M1t FAQ

[Soldier of Misfortune]

I understood your M1T question w/ getting two bottles. I did the same thing, in case you want to up the dosage, but more just so I have it for another cycle in case it gets banned soon. It wont hurt to have it ready, plus its cheap. The 4derm thing is probably to keep your body in equilibrium with the level of 4derm. My nolva/clomid is in a 60mL vial as well. Good call on using a baby syringe for measuring, I have an injection one for each. Just draw w/ the needle and take it off to squirt in mouth.

[DirtyDog]

I've just finished my M1T cycle and am currently running my PCT. I made good strength and lean muscle mass gains on the cycle and had no sides at all using 10mg per day. Now im just exhausted all the time, I cant lift anything and I've ended up cutting my last 3 workouts short simply because I had no strength or energy to lift any more.

Is this because of my test levels being lower while the Clomid kicks in or what?

I've been on PCT for 4 days now.

[nsa]

That could be a part of it. Your probably also lethargic from the low test levels. This is why you frontload clomid in pct.

[DirtyDog]

How long do you reckon it will last? Im taking clomid 100mg ED and Nolva 20mg ED for two weeks as you recommended to me as I only did a 2 week cycle to begin with.

By frontload, do you mean have a large amount to start as in the cycle this thread began on? i.e. 300mg

Cheers

[nsa]

It should gradually get better each day now.

I thought you where running 4 weeks. Thats why i was thinking of frontloading.

[DirtyDog]

It should gradually get better each day now.

I thought you where running 4 weeks. Thats why i was thinking of frontloading.

Yeah, it all get better from when you said and now 7 days into PCT and I feel my workouts are back to 100% of what they were before.

Nice

[birsling]

Hey NSA, quick opinion question for you. In reading Pheedno's latest PCT posts, and speaking to Einstein, they are now against front loading clomid. They are talking up a consistent 100mg ED. What do you think, and why? This applies to aas cycles, so I am wondering what, if anything, would make this different for M1T

[nsa]

Hey birsling, sorry i didn't know you asked that until this last post bumped up the thread.

I think that you can succesfully use more clomid during the beginning of PCT because your test levels are so low. So frontloading will cause a steeper increase of test levels, rather than the longer slower Increase brought on by using 100 mg throughout pct.

Let me know what their reasoning was behind not frontloading, i respect their opinions alot, so i would love to read what they had to say about it.

[birsling]

NSA, no prob bro, I probably should have bumped it myself. Reading Pheedno's actual post, and not going by hearsay, he is not against front loading but does say not everyone can tolerate it. Something I have never thought about, and something that gets discussed very little. Occulotoxicity of clomid can greatly effect some people, and he is mainly pointing out that front loading is not NECESSARY (NOT saying that he doesn't recommend it). Though I am sure you have seen it, here is a link to Pheedno's very impressive PCT guideline thread http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...6&page=1&pp=40

[nsa]

Yeah, i've read that a few times. I agree that some people can't tolerate it, but most people myself included can tolerate it. Its really only the first day that could be a problem, 300 mg first day. After that its 100 or less.

[gio86]

bro nsa how much you think i should tak of this andro poppers. im gonna stack them with m1t. check out the info.

Serving Size: 2 Tabs
Servings Per Container: 50

Amount Per Serving:

Balanced Andro Complex: 150mg
4-AD 128mg
4-AD-EC 15mg
NOR-4-AD 5mg
A1-E 2mg.

[nsa]

Alot, oral 4-ad as with other oral PH's that are not methylated are not very bioavailable. I wouldn't even use an oral 4-ad or andro combo, I would definately look into using a transdermal 4-ad.

[gio86]

yea bro thats what i thought...but do you have any suggestions?? i mean i have them just sitting there. how many should i take?

[nsa]

I would take about 10 Tabs ED, but i don't know your stats and history and stuff. So judge from what i would take, Im 5'8" 180 @ 7% BF.

[gio86]

ok well im 5'8 or 9 i dont even know and im 160-165 and about 7% bf also.

[gio86]

if you dont mind me asking were do you get your 4ad from??

[nsa]

www.bulknutrition.com Get the 4-derm. Its the best value when considering effectiveness and price.

[gio86]

thanx bro

[gio86]

what do you think is best as far as taking the m1t tabs.
im gonna go for 20mg a day should i take 10 in the mornign and 10 at night or should i take 4 spread through out the day??

[nsa]

Every 6 hours is good. Some can't do that because of sleep, so most just go with 2 every 12 hours for that desired dose.

[nsa]

Bump...

I edited the original post to add some sides and how to counter them.

[nsa]

Bump

[flexin-rph]

I'm finishing week 4 of PCT, can I just start another M1T cycle right away (the previous cycle was 4 weeks at 20mg/day)? Any input appreciated.

[nsa]

Yeah, there is no harm in that, as long as your taking milk thistle.

[DirtyDog]

Do you mean as long as he is taking Milk Thistle during his current PCT, or as long as hes taking it when he starts the M1T again?

[birsling]

I would think he is talking during PCT to assist in getting liver values back to normal. Once your body has fully recovered, usually in that 1 month period, you should be good for another cycle. Right N?

[nsa]

I would think he is talking during PCT to assist in getting liver values back to normal. Once your body has fully recovered, usually in that 1 month period, you should be good for another cycle. Right N?

Yeah, i would say so. I had to get tested during my pct after my second cycle and 16 days into pct, my liver values and my free & bound test was normal.

[flexin-rph]

The reason I ask is I only have 2 days of PCT left & my sex-drive is not back, & I feel like I have no energy whatsoever. I didn't know if I should just lay off another week or two.

[nsa]

If your libido and energy level is low you should up your test booster. So if its still not back then increase the dose of clomid, in your case i would take as much time off as needed and start taking clomid again at 100 mg ED until your test levels are back to normal.

[PunyKid]

Ok, from all the research and reading up I've done on this product, it seems pretty clear that the structure of this compund inhibits it from breaking down in the liver and that it does not aromatize or convert to estrogen. Ok, I am right so far, huh? So, here is my question: What is the point of taking the Milk Thistle and the Clomid or Nolvadex? The way I see it, Milk Thistle is just a waste of money since M1T bypasses the liver. And, also, the Clomid and Nolvadex is a very big waste of money since this product won't be doing any converting to estrogen. This is the way I see it. But, please correct me if I am wrong, as I am quite new to steroid cylces. Also, I plan on doing my cycle 2 weeks on and then 2 weeks off. I have the bottle of M1T right here in front of me and it says in BOLD PRINT: Do NOT use this product for longer than 2 continuous weeks without taking a 2 week break form use. So, I'm just sticking with the recommened use to be on the safe side. Unless anyone can give me enough convincing to change my mind, I plan to run a 2 week on cycle/2 week off cycle with some Trib thrown in for PCT to bring my Test levels back to normal. This should be suffiecient enough. I'll let everyone know my results. Oh, btw I am 5' 8'' and I weigh 168 lbs., just to give y'all an idea of my stats. Thanks for the help.

[userabuser]

As I understand it, tribulus doesn't not promote test level increases. Clomid does. My bottle of m1t says one month. My other bottle says nothing. (UL)

I am not an expert on the liver thing with m1t, but I do follow the advise of those here that are more informed than I. And Milk Thistle is cheap and can't hurt.

[PunyKid]

NSA, I did read the original post. This is the reason I am asking. I am confused. You said yourself in the original post that it is not brokendown by the liver and that it does not convert to estrogen. So, I do not understand what the need for the anti-estrogens and the milk thistle are for. Could you please explain.

[flexin-rph]

Clomid 100mg ed along w/ the m1t or by itself along w/ some trib? Also, should I d/c the nolva now?

[nsa]

You can drop the nolvadex and use clomid with tribulus. Clomid is also a anti-estrogen, not as strong as nolvadex, but its main use is to increase test levels.

[birsling]

Let your body talk to you bro. I would hit up about 5g ED of Trib, that seemed to help me get back up to speed. I wouldn't cycle again until you FEEL ready, or go get some blood tests and check your levels, could be just mental.

[nsa]

Could be mental, but with something like that why risk it? See if you can get a blood test.

[birsling]

Bump for the newbies. Have we not yet established sticky-ness?

[pimpjuice]

I agree with NSA. Midget shouldnt touch any AAS until at least a few months of workingout

[Marc Angelo]

I agree that a person who is a newbie, or lacking muscle development, or is not well educated about the side effects, repercusions, consequences etc, of M1t or Steroids should stay away from them. However, some people are going to use them regardless of our opinions. I am not sure that by saying "this is not for newbies"/"go to another chat", or "go back and lift some more" (not that anyone has said that) will help the person asking the question.

[nsa]

I personally think that young people and/or inexperienced lifters should not use things like AAS or m1t, but if you are going to use them regardless just make sure you do your research and learn as much as you possibly can about the compounds you want to use.