You'll want to read this!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Is there a big difference in having dextrose vs just gatorade for pwo? Not at all. The whole post workout argument on which carbohydrate source is superior is simply a complete waste of time! And quite often it's governed towards trying to sell you a supplement. I prefer a banana just because it taste good. Sometimes I go with an apple. Also a guy told me if you take "Dell" it can lower blood pressure if it increases on cycle or if you already have high BP, is this good or is there a different thing I should use? Go with real food products for both post-workout carbs and post-workout protein! Thanks!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie. I was rereading the first part of the Slingshot method and have a question on actual workouts. I'm a powerlifter and would like to know your opinion on the Westside Louis Simmons method of training. Specifically the 1 max effort workout and the 1 speed day workout per week for each lift. What are your thoughts on the multiple short rest 45-90 seconds between sets on speed day? The Westside Louis Simmons method for power-lifting is very good. The reason for the speed day using less rest time between sets has to do with building explosive power and strength endurance which helps with both coming out of the hole and being able to finish getting the weight up. For example, when doing bench presses you need explosive-power developed through speed training to get the bar off your chest and then you need strength-endurance by performing multiple short- rest- sets to continue pushing through with the movement when you hit a sticking point. is this beneficial or too short of a rest period. Also Westside basically maxs out on some movement each week. Not necessarily the lift itself but something that is supposed to benefit the lift. It may be inclines or weighted dips for the bench press or just a max set of 6, 8 or 10 reps. Thanks man.

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[Dtrain17]

My first ever cycle was going to be test at 500 like you said, my 2nd reload I was thinking Eq with it to help with appetite. Should I include masteron there too? Also if I was to do Adrol which decreases appetite w/ Eq which increases it, would that be an okay idea?

[Ronnie Rowland]

My first ever cycle was going to be test at 500 like you said, my 2nd reload I was thinking Eq with it to help with appetite. Should I include masteron there too? Yes include masteron and keep in test as well. Also if I was to do Adrol which decreases appetite w/ Eq which increases it, would that be an okay idea? No one can answer this question with accuracy. You will have to try it and see how it works for your body chemistry. Keep in mind EQ does not increase everyones appetite. I have seen some have a decrease in appetite. Also, some get extremely nauseated with anadrol while others are perfectly fine.

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[mockery]

Thanks for taking time to help educate me a little bit more.

not sure if you over looked this one by accident, in my wall of text but i want to put a order in in a few days and wanna make sure i have my numbers right.

6.) Looking a head for a year of my outline of anabolic use and was thinking of linear dosage and was wondering if you think these numbers would work , please bare with me if this makes me look like a chump.
Reload 1 450mg Test E & 400mg Masteron
Reload 2 600mg Test E & 600mg Masteron thinking of going 750mg test on this one instead.
Reload 3 750mg Test E & 700mg Masteron
Reload 4 900mg Test E & 800mg Masteron
Reload 5 1050mg Test E & 900mg Masteron

can you help shed some light on this? or does the second blast really need to be double of the first?

thanks again!!

[Dtrain17]

For the first cycle I said I'd do 500 test and 2nd reload would be with eq, how much eq should I go with as well as masteron if I add that in for test being at 500, and also test at 750 (not sure which i'll go with).

[Ronnie Rowland]

For the first cycle I said I'd do 500 test and 2nd reload would be with eq, how much eq should I go with as well as masteron if I add that in for test being at 500, and also test at 750 (not sure which i'll go with).Go with 600 mgs of EQ and 300 mgs of mast along with your test dosages during first 2 reloads..

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[Peter32]

Hey ronnie

I am about to start a new cycle after only 2 weeks off (test e 500mg ) considering jumping straight back into my 2 nd cycle but of deca 300 (300mg per wk)an test e (600mg per wk) I didn't read all post 285pages full but what was your view on AI an PCT ?? An being I've had 2 weeks off in full from training an steroids should I just use your blast training (reload-Deload) or slingshot blast training ( low an high volume sets per wk)?? How do you perform your reps tempo? 2/1/2/1 ??

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey ronnie

I am about to start a new cycle after only 2 weeks off (test e 500mg ) considering jumping straight back into my 2 nd cycle but of deca 300 (300mg per wk)an test e (600mg per wk) I didn't read all post 285pages full but what was your view on AI an PCT ?? Use anti-es during pct only if they are used while on cycle or if hcg causes you to have gyno symptoms. .An being I've had 2 weeks off in full from training an steroids should I just use your blast training (reload-Deload) or slingshot blast training ( low an high volume sets per wk)?? Higher volume for 8 week reload and lower volume for 2 week deloads. How do you perform your reps tempo? 2/1/2/1 ?? It varies on the exercise used so there is no set rule. 2/1 is in the ballpark. Just don't use momentum so you make sure and stimulate the target muscle to the maximum, get a full range of motion to the best of your ability without over stretching your tendons, and lift the weights smoothly don't throw them around.

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[Peter32]

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Thanks heaps Ronnie your advice is greatly appreciated and can't wait to start this new program I'm hoping on my next reload to do a cutting phase using Anavor (first time) what dosage should I use and should this be stacked with a larger test e dose aswell?? Thinking since reducing body fat at this point would be my goal would a twice a week per body part reload phase be appropriate??

Cheers again for your advice

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks heaps Ronnie your advice is greatly appreciated and can't wait to start this new program I'm hoping on my next reload to do a cutting phase using Anavor (first time) what dosage should I use and should this be stacked with a larger test e dose aswell?? 40mgs of var and fairly high dose of test is good hanging onto muscle/strength while cutting. I would add masteron as well to help eliminate water retention. Thinking since reducing body fat at this point would be my goal would a twice a week per body part reload phase be appropriate?? Stick to training each muscle only once a week while dieting down. Twice a week muscle training is harder on the joints because you will have less water/fat to cushion them.

Cheers again for your advice

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[noon]

Great read lots to implement. into my routines

[VASCULAR VINCE]

reverse bench press..verses...inclines for upper chest

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=VASCULAR VINCE;6090575]reverse bench press..verses...inclines for upper chest [B]IMO most people get very little overall chest development from incline presses, including the upper pecs . Muscle stimulation of the upper chest during incline presses only increases by about 5% as compared to the flat or slight decline press bench press. But muscle stimulation in the front deltoids increased by a whopping 85%! This is why I recommend incline presses on a standard incline press at around 30-45 degrees for those who have weak front delts instead of front raises to supplement to their overhead shoulder presses. Incline presse work the front delts more so than overhead persses because the side heads of the delts are strongly stimulated during overhead shoulder presses.

The neck press using a wide grip is superior to incline presses for upper chest development but it's hard on the rotator cuffs. In addition, incline presses can put a lot of strain on the rotator cuffs and the muscles/disk located in the neck (cervical spine)! A better exercise to increase muscle stimulation in the upper chest regions is using a flat bench with a reverse grip because muscle stimulation of the upper chest increases by around 30% when using the reverse-grip as opposed to the regular over-hand grip . However, doing this with a bar puts way too much strain on the wrist, even when using a smith machine for balance control so the answer is using a life fitness dual cable flat chest press machine using a modified reverse grip. Turn the handles so that your palms are facing one another to prevent wrist strain. You also want to begin the movement with a grip slightly wider than your shoulders and then allow your arms to travel inwards and slighlty upwards during the contraction to stimulate the upper chest. The modified reverse grip still helps keep your elbows in close to the body and your upper arms parallel to your torso-hence increasing the stimulation of the of upper chest!You can use dumbells as well. NOTE: That funky so-called upper chest exercise you see people at the gym doing with cable where they bring their arms up in front up their body with palms facing upward does not stimulate the upper chest as some have been misled into believing but rather the anterior deltoids! [/B][/QUOTE]above

[VASCULAR VINCE]

big ron..thoughts on masteron .......during pct????

[Ronnie Rowland]

big ron..thoughts on masteron .......during pct???? Do not use masteron during PCT! Even though masteron has anti-estrogen properties it also has moderate anabolic properties that will delay full testicular function.

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[VASCULAR VINCE]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6092216]

reverse bench press..verses...inclines for upper chest [B]IMO most people get very little overall chest development from incline presses, including the upper pecs . Muscle stimulation of the upper chest during incline presses only increases by about 5% as compared to the flat or slight decline press bench press. But muscle stimulation in the front deltoids increased by a whopping 85%! This is why I recommend incline presses on a standard incline press at around 30-45 degrees for those who have weak front delts instead of front raises to supplement to their overhead shoulder presses. Incline presse work the front delts more so than overhead persses because the side heads of the delts are strongly stimulated during overhead shoulder presses.

The neck press using a wide grip is superior to incline presses for upper chest development but it's hard on the rotator cuffs. In addition, incline presses can put a lot of strain on the rotator cuffs and the muscles/disk located in the neck (cervical spine)! A better exercise to increase muscle stimulation in the upper chest regions is using a flat bench with a reverse grip because muscle stimulation of the upper chest increases by around 30% when using the reverse-grip as opposed to the regular over-hand grip . However, doing this with a bar puts way too much strain on the wrist, even when using a smith machine for balance control so the answer is using a life fitness dual cable flat chest press machine using a modified reverse grip. Turn the handles so that your palms are facing about halfway up or just slighty more so-just to the point your wrist are not put at risk for being strained or in pain. You also want to begin the movement with a grip slightly wider than your shoulders and then allow your arms to travel inwards and slighlty upwards during the contraction. The modified reverse grip still helps keep your elbows in close to the body and your upper arms parallel to your torso-hence increasing the stimulation of the of upper chest! That funky so-called upper chest exercise you see people at the gym doing with cable where they bring their arms up in front up their body with palms facing upward does not stimulate the upper chest as some have been misled into believing but rather the anterior deltoids! [/B][/QUOTE]above

greatly appreciated big ron!!! giving this a try my man!!!!!

[Brohim]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6092216]

reverse bench press..verses...inclines for upper chest [B]IMO most people get very little overall chest development from incline presses, including the upper pecs . Muscle stimulation of the upper chest during incline presses only increases by about 5% as compared to the flat or slight decline press bench press. But muscle stimulation in the front deltoids increased by a whopping 85%! This is why I recommend incline presses on a standard incline press at around 30-45 degrees for those who have weak front delts instead of front raises to supplement to their overhead shoulder presses. Incline presse work the front delts more so than overhead persses because the side heads of the delts are strongly stimulated during overhead shoulder presses.

The neck press using a wide grip is superior to incline presses for upper chest development but it's hard on the rotator cuffs. In addition, incline presses can put a lot of strain on the rotator cuffs and the muscles/disk located in the neck (cervical spine)! A better exercise to increase muscle stimulation in the upper chest regions is using a flat bench with a reverse grip because muscle stimulation of the upper chest increases by around 30% when using the reverse-grip as opposed to the regular over-hand grip . However, doing this with a bar puts way too much strain on the wrist, even when using a smith machine for balance control so the answer is using a life fitness dual cable flat chest press machine using a modified reverse grip. Turn the handles so that your palms are facing one another to prevent wrist strain. You also want to begin the movement with a grip slightly wider than your shoulders and then allow your arms to travel inwards and slighlty upwards during the contraction to stimulate the upper chest. The modified reverse grip still helps keep your elbows in close to the body and your upper arms parallel to your torso-hence increasing the stimulation of the of upper chest!You can use dumbells as well. NOTE: That funky so-called upper chest exercise you see people at the gym doing with cable where they bring their arms up in front up their body with palms facing upward does not stimulate the upper chest as some have been misled into believing but rather the anterior deltoids! [/B][/QUOTE]above

You have a video of this being performed you can cite? Would love to see it.

Also, for those men with Male Pattern Baldness, we know Masteron can cause hairloss; would 300mg of Masteron cause significant hairloss for guys with MPB? I have a little trouble getting ripped due to slow metabolism. I know Test/Tren/Mast. would be ideal but hairloss occurs with Tren and Mast so might just go with Test/Var or maybe add low dose Mast. and see how I fare? What do you think?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Brohim;6204747]

You have a video of this being performed you can cite? Would love to see it. I have not seen a video with the reverse bench press using cables but what I usually suggest for building the upper pecs is to find a hammer strength decline press machine (the plate loaded version "is not" the best option here!) where the handles travel together on the eccentric movement. Drop the seat down so that your arms are at about mid-chest level. Use a very wide grip and this will nail your upper chest without straining your wrist like the reverse grip bench press. It's my overall favorite upper chest movement. Most of us have dominant front delts so inclines work our front delts much more than our upper chest because the dominant muscle takes over the movement . The decline press machine with the seat in a more down position than used to hit the mid/lower pecs takes the front delts out of the movement to a large degree and allows us with dominant front delts to nail our upper pecs!!

Also, for those men with Male Pattern Baldness, we know Masteron can cause hairloss; would 300mg of Masteron cause significant hairloss for guys with MPB? Yes it can. I would recommend using only 100 mgs of masteron weekly for those with hairloss issues. I have a little trouble getting ripped due to slow metabolism. I know Test/Tren/Mast. would be ideal but hairloss occurs with Tren and Mast so might just go with Test/Var or maybe add low dose Mast. and see how I fare? What do you think? Go with test at 1 gram weekly, a little mast (100 mgs weekly) and 40 mgs of var daily. Focus on diet and then add in some cardio!

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[Dtrain17]

Originally Posted by Dtrain17
I know it depends but a lot of people say you absolutely need nolva or clomid to get back to normal even with hcg after a cycle , just wanna know for sure because i'm starting maybe in a month or two. Nothing concerning the human body can be interpreted in absolutes. It's okay to add nolva and clomid after a long cycle to ensure faster restoration but HCG is the main drug needed and I have seen full restoration of the testis time and time again with hcg alone. However, anytime anti-es are included in the cycle you need anti-es pct as well.
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Sorry it wouldn't let me quote, it loaded forever. So if I know nothing is set in stone but i'm getting ready for my first cycle, no Eq in this one b/c I wanna see how I react to test alone, and masteron for now isn't available, I think i'll take proviron though. Id like to know if I did the hcg during cycle, assuming no anti-e is needed, how much after cycle (keeping it less than you normally recommend)? I think I would use nolva also with the lower hcg (clomid I know isn't needed).

Do I need proviron after also (50mgs per day)?
How much nolva? If you could at least say what would work for the avg guy, I know there's no definite answer.
Your help is appreciated, thanks Ron. If I took hcg during cycle, could I stop it after and use nolva/clomid only? You could use that approach. I still prefer using some hcg post cycle for maximum results. Why don't you just continue using HCG at lower dosages for 2-3 weeks post cycle? That protocol would make it more affordable! I wanna do just hcg if I can but after the cycle when the dosages are way higher it gets really pricey, it would cost 115$/5000 iu's hcg for me which ends up being a lot when you use over 2000 iu's per day or around there plus on cycle. Thanks I really appreciate it!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Originally Posted by Dtrain17
I know it depends but a lot of people say you absolutely need nolva or clomid to get back to normal even with hcg after a cycle , just wanna know for sure because i'm starting maybe in a month or two. No you do not need nolva and clomid! Only hcg is needed unless you have been running an anti-es like masteron or aromasin during your cycle then you need an anti-es like nolvadex during pct. There are a few people who don't use anything for pct and bounce back fairly fast while most do not. I always recommend pct! Nothing concerning the human body can be interpreted in absolutes. It's okay to add nolva and clomid after a long cycle to ensure faster restoration but HCG is the main drug needed and I have seen full restoration of the testis time and time again with hcg alone. However, anytime anti-es are included in the cycle you need anti-es pct as well.
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Sorry it wouldn't let me quote, it loaded forever. So if I know nothing is set in stone but i'm getting ready for my first cycle, no Eq in this one b/c I wanna see how I react to test alone, and masteron for now isn't available, I think i'll take proviron though. Proviron is a very mild anti-es and nolvadex will be needed along with hcg pct if proviron is used! Id like to know if I did the hcg during cycle, assuming no anti-e is needed, how much after cycle (keeping it less than you normally recommend)? 500-1000 eod of hcg for 2 weeks and keep nolvadex in for 4 weeks. I think I would use nolva also with the lower hcg (clomid I know isn't needed).

Do I need proviron after also (50mgs per day)? You can use nolvadex and/or proviron pct. You could also run just 25mgs of proviron to help with your sex drive when coming off the androgens. Only 25 mgs of proviron per day will not have enough anabolic effect to counteract the hcg. Run either or both for 4 weeks.
pct. It's really just left up to you at this point because both ways will work. How much nolva? 40 daily If you could at least say what would work for the avg guy, I know there's no definite answer. hcg is what works for the average guy. I think adding in some nolvadex at 40 daily is a good plan and 25 of proviron daily is okay as well for those wanting a litle extra boost in libido.
Your help is appreciated, thanks Ron. If I took hcg during cycle, could I stop it after and use nolva/clomid only? You could use that approach. I still prefer using some hcg post cycle for maximum results. Why don't you just continue using HCG at lower dosages for 2-3 weeks post cycle? That protocol would make it more affordable! I wanna do just hcg if I can but after the cycle when the dosages are way higher it gets really pricey, it would cost 115$/5000 iu's hcg for me which ends up being a lot when you use over 2000 iu's per day or around there plus on cycle. Thanks I really appreciate it! Study explaining why it's okay to continune using proviron during pct: Int J Gynaecol Obstet. 1988 Feb;26(1):121-8.

The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic oligospermic men.

Varma TR, Patel RH.

Department of Obstetrics & Gynaecology, St. George's Hospital Medical School London, U.K.

Two hundred fifty subfertile men with idiopathic oligospermia (count less than 20 million/ml) were treated with mesterolone (100-150 mg/day) for 12 months. Seminal analysis were assa 3 times and serum follicle stimulating hormone (FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - ) luteinizing hormone (lh - leutenizing hormone - ) and plasma testosterone were assa once before treatment and repeated at 3, 6, 9 and 12 months after the initiation of treatment. One hundred ten patients (44%) had normal serum FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - , lh - leutenizing hormone - and plasma testosterone, 85 patients (34%) had low serum FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - , lh - leutenizing hormone - and low plasma testosterone. One hundred seventy-five patients (70%) had moderate oligospermia (count 5 to less than 20 million/ml) and 75 patients (30%) had severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million/ml). Seventy-five moderately oligospermic patients showed significant improvement in the sperm density, total sperm count and motility following mesterolone therapy whereas only 12% showed improvement in the severe oligospermic group. Mesterolone had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - and lh - leutenizing hormone - levels but had depressing effect on 25% if the levels were elevated. There was no significant adverse effect on testosterone levels or on liver function. One hundred fifteen (46%) pregnancies resulted following the treatment, 9 of 115 (7.8%) aborted and 2 (1.7%) had ectopic pregnancy. Mesterolone was found to be more useful in patients with a sperm count ranging between 5 and 20 million/ml. Those with severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million) do not seem to benefit from this therapy.

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[slimshady01]

Hey Ron whats up bud,

Im taking about 6-8 weeks off from my last 14 week cut "i cruise on 250". Do you think 6 weeks is enough or should i give my body a longer break? Ive been on for a while.

Ive come the the realization that i wont run test higher then 600 or my hair sheds like im on chemo.

Here is what i got for my next blast and i want your opinion on the best way to run under my circumstances.

I have 150 25mg Tbol caps
Test enth " as much as i need"
2 vials of Eq300 "never ran eq because i heard its a waste but willing to try.
Deca 250 as much as i need.


Help me put together a nice blast. My thoughts now are something like....

week 1-8
Test 500mg
Tbol 75mg a day until run out.
Should i put EQ in here? I would have enough for 750mg for 8 weeks? or save for last 8?


Weeks 11-18
Test 600
Deca 500?

I keep caber on hand not worried about sexual performance.. hasnt been hard on me yet with deca.

how would you put what i have on hand for a nice blast..?

Ive done a few Blasts so far and put on about 20lb of mass in the last 2 years so im pretty happy. I am a small frame with more of a physique body but im ok with that.

ive learned that cardio even while bulking keeps me leaner "3 days a week 45min"

I also learned "from you and Tom Venutos book burn the fat feed the muscle" That keeping my carbs and fats in seperate meals does an amazing job at keeping me lean.

First 3 meals carbs and protein "i train in the AM" and last 3 meals are Protein fats and veggies.

Again thanks for all your help, you have been a blessing.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron whats up bud,

Im taking about 6-8 weeks off from my last 14 week cut "i cruise on 250". Do you think 6 weeks is enough or should i give my body a longer break? Ive been on for a while. 6 weeks is plenty!
Ive come the the realization that i wont run test higher then 600 or my hair sheds like im on chemo. Then stay around 4-500 mgs weekly

Here is what i got for my next blast and i want your opinion on the best way to run under my circumstances.

I have 150 25mg Tbol caps
Test enth " as much as i need"
2 vials of Eq300 "never ran eq because i heard its a waste but willing to try.
Deca 250 as much as i need.


Help me put together a nice blast. My thoughts now are something like....

week 1-8
Test 500mg
Tbol 75mg a day until run out.
Should i put EQ in here? I would have enough for 750mg for 8 weeks? or save for last 8? save EQ for last 8 weeks to combine with test/deca.


Weeks 11-18
Test 600
Deca 500? You will want to drop test down to 400 because combining it with deca can cause hair loss . Keep deca at 400 as well. eq at 400 weekly. Basically 2cc per week of each compound. Do 1-3ml shots twice a week. Mix 1cc of test, 1cc of deca and 1cc of eq into one shot. Inject on something like Monday and Friday. I keep caber on hand not worried about sexual performance.. hasnt been hard on me yet with deca.

how would you put what i have on hand for a nice blast..?

Ive done a few Blasts so far and put on about 20lb of mass in the last 2 years so im pretty happy. I am a small frame with more of a physique body but im ok with that. You can't change your genetics so be happy you can have a physique body. Women like that! lol
ive learned that cardio even while bulking keeps me leaner "3 days a week 45min" fine
I also learned "from you and Tom Venutos book burn the fat feed the muscle" That keeping my carbs and fats in seperate meals does an amazing job at keeping me lean. I'ts especially effective for those who tend to store fat in their belly. I am one of those as well..lol Easy gaining Ecto-Mesos can mix carbs and fats with each meal and still stay lean around the abs. They are lucky in that aspect and tend to make for some of the best bodybuilders! Hard gainers whether they be ectomorphs or endomorphs gain body fat more easliy when combining carbs/fats in the same meal. First 3 meals carbs and protein "i train in the AM" and last 3 meals are Protein fats and veggies.

Again thanks for all your help, you have been a blessing.

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[covs-owen]

why cant i post anything not using the words they say but still says no

[Ronnie Rowland]

why cant i post anything not using the words they say but still says no

I have no idea?

[Peter32]

Hey Ronnie

Ive started the slingshot program after a 2 week lay off from AAS an training ( I'm assuming is equal to a deload ?) so I've started on the reload program you have posted at the start of this thread with a max of 12 sets ( warmups an prep set [for first exercise only] not inclusive of 12 sets ?? ) but am not 100% sure what split to do for a 5 day training program ( found the one you posted on another site which was chest & calves, back & abs, shoulders & traps, arms, and legs) is this preferable or should I just do 1 group per day?

Also what exercises for the other muscle groups (only saw your chest day sample) and we're the reps an sets still 1-2 warmups 12-15 then 4 x 8-10 working sets is that the same for isolation exercises ?? Thanks again

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie

Ive started the slingshot program after a 2 week lay off from AAS an training ( I'm assuming is equal to a deload ?) It's a prime, not a deload but will work just fine. so I've started on the reload program you have posted at the start of this thread with a max of 12 sets ( warmups an prep set [for first exercise only] not inclusive of 12 sets ?? ) but am not 100% sure what split to do for a 5 day training program ( found the one you posted on another site which was chest & calves, back & abs, shoulders & traps, arms, and legs) is this preferable or should I just do 1 group per day? The prep set is more for beginners and intermmediates needing to gain more strength. Advanced bodybuilders do not need a low rep prep set in 4-6 rep-range. 8-15 reps per set is best for them in order to spare tendons/joints.
1) chest/abs
2) back/calves
3) shoulders/traps
4) biceps/triceps/forearms
5) legs-quads/hams
6) off
7) off
repeat
Also what exercises for the other muscle groups (only saw your chest day sample) and we're the reps an sets still 1-2 warmups 12-15 then 4 x 8-10 working sets is that the same for isolation exercises ?? You have to find the exercises that work best for your body mechanics through experimentation. Go with the ones that give you the best pump without hurting your joints. Begin with coumpound exercises then finish off with isolation movements for torso. Thanks again

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[invisible99]

Great post! Thats what I am here for, Thank you.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Great post! Thats what I am here for, Thank you.

You are very welcome..Thanks!

[totallyok3d]

Hey Ron,

Ran Test E and Winny on a 20 week cutting cycle. Had some personal issues go on and took a beating on my funds and now am unable to get my hands on HCG. I do have Nolva and Clomid on hand, would I just run these 2 since I will not be able to get the HCG. This is what I have planned. What will happen that I won't have the HCG and ran a cycle for that long? I'm kind of worried.

Nolva - 40/20/20/20
Clomid - 100/50/50/50

Would you run 6 weeks since no HCG?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron,

Ran Test E and Winny on a 20 week cutting cycle. Had some personal issues go on and took a beating on my funds and now am unable to get my hands on HCG. I do have Nolva and Clomid on hand, would I just run these 2 since I will not be able to get the HCG. This is what I have planned. What will happen that I won't have the HCG and ran a cycle for that long? No one can answer that question with accuracy but I am of the opinion it's going to take you much longer to recover. From here on out treat ordering HCG as part of the cycle and don't start without it unless you are on TRT. I'm kind of worried. Dont freak out. Its just going to take you longer to recover.

Nolva - 40/20/20/20
Clomid - 100/50/50/50

Would you run 6 weeks since no HCG? YES!

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[totallyok3d]

Hey Ron,

Ran Test E and Winny on a 20 week cutting cycle . Had some personal issues go on and took a beating on my funds and now am unable to get my hands on HCG . I do have Nolva and Clomid on hand, would I just run these 2 since I will not be able to get the HCG. This is what I have planned. What will happen that I won't have the HCG and ran a cycle for that long? No one can answer that question with accuracy but I am of the opinion it's going to take you much longer to recover. From here on out treat ordering HCG as part of the cycle and don't start without it unless you are on TRT. I'm kind of worried. Dont freak out. Its just going to take you longer to recover.

Nolva - 40/20/20/20
Clomid - 100/50/50/50

Would you run 6 weeks since no HCG? YES!

Thanks Ron!

So this is what I have planned for 6 weeks

Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20
Clomid - 100/100/50/50/50/50

Do those dosages look good? Maybe even go 8 weeks or that to excessive?

[Live for the PUMP]

Wow! What a read! This makes a lot of sense. I guess I need to incorporate a de-load in my routine!

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Live for the PUMP;6105196]Wow! What a read! This makes a lot of sense. I guess I need to incorporate a de-load in my routine![/QUOTE]Thank you! At first it can be mentally hard to do a deload but it's certainly needed if you train hard like you should be during the reloads. You will come back refreshed, stronger, get better pumps and get sore without having to over-train to make it happen.

[Live for the PUMP]

This sure gave me a lot to think about!

Great post bro!

[bigp87]

Hey Ronnie, great thread!

I consider myself a Endomorph body type, can gain bodyfat fairly easy etc.

I'm weighing around 200LBS at the moment, 5"7, 25 years old with bodyfat at around 16% i'd estimate. I am currently on cutting cycle consiting of sus & Tren, and used dbol for kickstart.

I'm considering doing a 20 week slingshot cycle as you have outlined. I have done fair few cycles in the past, and I don't feel many side effects however the gear is 100%. I am quite tolerant to most drugs I would say...

I want a pure out lean mass cycle, with maximum muscle gained as possible.., what do do you think of the following for someone with my stats.

The highest mg cycle so far i have ran is Test E @ 750mg, Deca @400mg, DBOL @ 40mg ed.

Week 1-8: Test E - 500mg - 750mg ??
Week 1-8: Deca - 400mg
week 1-8: Dbol - 25mg - 30mg (can I run higher?)

Week 9-10: Test E - 250mg

Week 11-18: Test E - 1000mg
Week 11-18: Deca - 500mg or Tren E - 400mg ?
Week 11-18: Dbol - 50mg ED

Week 19-20 Test E 250mg

Week 21-24: Nolva 20/20/20/20
Week 21-24 Clomid 50/50/50/50

Would these dosages be alright? Or should I up them further.
Should I replace the deca with tren for the full 20 weeks?

Thanks a lot appreciate it.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=bigp87;6106157]Hey Ronnie, great thread!

I consider myself a Endomorph body type, can gain bodyfat fairly easy etc.

I'm weighing around 200LBS at the moment, 5"7, 25 years old with bodyfat at around 16% i'd estimate. I am currently on cutting cycle consiting of sus & Tren, and used dbol for kickstart.

I'm considering doing a 20 week slingshot cycle as you have outlined. I have done fair few cycles in the past, and I don't feel many side effects however the gear is 100%. I am quite tolerant to most drugs I would say...

I want a pure out lean mass cycle, with maximum muscle gained as possible.., what do do you think of the following for someone with my stats.

The highest mg cycle so far i have ran is Test E @ 750mg, Deca @400mg, DBOL @ 40mg ed.

Week 1-8: Test E - 500mg - 750mg ??
Week 1-8: Deca - 400mg
week 1-8: Dbol - 25mg - 30mg (can I run higher?)

Week 9-10: Test E - 250mg

Week 11-18: Test E - 1000mg
Week 11-18: Deca - 500mg or Tren E - 400mg ?
Week 11-18: Dbol - 50mg ED

Week 19-20 Test E 250mg

Week 21-24: Nolva 20/20/20/20
Week 21-24 Clomid 50/50/50/50

Would these dosages be alright? Or should I up them further.
Should I replace the deca with tren for the full 20 weeks?

Thanks a lot appreciate it.[/QUOTE]DECA, TEST AND D-BOL IS A BETTER CHOICE FOR ECTOMORPHS! SINCE YOU ARE AN ENDOMORPH I WOULD FOCUS PRIMARILY ON TEST/TREN/MASTERON! THROW IN 40 MGS OF ANAVAR OR T-BOL DAILY FOR EXTRA STRENGTH GAINS. SET UP A CYCLE USING THESE COMPOUNDS AND POST IT SO I CAN CRITIQUE IT FOR YOU!

[totallyok3d]

Ron,

As stated above been running Test E on cutting cycle for about 15 weeks and will end at 20. I'm still dropping weight through this cycle and solid cutting diet. My question is when i go into PCT will I drop even more weight due to comming off the test and loosing excessive water weight? and will I look more lean then when I'm on the test since I have been holding so much water?

[hsvcraig]

Ronny, hey mate would me running 10 weeks on 4 weeks pct then back and so on be a safe way not to shutdown your natural test forever?? Thanks mate

[slimshady01]

You put together my cycle under my circumstances i have... Here it is again .


weeks 1-8
Test 500
Tbol 75mg

Weeks 11 -18

Test 400
Deca 400
EQ 400.

Question 1..
Can i up the EQ to 600? I have 300mg EQ in 1cc so it would be easier to measure or is there a reason to stay lower.


Question 2 is about priming before my blast on Aug 27th.

Starting Monday which is 2 weeks out from blast I was going to drop protein in half and either up my carbs or up my fat... Im only at about 23-2400 calories a day maintaining abs and staying lean. I even do cardio 5-6 days a week now at 45 in order to stay lean.... I have a slow metabolism and this maintains my current weight.

Im anywhere from 150-200 carbs most days of the week.. Thursday I do a refeed and get around 400 carbs but i drop protein and fat to keep calories around 24-2600. Then on sundays I eat normal and end the night off with a nice cheat. Monday through Saturday im 100% clean and never cheat.

I just want to try this prime out these coming 2 weeks and see how i do come blast.

I can go higher carbs but i cant go high fats or i put on fat. If i go higher fats i cant do as many carbs or same thing...

So if i drop protein in half and up carbs i will probably be getting less then 30 fats a day the way it will work out. I would be around 350 to 400 carbs 125 Protein and 30-40 fats.. Does this seem ok with you?

If I go higher fat I would be more of a protein veggie fats with pre and post carbs only..

Which do you prefer?? i can stay lean on either scenario and will continue cardio until bulk.


AS far as training I reread your post and it looks like 4-6 sets per body part at 12-15 reps stop few sets before failure?

Just making sure cus normally you dont go so many sets but at a higher rep range with lighter weight maybe its ok?


Thanks Ronnie.



oh one more thing... lower cals on off days?