First ever Test E only cycle

[cousinmuscles]

Hey Jangles, wait and see how your PCT goes. That will be the real test. Everything else is speculation. Botton line is that you kept on your cycle, you ate right and went to the gym. Keep that up though PCT and keep working hard. If AAS has worked for you getting in the gym, changing your lifestyle and making you feel better that is what is important. Very few people post up their pictures on here and keep logging their journey. This is a marthon not a sprint. No matter what the outcome you have learned a lot, hit the gym and changed your lifestyle. You make a personal choice and commintment and you stuck by your word on posting reguardless of what other people say. That is what it takes to be successful in life and in the gym.

Sorry but this is all incorrect. What he does is actually speculative and this thread is a bit scary to watch considering the pics. It's a total gym newbie starting a cycle before they get their gym membership (possibly not the case but sure makes it look like it). It's a path of destruction and the opposite of what one should do to be successful in the gym (edit: and life)

[Jangles1]

Sorry but this is all incorrect. What he does is actually speculative and this thread is a bit scary to watch considering the pics. It's a total gym newbie starting a cycle before they get their gym membership (possibly not the case but sure makes it look like it). It's a path of destruction and the opposite of what one should do to be successful in the gym (edit: and life)

Path of destruction lmao.... Anyone would think I am injecting 3g of Heroin a day... Give it a rest mate..... Dramatic much.

Ive approached this cycle as safe as anyone could possibly do so. Over $600 in blood tests alone. I have had no sides other than a few spots.

[David LoPan]

Path of destruction lmao.... Anyone would think I am injecting 3g of Heroin a day... Give it a rest mate..... Dramatic much.

Ive approached this cycle as safe as anyone could possibly do so. Over $600 in blood tests alone. I have had no sides other than a few spots.

No record drug talk

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[Berzerk]

No record drug talk

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I did Nazi that coming....

[cousinmuscles]

Well that's my opinion only lol. Jangles if you do stay determined and just log what you do and aim to progress you will eventually find the way.

[chanjayd]

Great job mate! Although you might not have a good starting point, you clearly seem to know that what you are doing and show incredible work ethics....

Could you pm me your source? I checked iSarms source section but couldnt find a list of approved source..

[hollowedzeus]

Great job mate! Although you might not have a good starting point, you clearly seem to know that what you are doing and show incredible work ethics....

Could you pm me your source? I checked iSarms source section but couldnt find a list of approved source..

Oh cheeky cheeky

[Berzerk]

Great job mate! Although you might not have a good starting point, you clearly seem to know that what you are doing and show incredible work ethics....

Could you pm me your source? I checked iSarms source section but couldnt find a list of approved source..

No

He knows what he's doing? Lol

[Jangles1]

No

He knows what he's doing? Lol

Other than starting light I know exactly what I am doing. Training, Diet, AAS knowledge is sound. I educate myself and learn from my mistakes on a daily basis.

If you have nothing positive or constructive to say just don't say anything...... Post your journey and lets see what you're achieving. Until then I don't respect a thing you say.

Nothing but a 37 year old keyboard warrior. Hows that working out for you. Sad sad man!

[hollowedzeus]

Still got tendonitis pain?

[Jangles1]

Still got tendonitis pain?

Yep. Both arms have calmed down and I can finally push a good overhead miltary presss again, but incline (30%) pressing is stil not 100%. I am not sure of my TB500 is doing anything, but I am in Week 5 of a 10 week protocol.

[Galpster]

BUMP- curious to see how this plays out. Thanks Jangles for staying the course.

[ChasinGains]

Props to jangles for continuing after a fair amount of abuse, definate change in body, not so much in chest but im guessing thats due to injurys and not being able to bench, im sitting at 197lbs naturally and around 14%body fat ao definatly could of been done naturally but oh well who really cares, i will get more flame than you jangles when i start a cycle as im just coming up to 23 so dont worry lol

[Jangles1]

Sorry for the hold up. Had more important things going on and tbh just wanted to focus on eating and working out..

Week 18

Pin

All fine

Gym

Great

Diet

Solid as always (hard to eat 4650 cals day though)

Weight

205lbs

Sides

zero

PIP

All good lately


Conclusion


I am at week 18 now having done 16 weeks of AAS. I have just added prop for the final 2 weeks with it being a short ester. I will start my PCT at the start of next week.

Had my MRI scan and turns out ive got a small rotator cuff tear and strained, weak tendons in my shoulder. The Doctor said it should be like steak, but is more like streaky bacon. I am seeing my Pysio next week to start a course to try and repair the damage without surgery or stopping the gym.

I am very happy with my AAS journey and have learnt a lot. 100 % do not regret this journey and its made a great change in my self confidence and how I feel. Should I have put on 15/20lbs naturally over 3 years without AAS, maybe, but with my injury and body issues, I am glad I did this!!

Judge away !


PICS -

170 - 205lbs

[xGarlicx]

Jangles man, I've been reading along and followed up until now. About to start my first cycle as well, although I have a different but similar starting point. I was really curious to see how your journey would go. I'm really happy you stuck with it and followed good advice when it came along and stuck to your guns when getting trolled.

Yeah, you could get to where you are natty, but honestly most people never will. I can't believe even with all the PIP and injuries you pushed through and I can tell it's paid off. You're actually looking like you lift now man, so grats! Keep it going!

[Jangles1]

Jangles man, I've been reading along and followed up until now. About to start my first cycle as well, although I have a different but similar starting point. I was really curious to see how your journey would go. I'm really happy you stuck with it and followed good advice when it came along and stuck to your guns when getting trolled.

Yeah, you could get to where you are natty, but honestly most people never will. I can't believe even with all the PIP and injuries you pushed through and I can tell it's paid off. You're actually looking like you lift now man, so grats! Keep it going!

Thanks mate. I am a determined mother fucker.

Coming up to the end of week 3 of my PCT. Feeling great. No major strength loss although i've gone down to 191lsb today (9 drop so far)

Mood and sex drive great. Nothing negative at all tbh.


Will keep updating !

[DocToxin8]

Sorry for the hold up. Had more important things going on and tbh just wanted to focus on eating and working out..

Week 18

Pin

All fine

Gym

Great

Diet

Solid as always (hard to eat 4650 cals day though)

Weight

205lbs

Sides

zero

PIP

All good lately


Conclusion


I am at week 18 now having done 16 weeks of AAS. I have just added prop for the final 2 weeks with it being a short ester. I will start my PCT at the start of next week.

Had my MRI scan and turns out ive got a small rotator cuff tear and strained, weak tendons in my shoulder. The Doctor said it should be like steak, but is more like streaky bacon. I am seeing my Pysio next week to start a course to try and repair the damage without surgery or stopping the gym.

I am very happy with my AAS journey and have learnt a lot. 100 % do not regret this journey and its made a great change in my self confidence and how I feel. Should I have put on 15/20lbs naturally over 3 years without AAS, maybe, but with my injury and body issues, I am glad I did this!!

Judge away !


PICS -

170 - 205lbs

Ok, congrats Jangles but I just have to chime in for anyone else reading this thread;

It is NOT advisable to start AAS with such a starting point.
It’s not just a matter of fact that these gains could have been made natty,
but it’s also a concern about tendon and ligaments.
You should generally have 3 years at least if training, but let’s dial that down to 1 year of SERIOUS, dedicated training at the very least, before you start AAS.
This will make it less likely that you damage tendons and joints during the cycle. This might seem like just; ahh, fuck, tendons right?!
But it actually is important,
if you damage an elbow or a shoulder enough you’ll have to stop training for growth completely in worst case and just do physio for 6mo to a year.
And that is gonna cost you from half a year to one year just spending time on an injury, which if you don’t do correct can cause you even more time.

Not to mention risks to your HPTA and such, but just let’s ignore all that for now and say that you’re willing to juice for the rest of your life;
Then you want to optimize for that to be possible.
And tendons is a big thing here.
It’s also a matter of just getting used to the bodybuilding life style. This is harder than many think, and doesn’t happen automatically when you start juicing.

My point is that this practice is very risky and i know several who have attempted it, only to drop out of training completely due to injuries.

So no flak to you Jangles, I hope you’re satisfied and wish you the best.
I just don’t want this to be an example for someone else without informing of the danger.
And I can say that I don’t overestimate if I say that 50% of the guys I know who start juicing with a bad base, end up hurting themselves to the point where they quit lifting.
And when they quit lifting the usually won’t start again, since they now know that juice fucked them up, and that’s not a carrot to entice them anymore.

So please, anyone seeing this, think it through.

And again, I hope you’re bigger and better now Jangles and are one of the exceptions that can handle this and get lucky.

[Jangles1]

Ok, congrats Jangles but I just have to chime in for anyone else reading this thread;

It is NOT advisable to start AAS with such a starting point.
It’s not just a matter of fact that these gains could have been made natty,
but it’s also a concern about tendon and ligaments.
You should generally have 3 years at least if training, but let’s dial that down to 1 year of SERIOUS, dedicated training at the very least, before you start AAS.
This will make it less likely that you damage tendons and joints during the cycle. This might seem like just; ahh, fuck, tendons right?!
But it actually is important,
if you damage an elbow or a shoulder enough you’ll have to stop training for growth completely in worst case and just do physio for 6mo to a year.
And that is gonna cost you from half a year to one year just spending time on an injury, which if you don’t do correct can cause you even more time.

Not to mention risks to your HPTA and such, but just let’s ignore all that for now and say that you’re willing to juice for the rest of your life;
Then you want to optimize for that to be possible.
And tendons is a big thing here.
It’s also a matter of just getting used to the bodybuilding life style. This is harder than many think, and doesn’t happen automatically when you start juicing.

My point is that this practice is very risky and i know several who have attempted it, only to drop out of training completely due to injuries.

So no flak to you Jangles, I hope you’re satisfied and wish you the best.
I just don’t want this to be an example for someone else without informing of the danger.
And I can say that I don’t overestimate if I say that 50% of the guys I know who start juicing with a bad base, end up hurting themselves to the point where they quit lifting.
And when they quit lifting the usually won’t start again, since they now know that juice fucked them up, and that’s not a carrot to entice them anymore.

So please, anyone seeing this, think it through.

And again, I hope you’re bigger and better now Jangles and are one of the exceptions that can handle this and get lucky.

Thanks for such a great reply. You're right in everything you say. I 100% suggest doing it the way you did and advise. I Would be a fool to argue otherwise. I did have my reasons, but thats by the by.

UPDATE for anyone who cares.

I am now 4 weeks into PCT. Hardly any strength loss, 190lbs still (meaning I've kept 20lbs as of now) and feel great. Deadlifting 140kg x 3, Squatting 100kg x 8 (free weight, onto a bench though)

A lot of people made out that my gains would vanish and that my body would shut down from thus cycle due to no base. What a load of shit!

There was a LOT of scare mongering in this thread and unless magically I wake up in the next 2 weeks of PCT and am 170, I've proved a LOT of people wrong!

Maybe its my diet and dedication in the gym?? Maybe the AAS did nothing and I just grew naturally, explaining why I've not lost any size or strength??? I don't know, but I've kept all my size added and feel great.... Time will tell if I am proved wrong, but at this point I cant see how I would loose the muscle added with the lifestyle choices I am making !

[hollowedzeus]

I dont want to come across nasty or anything but the point i think was being made is that you still look very very natural. You are nowhere near the stage where people dont have to ask if you go to the gym.

I dont know that youll lose the way you look at all. Im not really sure where that 30lbs went either.

But if youre happy thats all that matters. Putting it on the thread fully opened yourself to critique and yougot it good.

I woupd have said dont do it but very big props for taking it all on the chin and carrying on.

Doesnt make it a good idea... to any noobs wanting to do the same thing as jangles

[Jangles1]

I dont want to come across nasty or anything but the point i think was being made is that you still look very very natural. You are nowhere near the stage where people dont have to ask if you go to the gym.

I dont know that youll lose the way you look at all. Im not really sure where that 30lbs went either.

But if youre happy thats all that matters. Putting it on the thread fully opened yourself to critique and yougot it good.

I woupd have said dont do it but very big props for taking it all on the chin and carrying on.

Doesnt make it a good idea... to any noobs wanting to do the same thing as jangles

I get that mate

But that doesnt negate the fact everything people said would happen due to starting without a propper base has not happened.

That’s my only point here.


If you’re new to AAS and reading this, absolutely be patient and do a solid year or 2 building a base while throughly researching, then if you really want to, do a cycle. It can only yield better results if you build a better base than i did.

The main thing I’ve learnt is that I could have achieved the same goals without aas, albeit in a longer time period. Being on a cycle i do think motivated my beyond belief, and i do not regret it at all. I would change a few things if i could though.

I think it’s funny everyone says “you look no different”. It’s funny because i cannot begin to describe the amount of comments i get from people every time i go out. There is a huge huge difference. Huge!

Maybe pics don’t translate well, but that’s just fact. No reason to lie. Say what you want about me but i’ve being transparent from day 1

It is what it is and all you can do is learn from your mistakes and move forward.

I’m healthy and kept (for now) all gains. Post cycle Bloods will be done after my PCT and il report back.

[Obs]

I get that mate

But that doesnt negate the fact everything people said would happen due to starting without a propper base has not happened.

That’s my only point here.


If you’re new to AAS and reading this, absolutely be patient and do a solid year or 2 building a base while throughly researching, then if you really want to, do a cycle. It can only yield better results if you build a better base than i did.

The main thing I’ve learnt is that I could have achieved the same goals without aas, albeit in a longer time period. Being on a cycle i do think motivated my beyond belief, and i do not regret it at all. I would change a few things if i could though.

I think it’s funny everyone says “you look no different”. It’s funny because i cannot begin to describe the amount of comments i get from people every time i go out. There is a huge huge difference. Huge!

Maybe pics don’t translate well, but that’s just fact. No reason to lie. Say what you want about me but i’ve being transparent from day 1

It is what it is and all you can do is learn from your mistakes and move forward.

I’m healthy and kept (for now) all gains. Post cycle Bloods will be done after my PCT and il report back.

Give it time for it to have been over a while.

You said a cycle or two....

You will either, cycle the rest of your life/trt, or you will lose everything you have gained.

This is what you don't seem to get...
It takes time to lose. Two months is not time. Two months is not even long enough to have started another cycle.


Give it a year and you will be back to square one. Granted you were still developing.
Most males dont fill in until 22-25.

Its not a manliness issue or a reflection of you. It is physics.

It took supplements to achieve.
Remove the supplements and....

Not that complicated.

[Jangles1]

Give it time for it to have been over a while.

You said a cycle or two....

You will either, cycle the rest of your life/trt, or you will lose everything you have gained.

This is what you don't seem to get...
It takes time to lose. Two months is not time. Two months is not even long enough to have started another cycle.


Give it a year and you will be back to square one. Granted you were still developing.
Most males dont fill in until 22-25.

Its not a manliness issue or a reflection of you. It is physics.

It took supplements to achieve.
Remove the supplements and....

Not that complicated.

I’m not saying you’re wrong as I can’t see into the future, but say I never did a cycle again, carried on lifting and eating a 500 surplus, you still think in one years time i’d be back to square one?

How is that physically possible? I would be adding 6-12 a year for the first year or so of natural bulking, so how i would end up back at square one I just do not get.

Common sense would suggest I can build on what i’ve achieved with this first cycle.

As i say, not saying you’re wrong, simply challenging with a fair assumption.

I am not here to argue. Can’t be fucked with the negativity

[Obs]

I’m not saying you’re wrong as I can’t see into the future, but say I never did a cycle again, carried on lifting and eating a 500 surplus, you still think in one years time i’d be back to square one?

How is that physically possible? I would be adding 6-12 a year for the first year or so of natural bulking, so how i would end up back at square one I just do not get.

Common sense would suggest I can build on what i’ve achieved with this first cycle.

As i say, not saying you’re wrong, simply challenging with a fair assumption.

I am not here to argue. Can’t be fucked with the negativity

Indeed.
Its more complicated than that. Not here to argue.

Its a struggle from hell. It also gets worse rebounding after a cycle with age from my experiences. Everything you are doing now is a cinch but you will see what I mean in a few months.

Anabolic steroids aren't addictive says a guy without a soul that never ran a cycle.

Its the darkside. Once you cross into it you don't just leave. I know because I had the gun barrel in my mouth when I watched it all go.

Have you ever seen an elite bodybuilder 6 months off AAS?

Don't be too arrogant man. You are speaking to guys that have done this since before you were born.

[Jangles1]

Give it time for it to have been over a while.

You said a cycle or two....

You will either, cycle the rest of your life/trt, or you will lose everything you have gained.

This is what you don't seem to get...
It takes time to lose. Two months is not time. Two months is not even long enough to have started another cycle.


Give it a year and you will be back to square one. Granted you were still developing.
Most males dont fill in until 22-25.

Its not a manliness issue or a reflection of you. It is physics.

It took supplements to achieve.
Remove the supplements and....

Not that complicated.

I’m not saying you’re wrong as I can’t see into the future, but say I never did a cycle again, carried on lifting and eating a 500 surplus, you still think in one years time i’d be back to square one?

How is that physically possible? I would be adding 6-12 a year for the first year or so of natural bulking, so how i would end up back at square one I just do not get.

Common sense would suggest I can build on what i’ve achieved with this first cycle.

As i say, not saying you’re wrong, simply challenging with a fair assumption.

I am not here to argue. Can’t be fucked with the negativity

[Couchlockd]

because you now damaged HPTA, and if you couldn't do it with pre cycle levels of natural hormones, tour not going to keep super physiological gains when your HPTA doesn't come back to even its pre cycle levels

your going to eat with less test, more cortisol, and estrogen. and your surplus is going to add fat.

how bout a current pic with today's date to show us your holding your "gains"?

dude you look like a chemo patient with osteroperosis

[Couchlockd]

can we have a list of your max lifts?

[AdroRomano]

I'm on the EXACT same thing, first time, test only , 3 weeks in . Looks like you've done ur research, everything's on point . Now just get a STRICT diet in u

[Couchlockd]

I'm on the EXACT same thing, first time, test only , 3 weeks in . Looks like you've done ur research, everything's on point . Now just get a STRICT diet in u

really done his research?

he went from,a 50 lb barbell bench press to a 90 lb bench press.

for comparison I'm 30 lbs lighter and shorter and incline press 90 lb dumbbells for sets of 12

[Jangles1]

I'm on the EXACT same thing, first time, test only , 3 weeks in . Looks like you've done ur research, everything's on point . Now just get a STRICT diet in u

Diet is brilliant. 4500 clean cals every single day!!

Good luck with your journey

[Couchlockd]

you realize who,those guys are,

one is Kevin levrone
and flex wheeler.

[Jangles1]

you realize who,those guys are,

one is Kevin levrone
and flex wheeler.

Yes. Big timers. Prob on an insane amount of gear and were monsters. Cool pics but they play no real relevance in my situation (although I get your point)

[Obs]

Yes. Big timers. Prob on an insane amount of gear and were monsters. Cool pics but they play no real relevance in my situation (although I get your point)

Btw... The only issue I ever had on your log was that you thought you could just run a cycle or two and get where you wanted, then be gtg.

[marcus300]

Well done on documenting your progress, its not an easy thing to do putting yourself out there. I do have a lot to say but most have more or less said it.

[Wyatt 88]

Just finish this article from front to back very entertaining at the least. Probably the most interesting thing to me was how people overload on protein. I'm totally guilty of it but I've never liked carbs but I do understand the value of them and raw fruits and vegetables but I guess I just comes with knowledge perseverance

[hammerheart]

Just finish this article from front to back very entertaining at the least. Probably the most interesting thing to me was how people overload on protein. I'm totally guilty of it but I've never liked carbs but I do understand the value of them and raw fruits and vegetables but I guess I just comes with knowledge perseverance

No point wasting protein for energy when there's carbs available, that's my take.

[levijoseph]

Just read through most of this thread, can we get an update from OP?

[Couchlockd]

Just read through most of this thread, can we get an update from OP?

Lol

He won't show us, cuzz we were right.

[Jangles1]

Lol

He won't show us, cuzz we were right.

Check the main thread

[Couchlockd]

Check the main thread

How bout now, just curious, did you hold on to those gainz?

Not being a dick, just curious as you were 100% sure you'd hold all weight and then some. You should share with us how you've done it.

We are all brother's here.

[Jangles1]

With all due respect... I have had nothing but shit from day 1. Accusations of lying and generally treated like a moron myself. Borderline bullying due to having a self belief that didn't fall in line with most of the forums views.

As nice and helpful as your charts and help were in the other post, none of you are my brothers....I came here for one reason only, to prove you all wrong, like I knew in my mind and heart I would.

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To all the newbies reading this. It is advised to get to a decent size before AAS, it can only help, but if like me you do not want to for your OWN good reason (injury setbacks), not laziness, do not worry about it. If you stick to your training and diet, you will keep your gains. I did anyhow.

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See you again in 8-10 months !!