerably high other than that healthy as can be ive started taking milk thistle but not sure that will solve the problem and I really dont want to come off do you recomend going ahead and running pct and staying off a couple months or just cut back to maybe 250 mg test a week. Last cycle 750 mg tren e 500 mg sust clen t3 2 on 2 off for six weeks and one more question I ve read so much about not running two nor19s together but tren slows my libido dramaticly and ive done a deca only cycle and my libido was through the roof even more so than when i ran with test I would like to split my tren and deca to 400 mg each and 5to 600 mg of test ive tried raising test but had no libido affect just increased sides of other compounds .thanks for the info sorry so long

sorry to here about your wife and I know your in high demand because of your vast knoledge and I know you have alot on your plate but im kind of stuck until I know your recomendation from you which if you dont have time I fully understand and will make the best educated decision I can thank you.

[daniel20]

Hey ronnie, lately I've been having trouble getting a good pump and "feeling" my lats while training back.

Back day goes:
3 sets of neutral/underhand grip pull-ups (feel lats here!)
3 sets of wide grip pulldowns (then less)
3 sets of barbell rows (then less)
3 sets of cable rows (better)
2 sets deadlifts (always get good lower back pump from this!)

Is there any advice you can give on these exercises?? Like form etc.

Thanks!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey ronnie, lately I've been having trouble getting a good pump and "feeling" my lats while training back.

Back day goes:
3 sets of neutral/underhand grip pull-ups (feel lats here!)
3 sets of wide grip pulldowns (then less) I am the same with this exercise and figured out one need to use a dual cable Life Fitness pulldown machine with 2 handles instead of using the standard bar. This provides a better range of motion and it helps takes the biceps/forearms out of the movement!
3 sets of barbell rows (then less Skip barbell rows and use a dual cable row machine with 2 handles or use a life fitness seated row machine, set seat down low as it will go and use the side grip.
3 sets of cable rows (better)
2 sets deadlifts (always get good lower back pump from this!)

Is there any advice you can give on these exercises?? Like form etc.Use less weight and do the exercise slower while getting a better squeeze.
Thanks!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=gonebluffn;6035239]Ronnie you have definately changed my physiquenI love your sling shot method but I only done 24 weeks with incredible results and I have regular blood work I have low T but last dr visit he said my liver enzymes were considerably high other than that healthy as can be ive started taking milk thistle but not sure that will solve the problem and I really dont want to come off do you recomend going ahead and running pct and staying off a couple months or just cut back to maybe 250 mg test a week. Just working out in general causes elevated enzymes so I do not think there is anything to be alarmed about unless you are running halotestin or other potent orals non-stop. Test is not going to put a noticeable strain on the liver at the dosages you are running. Some people like milk thistle while others feel sick on it, I never liked it personally. Last cycle 750 mg tren e 500 mg sust clen t3 2 on 2 off for six weeks and one more question I ve read so much about not running two nor19s together but tren slows my libido dramaticly and ive done a deca only cycle and my libido was through the roof even more so than when i ran with test I would like to split my tren and deca to 400 mg each and 5to 600 mg of test ive tried raising test but had no libido affect just increased sides of other compounds .thanks for the info sorry so long If your sex drive went up on deca in the past it could be that you were actually sold test but I have seen a few people have no issues while on deca. Everyone reacts a bit differently. You certainly need to be running cabergoline while on deca and/or tren if your libido is dropping and I do not recommend combining two nor19's unless you are one of these rare people who can tolerate it sexually. You might want to try test/masterone/deca and leave out the tren since masterone acts as a mild anti-estrogen and it does not convert to progesterone like tren. Some do much better sexually with that combo! /QUOTE]above

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[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6038881]

Ronnie you have definately changed my physiquenI love your sling shot method but I only done 24 weeks with incredible results and I have regular blood work I have low T but last dr visit he said my liver enzymes were considerably high other than that healthy as can be ive started taking milk thistle but not sure that will solve the problem and I really dont want to come off do you recomend going ahead and running pct and staying off a couple months or just cut back to maybe 250 mg test a week. Just working out in general causes elevated enzymes so I do not think there is anything to be alarmed about unless you are running halotestin or other potent orals non-stop. Test is not going to put a noticeable strain on the liver at the dosages you are running. Some people like milk thistle while others feel sick on it, I never liked it personally. Last cycle 750 mg tren e 500 mg sust clen t3 2 on 2 off for six weeks and one more question I ve read so much about not running two nor19s together but tren slows my libido dramaticly and ive done a deca only cycle and my libido was through the roof even more so than when i ran with test I would like to split my tren and deca to 400 mg each and 5to 600 mg of test ive tried raising test but had no libido affect just increased sides of other compounds .thanks for the info sorry so long If your sex drive went up on deca in the past it could be that you were actually sold test but I have seen a few people have no issues while on deca. Everyone reacts a bit differently. You certainly need to be running cabergoline while on deca and/or tren if your libido is dropping and I do not recommend combining two nor19's unless you are one of these rare people who can tolerate it sexually. You might want to try test/masterone/deca and leave out the tren since masterone acts as a mild anti-estrogen and it does not convert to progesterone like tren. Some do much better sexually with that combo! /QUOTE]above

Thank you for your time and advice will give it a try .

[Yellow]

Ron,

I have been finishing 2 contest-prep cycle using Test Prop, Tren Ace, Tbol, Winstrol, Letro, Clen.
Each contest-prep cycle was followed by 2 weeks of deload just using Test only.

After the deload, I want to continue reloading just for maintenance by using test + proviron while recovering my liver & cholesterol which have been screwed after 2 contest-prep cycles using lots of orals & strong anti-e like Femara (pharm grade letro).
My plan would be 600-750mg Test per week + 50mg proviron per day to keep estrogen under control & maintain hardness/leaness.
What's your thought on this?
I want to use Test + Masteron stack, but it seems that I can't find legit masteron here in my country, so the choice would fall into proviron.

Does proviron hard on liver & cholesterol just like another orals?

Thanks for your input & help so far...

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron,

I have been finishing 2 contest-prep cycle using Test Prop, Tren Ace, Tbol, Winstrol, Letro, Clen.
Each contest-prep cycle was followed by 2 weeks of deload just using Test only.

After the deload, I want to continue reloading just for maintenance by using test + proviron while recovering my liver & cholesterol which have been screwed after 2 contest-prep cycles using lots of orals & strong anti-e like Femara (pharm grade letro).
My plan would be 600-750mg Test per week + 50mg proviron per day to keep estrogen under control & maintain hardness/leaness.
What's your thought on this?
I want to use Test + Masteron stack, but it seems that I can't find legit masteron here in my country, so the choice would fall into proviron.

Does proviron hard on liver & cholesterol just like another orals? It is not hard on the liver like other 17 alkylated orals but it will bump cholesterol some but not to the degree as the 17 alkylated Thanks for your input & help so far...

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