Guns and Ammo Thread

[Beetlegeuse]

I've been jonesing for a Thermal Defense suppressor since they first were announced because it's 3-D printed from Inconel, which is what the blast baffle is made from in most high-end suppressors, so it's harder than Chinese math and should be next to immortal. And thanks to 3-D printing's frugal use of materials, it's pretty much as light as the lightest cans on the market (and most that light don't use Inconel baffles).

It uses a new baffle design that Oak Ridge National Laboratory developed from computer modeling, which AFAIK is the first baffle designed entirely in such a fashion, and they claim it's the quietest design yet. And the TDI cans discharge to the front, which greatly reduces backpressure. Which improves the chances that you won't have to run an adjustable gas block and you don't get green shit all over your spent casings. And they're $700-$1100, which makes them more than competitive against a lot of the super-light Ti-bodied suppressors.

So I hadda have one. Except I've been wanting a centerfire pistol can, too, and the Thermal Defense wouldn't do double-duty. And while I've been searching between sofa cushions and checking the coin returns in the soda machines outside Walmart to help me finance it, this comes along:



Fuck me runnin'. It's rated for everything from 10" 5.56 to .338 Lapua. And full-auto. It's a two-piece design so you only need the 9-ounce bit for 5.56 and 9mm. Which makes it barely more than an ounce heavier than the lightest 5.56 TDI can.

It's $1200 but it's also two or three suppressors in one. CF handgun, small caliber CF rifle, and magnum rifle.


The video is mondo-cool. There's a bit of a guy with a full-auto FN P-90, a great gun for a suppressor. The 5.7 is a pretty marginal handgun cartridge but not so bad when fired full-auto from a 10" bbl with a 50-round magazine. And a suppressor. There's also a suppressed Garand in there, don't see those every day.

And a suppressed revolver, an 1895 Nagant. The reason for suppressing such an oddball weapon is there's NO GAP between the cylinder and the barrel.



The Nagant fires a 7.62mm cartridge with a "funnel" at the mouth of the case (cartridge at far left in pic above). The case is so long it protrudes slightly when loaded into the cylinder. And when you cock the hammer, as the cylinder rotates it also slides forward in the frame so it actually inserts the mouth of the casing into the forcing cone of the barrel. Leaving no air gap between cylinder and barrel. It was designed in the belief that the energy lost to that gap was significant enough that the measly 7.62 would be a powerhouse of a cartridge without all that leakage. That didn't so much work out but it did make a revolver better suited to suppressing. But if you watch closely you can see the cartridges he's loading don't protrude from the cylinder, so they're not 7.62 Nagant, probably .32 S&W Long. But the air gap is still very small even without the overlong Nagant cartridge case.

I love the suppressed lever guns at the end. Teddy Roosevelt had a suppressed 1894 Winchester that was his favorite western plains meat gun. But the Trumpster doesn't like suppressors. Doesn't like them at all.

[almostgone]

Never knew that about the 1895 Nagant. Pretty funky design.

One of the job shops I worked at long ago had a moderate size contract of mainly Inconel or Waspalloy components that were ordered by Redstone Arsenal.
3D printing would have been a game changer back then.

[Beetlegeuse]

SOCOM bought some bullets from a company called DSG Tech that are engineered for shooting underwater (or through water), giving rise to speculation that they have a renewed interest in shooting people underwater. The solid copper model is supposedly good for 15 meters penetration through water and the tungsten core version is double that.


I *think* this is the same projectile

The bullets are called "supercavitating" and apparently it comes down to a blunt-ish meplat that causes enough cavitation to envelop the rest of the projectile in air bubbles as it flies through the water, like the Sovietski Shkval cavitating submarine-launched torpedo.

Also similar to an anti-mine system the navy was tinkering with about 20 years ago. It was a sabotted fin-stabilized 30mm round fired from the same chain gun as the AH-64 Apache uses. It was designed to be fired from anti-submarine copters flying over the water (naturally) but to still have enough penetration to reach down to the depth that a static mine might be lurking at (which basically means the same as the draft of a warship).


Mk 258 Armor Piercing, Fin Stabilized, Discarding Sabot-Tracer (APFSDS-T)
Anti-Mine Projectile Hydroballistic Ammo 30mm Ammunition


There's interesting videos at the link at top, including shooting (from what I think is a SCAR) it in a plastic swimming pool (which apparently was patched with duct tape from earlier tests) on high-speed video. The mfgr's site is here..

Also interesting that they're engineered for adequate terminal performance both in and out of the water, and it's armor-piercing. There's a video of it going through 13 blocks of ballistic gel, and I don't know the length of each but I'd guess 18 inches.

But I'll be what it ain't is cheap.

[Beetlegeuse]

STOP THE PRESSES!!!!

They're finally building the Glock of my dreams, the G-44.

It's a rimfire. No shit, a .22LR. And it's the EXACT same size as G-19.

Now there's actually hope Glock might some day build a BB pistol!

[Ernst]

STOP THE PRESSES!!!!

They're finally building the Glock of my dreams, the G-44.

It's a rimfire. No shit, a .22LR. And it's the EXACT same size as G-19.

Now there's actually hope Glock might some day build a BB pistol!

So naturally it will be unavailable CA.

Hopefully slide assembly and mag will drop onto a gen 3 G19 so maybe I could convert someday.

[Beetlegeuse]

The Pennsylvania Attorney General has unilaterally overturned a duly passed state law and declared an 80% receiver to be a firearm.


AG Shapiro, Gov. Wolf: 80% Receivers Are Firearms

My Office is taking the initial step of clarifying – through my official, legal opinion – that under Pennsylvania law, 80% receivers are firearms and can be treated, regulated, and enforced as such. The proliferation of these untraceable weapons strikes at the heart of our public safety, hindering law enforcement’s ability to protect our communities. Today, we take the first step in addressing this problem.

If we don’t recognize that 80 percent receivers are firearms under Pennsylvania law, we are creating a giant loophole that allows criminals to skirt our agreed-upon laws that keep people safe. Changing this classification will not hurt legal, responsible gun owners – This change will stop criminals, terrorists and other people who can’t pass a background check from acquiring a gun through the loophole.

All this over something that is used in a tiny, tiny fraction of ARs, which are used in a very small percentage of gun crimes. Tempest in a teapot.

This is just one step removed from declaring raw aluminum bauxite (the most common aluminum ore) a firearm.

[Beetlegeuse]

Some dumbass Canuks (no offense to any Canuks who aren't dumbasses) are suing S&W because their loved one was killed by a perp using an S&W handgun that lacked smart gun technology.

Not making this shit up. They're suing S&W for not offering a technology THAT DOES NOT EXIST.

Which clearly flies in the face of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act but they doubtless will go "judge-shopping" to find some marxist judge eager to legislate from the bench who will rule that PLCAA does not apply because there's a blue moon this month.

[Mr.Waffles]

[Mr.Waffles]

You cant go wrong with a fnx. excellent 45 .

Even better surpressed

[C27H40O3]

The Pennsylvania Attorney General has unilaterally overturned a duly passed state law and declared an 80% receiver to be a firearm.


AG Shapiro, Gov. Wolf: 80% Receivers Are Firearms





All this over something that is used in a tiny, tiny fraction of ARs, which are used in a very small percentage of gun crimes. Tempest in a teapot.

This is just one step removed from declaring raw aluminum bauxite (the most common aluminum ore) a firearm.

have the manufacturers just leave an extra aluminum tab on them, that has to be ground off, so they are 78% finished instead of 80% finished, and therefore they wont be subject to the new law.

[C27H40O3]

You can't trust people anymore. Never know when you will come across a crazy. I was working way out in the slums today and this motherfucker comes running over at me with a pair of scissors!

Luckily I had a rock in my pocket. If I had reached for paper I woulda been fucked.

too funny. my nephew got it right away.

[Ernst]

Damn I want a Sig P232.

I shot one in stainless and it was one of the most comfortable firearms I've ever held. Fits like a glove, light recoil, bullets just seem to land where you will them to.

They're discontinued in the US and have been for years so I'll have to find one private party.

[Mr.Waffles]

P 365 trigger is really rough. If I were you I would look glock 43.






QUOTE=kelkel;7440253]What's your favorite IWB CC?
Ok, doesn't have to be IWB.....
Always looking for something new.
Considering the Sig P365 or similar but not even close to a decision.[/QUOTE]

[Beetlegeuse]

The only 365 I've shot had a substantially better trigger feel than any Glock I've ever shot (close to a crisp SAO trigger) except a custom Zev my nephew has. The reviewers all tend to agree the Sig's trigger is better but for some reason most can shoot the Glock better. Mebbe because they've spent years acclimatizing to its quirks.

Anyway, a trigger job will put the Sig right (if you get a rough one) but the G43's 4-round deficiency is a tougher nut to crack. Start with the G26 and at least you've got the same standard capacity magazines.

[DADDYDBOL]

Merry Christmas to me

[Beetlegeuse]

Very nice, DADDYDBO. But in the future you might want to consider photoshopping off the serial numbers before you post pictures.

NOTICE: Facebook And Google Indexing Your Firearm Serial Numbers

...It appears Google, with the help of Facebook, is archiving this information and making it easier to aggregate....

It's gun registration by another name.

[Beetlegeuse]

Roogur is now selling a 5.7mmx28 autopistol.

click to embiggen

So my first question is, "Why?" It's not like the 5.7 cartridge has set the gun world on fire. And besides FN's Five seveN , which was created to be a same-cartridge sidearm to accompany the FN P90 personal defense weapon, and the various AR "pistols" chambered in 5.7x28, there already are a couple of small market manufacturers making 5.7 pistols. It seems to me it's a very small market already divided three ways. It is $600 cheaper than the Five-Seven, plus it has an all-steel slide, versus the FN's polymer-encased steel slide, which gives the gun a toy-like and plasticy-appearance. But it seems the me the Roogur's biggest obstacle ... is that cartridge.

[Proximal]

Going to take some private lessons before purchasing.

Alright completely stupid-ass question. I’ve been shooting before, can’t imagine shooting without ear protection, loud as all hell (duh). Are silencers really hard to get a hold of? I did say it was a stupid-as question, but I’ve learned to trust the judgment of a lot of you here.

[Beetlegeuse]

Silencers are one of the devices controlled by the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934. Machineguns and short-barreled shotguns also fall under the same law. You can still own one but the government decided they would put a tax on them to limit their growth. 1934 was slap-dab in the middle of the Great Depression and they put a tax on them of $200, which they figured would put them out of reach of most folks. Except the price has never gone up. It's still $200.

So you fill out the ATF's paperwork (BATFE Form 4), get a fingerprint card, a passport photo and a signature from a chief law enforcement officer (chief of police of sheriff) and send it to the ATF along with a check for $200. Then you wait. Typical turn-around time is six months.

The paperwork has to identify the device by serial number and no gun shop is going to let you use their serial number unless you've bought it so you buy the silencer and the dealer keeps it until the paperwork comes back. They'll refund your money if the application is rejected but the $200 tax fee is gone regardless.

What comes back is a stamp no larger than a postage stamp affixed to an 8.5x11 piece of paper with all the details of your device. People think NFA devices are licensed or permitted but that's not true, they're just taxed.

So the process is a bit of a nutroll. And some jurisdictions apply rules stricter than the federal government's and do not allow private citizens to own suppressors. So you'll have to check you're local laws. I'm in a gun-friendly state and not only can I own a silencer, I can do any damn thing with it I want, hunt with it even.

Rimfire suppressors typically are about $250 and centerfire $600-$1400. And this doesn't include the $200 tax. Prices vary considerably with the lighter and more expensive ones containing more exotic materials.

Technically you can't loan a suppressor to anybody else (so you can't borrow a buddy's to try it, but he can let you use it in his presence) and you're supposed to advise the ATF before transporting it across state lines.

Some people get all high and mighty if you don't call it a "suppressor" because they're nowhere near silent. In England they call them "sound moderators." Some people call them "cans" which has a cool factor right up there with calling a rifle a "bang stick" or a "smoke pole." The Form 4 uses the word "silencer" and Hiram Maxim, who invented the damn things, called them "silencers."

Most suppressors are "hearing safe" in theory but I still wear hearing protection except when I'm shooting rimfire suppressed. My rimfire can is about as loud as a slamming car door. Centerfire suppressors are quite a bit louder, most are rated a bit more than 130 dBs, give or take, which is about as loud as a thunderclap. Idiots who don't know shit about guns fear suppressors because they think you can use them to kill people and nobody will hear the shot, but that's just ignorance.

Before I bought one I didn't realize how useful they are. Shooters condition themselves to ignore the muzzle blast their gun produces every time you shoot, but that's an accommodation and not the ideal situation. A suppressor slows the gasses down to subsonic so there is far less muzzle blast. We're all tough he-men so nobody acknowledges that dealing with muzzle blast all day is taxing, but it is. You just pretend to ignore it. But it matters to me because I remain fresher and more alert at a long shooting session. And especially long-range shooting takes a lot of focus and concentration, and you can shoot sharper longer if you're not dealing with muzzle blast.

Plus suppressors tend to make most rifles slightly more accurate for sort of the same reason. The bullet has the barrel corked and there's a swarm of angry, hot gas behind it. As soon as the bullet leaves the muzzle it uncorks all that gas, that gas actually shoots out faster than the bullet (about 1.6x as fast with a typical rifle round). In overtaking the bullet the bullet gets beaten up by the muzzle blast as well, which tends to reduce accuracy a touch. But shooting a suppressor prevents that and lets the bullet fly truer.

[Proximal]

TY for that! So def doable, glad to know.

Just thought of the realistic situation of using in my home with an intruder. I don’t want my cat to be deaf (he’s on me like my shadow) & I still want to hear the police when they arrive.

Again, TY.

[Beetlegeuse]

I've had people (who don't know which end of the tube the bullet comes out of) ask me what business the military has with suppressors. I tell them you wouldn't ask that question if you'd ever been in an interior stairwell when a bunch of door-kicking motherfuckers firing 14.5" M4 carbines cut loose on full auto. Even with hearing protection, the concussion from all the muzzle blasts is battering. Suppressors reduce both the noise and the battering.

I decided over the holidays that my next gun buy is going to be a SilencerCo Maxim 9, which is an integrally suppressed 9mm autoloader. For that very reason, to use for my nightstand pistol.



The Maxim 9 (at bottom) looks like something out of a cheesy Sci-Fi flick but it's based on an S&W M&P. What's above it is a Glock 17 with a typical handgun suppressor and you can see how much shorter the Maxim 9 is. Plus it can be shorter still because there's about a 1" section that's user-removable at the expense of level of noise reduction.

It's not only shorter than anything else with a reasonably effective silencer, it's also cheaper than buying a gun and silencer separately. I have a bone in my head that prevents me buying the first model of anything so I'm going to let that simmer a while and probably get one in the summer.


However, the proper role of a handgun in home defense is to use it to fight your way to wherever you've left you're long gun. Defense of home and hearth definitely merits a rifle or scattergun.

[Proximal]

This is why I asked this question here. Beetle, TY for the advice & explanations!

[Beetlegeuse]

Only certain FFLs can sell NFA devices. They're called "Class III" dealers because they have to pay a class 3 special occupational tax for the privilege of dealing in NFA devices. So some shooters (mistakenly) refer to them as "Class III weapons." The SOT is a business tax and Class III has absolutely nothing to do with the weapon (or suppressor), and the end user doesn't directly pay any part of that tax when he buys the device (other than the profit from the sale helps the dealer pay for all of his business overhead in general).

So you'll be looking for a Class III dealer but what you buy from him is not a Class III device. There are no Class III devices.

And oh by the way, in the eyes of the ATF a suppressor is a firearm, even when there's no gun attached to it. Which gives you keen insight into the mindless arbitrariness of the ATF. And it's the same with certain gun parts. The part of a gun that the serial number is affixed to is generally considered (by ATF) to be a firearm, even if it isn't built into a functional gun.

[Beetlegeuse]

Inconvenient Truths About Guns and Gun Control

Ammoland Inc. Posted on January 3, 2020 by Rob Morse

U.S.A. –-(Ammoland.com)- Politicians and journalists often portray fiction as fact. It is easy to be opinionated, but hard to be informed. This came to mind as I listened to Virginia Democrats tell us we’d be safer if we were disarmed. What is the truth about gun-control laws? What politicians say a law will do might have nothing to do with what the law actually does. Lives are at stake when gun-control laws fail. Saying that the next gun-control law is necessary to stop violent crime admits that the 23 thousand firearms regulations already on the books didn’t work as advertised. It is a rare politician who admits how limited the government really is when it comes to public safety.

Fortunately, we’ve lived with firearms for several hundred years. We know some things that work. Here are a few inconvenient truths I’ve found after a few decades of study.

Inconvenient Truth: Most gun-related deaths are suicides, not murders. Unfortunately, restrictions on firearms have not reduced the rate of suicide. Fortunately, informed gun owners are reaching out to other gun owners who are dealing with mental illness. Mental health treatment works. We’re changing the gun culture for the better, no thanks to the politicians.

Inconvenient Truth: Most murders with a firearm in the United States are committed by members of criminal gangs. The police know who most of these murderers are. Gun-control laws that restrict the actions of honest gun owners have not changed the actions of known criminals. Most of the young people shot with guns are gang members who were shot by other gang members. Unfortunately, some of the victims are also innocent bystanders or victims of crime. Disarming the innocent victims doesn’t stop the criminals.

Inconvenient Truth: Background checks don’t reduce the rate of violent crime. Criminals don’t buy their guns at gun shops or gun shows. Criminals get their guns the same way they get their drugs; they get them illegally from other criminals. (By the way, there is no gun-show loophole. Every law that applies outside a gun show also applies inside a gun show.)

Inconvenient Truth: Honest gun owners do not cause crime. In fact, licensed concealed carry holders are both more law-abiding and more accurate with their guns than the police. Civilians with a permit to carry a gun in public are the most law-abiding group that sociologists can find.

Inconvenient Truth: Civilian gun ownership is the most cost-effective way to reduce violent crime.

Inconvenient Truth: Owning a gun does not make you more likely to be a victim of violent crime. It is true that people who live in high-crime areas are more likely to want a firearm for personal protection. People tend to be more sensitive about personal safety when someone they know have been victims of violent crime. Gun ownership is often a response to criminal violence rather than the cause of it.

Inconvenient Truth: Criminals don’t often take a person’s gun and hurt them with it. There are more examples of victims disarming criminals than criminals disarming victims.

Inconvenient Truth: A sexual assault almost never becomes rape if the victim is armed. The armed victim is such an uninviting target that the attacker usually runs away once he sees that the victim is armed.

Inconvenient Truth: Criminals don’t fight fair. There are usually several criminals attacking a single victim. We civilians are the first victims of crime. Police are our backup and usually arrive after the fight is over.

Here is one last inconvenient truth: Politicians often exempt themselves from the laws they pass. Some politicians own guns. They must think guns are useful. Some politicians have armed security. They must think guns make them safer. If politicians don’t live by the gun regulations they want for us, then the politicians don’t believe in gun control.

I agree with what these gun-control politicians do even if I disagree with what they say, and that is the truth.

The world isn’t safe. If you don’t believe me, then ask a policeman who deals with criminals every day. The policeman wants a firearm because he lives in a dangerous world. Unfortunately, the average criminal will victimize over 20 civilians before the policeman catches him. That is why you and I need a firearm too. We have to protect ourself and our loved ones until the police arrive, and we only call the police after we’ve been attacked. There is no doubt that self-defense is inconvenient, but I’d rather be inconvenienced now than be a helpless victim later. To make matters worse, you don’t get to pick when you might be attacked. ;-(

[DADDYDBOL]

Very nice, DADDYDBO. But in the future you might want to consider photoshopping off the serial numbers before you post pictures.

NOTICE: Facebook And Google Indexing Your Firearm Serial Numbers




It's gun registration by another name.

Thank you sir just learned something new. I admit being in Texas and not having a registry has me a bit sloppy.

[Beetlegeuse]

Donald Trump Jr poses on Instagram with "special" AR-15



Besides the Crusader iconography, the inside of the dust cover is boldly stamped "Made In U.S.A." and the MagPul magazine is embossed with a caricature of Hitlery Klinton ... behind bars.





Aloha Snackbar!

[C27H40O3]

Donald Trump Jr poses on Instagram with "special" AR-15



Besides the Crusader iconography, the inside of the dust cover is boldly stamped "Made In U.S.A." and the MagPul magazine is embossed with a caricature of Hitlery Klinton ... behind bars.





Aloha Snackbar!

Entitled punk

Reminds me of those fake bikers, young punks or old dentists and accountants ,who put $10,000 of chrome doodads on their Harley, and never go farther than the local yuppie bar.


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[Obs]

That lower is kick ass

[Beetlegeuse]

‘Fast And Furious’ Gunman Who Killed US Border Patrol Agent Is Sentenced To Life In Prison

Fast and Furious was a scheme cooked up by Sheikh Obama (piss be upon him), ostensibly to reduce the drug trafficking into the US. They allowed FFLs in Arizona to sell guns to known straw man buyers in the belief that they would be taken back to Mexico for the drug cartels. Except they didn't bother to put any measures in place to track the weapons (no 'hidden' GPS, etc) which means the guns disappeared the moment the buyer walked out of the gun shop. So the net effect was that this plan was only ever going to cause an increase in gun violence which, truth be told, Obama (PBUH) was planning all along, intending to use it as justification for more stringent anti-gun laws.

Except one of those guns was used to kill a federal agent, US Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. And now the trigger man has been convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison. But no one in the Obama (PBUH) administration has yet been taken to task for causing the gun that killed Agent Terry to be illegally exported from the country and placed in cartel hands.

[Beetlegeuse]

RE: Roogur deciding to sell a pistol in 5.7x28, Speer has a new line of 5.7x28 ammo with Gold Dots intended for self defense use.

I admit I have a man-crush on DocGKR (Dr Gary Roberts) and take a lot of stock in his duty and sd/hd ammo recommendations. And there's a whole lot of Gold Dots on his list. There's even a Gold Dot on the "barrier blind" list for .223, which is the closest cartridge to the 5.7x28 on his list. And my experience with them has been very favorable, so I tend to be kindly disposed toward Gold Dots in general.

The problem with that cartridge (5.7x28mm) always has been two-fold. First, it was designed for use in a (damned ugly) shoulder-fired fully-automatic weapon with a 10" barrel and a 50-round magazine. Even with a 20-rd (standard) magazine it's still somewhat out of its element in a handgun with a barrel less than half that long. Second, it was designed for use by members of NATO and so was subject to the tenets of the Hague Conventions. Which gets into the hollowpoint thing (...[A]bstain from the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core or is pierced with incisions....), which does not apply to civilian users.

So maybe Roogur read the tea leaves and is banking on Speer's new Gold Dot load making the 5.7 a more formidable sd/hd round.

[Beetlegeuse]

Donald Trump Jr poses on Instagram with "special" AR-15.

Besides the Crusader iconography, the inside of the dust cover is boldly stamped "Made In U.S.A." and the MagPul magazine is embossed with a caricature of Hitlery Klinton ... behind bars.

The Communist News Network is calling this photo a "hate crime." I shit you not.



Even if you despise the Trumps it's got to warm the cockles of your heart how they keep the snowflakes spun up.

[Beetlegeuse]

IWI is going to open a factory for making weapons in the US. Initially they'll build AR-15s but the article speculates that they'll also eventually use the US factory to build weapons they already make (or will soon) in Israel but can't import into the US, like the (soon to be introduced) Masada compact and the Carmel rifle.

The model name of their AR is 'Zion-15.' Which seems a bit tone-deaf to me but, then again, anybody who is offended by the use of the name "Zion" in a positive sense probably isn't going to buy anything from IWI anyway.

[C27H40O3]

Here are a few of my Glocks

My competition gun. My everyday carry. And my back up/ deep cover carry.

Attachment 174285

That Glock 42 aint much for backup/deep cover.

Try a Seecamp in a T-shirt pocket. This is not mine, but you get the idea.

[Obs]

That Glock 42 aint much for backup/deep cover.

Try a Seecamp in a T-shirt pocket. This is not mine, but you get the idea.

Looks like a sear slipping full auto at random ring of fire pistol

[Obs]

I guess its not a rig of fire mfg but tjats all I can think any time I see something similar looking to the baby browning

[C27H40O3]

Even if you despise the Trumps it's got to warm the cockles of your heart how they keep the snowflakes spun up.

Trump and the republican congress he had for the first two years was an utter disappointment to gun owners. All that hype that he had at his rallies for the "2A crowd" was more of his bullshit.

Where is the national reciprocity law that was promised?

All his talk about gutting regulations. Did he gut the regulations of the ATF? NO! He appointed lobbyists at the upper levels of many federal agencies. Did he appoint any NRA or firearms company lobbyists to the ATF? NO!

Meet the lobbyists Trump has appointed to run the government

https://bulletin.represent.us/meet-l...un-government/

Everything he does is to hook up his rich friends, not to help out the average working man.

What that clown did do is ban bumpstocks.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...Final-Rule.pdf

"The Department of Justice is amending the regulations of the Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) to clarify that bump-stock-type
devices-meaning "bump fire" stocks, slide-fire devices, and devices with certain similar
characteristics-are "machineguns" as defined by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and
the Gun Control Act of 1968 because such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic
firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger."

He should have banned the belt loops on pants.




Obama's ATF looked at the issue, and found that bump stocks are legal, and are not machine guns.

Trump's ATF looks at the issue and comes to the opposite conclusion. WTF??

I dont have a bumpstock, I never used one. I dont care about bump stocks, per se. It is just a slippery slope that this republican president has us going down now.

[C27H40O3]

This brother best sums up how egregious the whole bump stock ban is. Give it 11 minutes of your time if you care about this issue. He points out how gun owners are always asked to compromise, but we never get offered anything in return. He is sharp and on point. Remember, protection of the Second Amendment, just like the other amendments on the Bill of Rights, is a civil rights issue and should be framed as such.

[C27H40O3]

Here's my last post on the issue. See this video for a discussion on how dangerous this tyrannical president is with his Executive Orders, the same shit this hypocritical windbag in the Whitehouse complained about when Obama did it.

[Obs]

Here's my last post on the issue. See this video for a discussion on how dangerous this tyrannical president is with his Executive Orders, the same shit this hypocritical windbag in the Whitehouse complained about when Obama did it.

Exactly.
If obama had done this republicans would have pitch a fit. They would have been psychotic.

But... They just keep chasing that party and kissing his feet. Its exactly why it doesnt matter who you vote for.
A progressive will get away with things a democrat can't. The next democrat will expand on this all further and further. Extensive high cap restrictions on a federal level will come very soon.

[Beetlegeuse]

Trijicon is getting a new laser range finder ready for the market that also reads the wind.



It uses lidar to measure the movement of particulates in the air to measure the wind in three dimensions at six ranges.

I don't think anyone has yet seen even a prototype "in the wild" but there are several websites offering technical insight into how it works, but I can't find what I consider the most important detail. I haven't seen anything that says the 'standard' device does anything except read the wind and provide the shooter the raw data.



This (from Trijicon's website) presumably is a simulation of the image seen through the viewfinder. And all it would appear to give the shooter ... is raw data. So it's still up to the shooter to incorporate that raw data into his firing solution. Which means it's still shooter experience über alles.

This guy says it's going to be retail for $8000. And the optional Bluetooth costs another $500. Bluetooth lets the LRF communicate with their app on your smartphone to produce a true ballistic solution. So I'd call the 'standard' device YUGELY overpriced and I think it's pretty damn cheesy of Trijicon to even offer a version without Bluetooth. Or without a ballistic solution computer built into the device itself.

It will range to 5000 yards but only read the wind to 500. Which is pretty paltry in wind-reading terms but I suspect that will improve with time, provided they sell enough of these for 8 thou.