You'll want to read this!

[slimshady01]

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[CaMeLoT]

Ronnie,

One month ago my stack included 20 mg of Stanozolol ED and 50mg of Winstrol EOD. Here is stats of my liver enzymes/cholosterol after 3 weeks:

1. LDH (Lactate dehydrogenase): 262 (135 - 225)
2. CPK (Creatine kinase): 1242 (38 - 174)
3. AST (Aspartate Aminotransferase): 60 (<40)
4. ALT (Alanine Aminotransferase): 46 (<31)
5. GGT (Gamma-glutamyl transpeptidase): 10 (6 - 42)
6. Cholesterol: 2.25 (<5.2)
7. HDL: 0.57 (1.15 - 1.68)
8. LDL: 1.46 (2.59 - 4.14)
9. VLDL: 0.23 (0.26 - 1.0)


Is it wise to include Tren to my current cycle (Test E 500mg. EW) with these enzymes/cholosterol levels, or should I normalize them beforehand?

[VASCULAR VINCE]

bigron...you are right again....one of my workout partners.. was only capable of 6 sets of shoulder presses.....wihtout shoulder pain.. ...8 was too much..!!!!!!.what percentage overhead press build side delts vs front??? why so many people.. say lateral raises are a must to get capped delts??????

[Ronnie Rowland]

bigron...you are right again....one of my workout partners.. was only capable of 6 sets of shoulder presses.....wihtout shoulder pain.. ...8 was too much..!!!!!!. i was afraid of that! what percentage overhead press build side delts vs front??? around 60% front delts and 40% side delts. why so many people.. say lateral raises are a must to get capped delts?????? It's because lateral raises work only the side delts and do in fact help add a capped look but lateral raise are not the best exercise for geting capped delts on the side. The best overall exercise to build the side delts is the shoulder press. Many great shoulders were built by using shouder presses alone. Work up to pressing a lot of weight in perfect form using a moderatedly wide grip, and your shoulders will become massive boulders. I prefer a hammer strength machine to help take the strain off the rotator cuffs and I do not allow my hands to go below my earlobes. Dumbell presses are great for people with healthy shoulders! Lateral raises come in second place for building the capped looked. Genetics plays the biggest role and anabolics help a lot as well in how much cap you can build.

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[slimshady01]

Hey Ronnie just reposing one you missed..

You put together my cycle under my circumstances i have... Here it is again .


weeks 1-8
Test 500
Tbol 75mg

Weeks 11 -18

Test 400
Deca 400
EQ 400.

Question 1..
Can i up the EQ to 600? I have 300mg EQ in 1cc so it would be easier to measure or is there a reason to stay lower.


Also starting my prime 2 weeks out right now.

AS far as training I reread your post and it looks like 4-6 sets per body part at 12-15 reps stop few sets before failure?

Just making sure cus normally you dont go so many sets but at a higher rep range with lighter weight maybe its ok?


I also deceded to go very low carbs for this prime and higher fat for a better insulin response once i bulk Aug 27th.

I will have a small refeed meal every 3rd day to refill some what.

Thanks Ronnie.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie just reposing one you missed..

You put together my cycle under my circumstances i have... Here it is again .


weeks 1-8
Test 500
Tbol 75mg

Weeks 11 -18

Test 400
Deca 400
EQ 400.

Question 1..
Can i up the EQ to 600? I have 300mg EQ in 1cc so it would be easier to measure or is there a reason to stay lower. YES I WOULD GO TO 600 MGS OF EQ WEEKLY. NORMALLY IT TAKES A MINIMUM OF AROUND 600 MGS WEEKLY TO NOTICE ANY APPRECIABLE GAINS. GO LOWER IN DOSAGE ONLY IF YOU BEGIN EXPERIENCING ANXIETY ATTACKS.

Also starting my prime 2 weeks out right now.

AS far as training I reread your post and it looks like 4-6 sets per body part at 12-15 reps stop few sets before failure? I WOULD STOP 1 REP SHY OF GOOD FAILURE AND 2 IF YOU HAVE JOINT PAIN DURING DELOADS. 4-6 SETS PER BODY PART IS GOOD.

Just making sure cus normally you dont go so many sets but at a higher rep range with lighter weight maybe its ok? THE HIGHER THE REPS, THE MORE SETS YOU CAN DO AND STILL RECOVER BECAUSE IT'S EASIER ON YOUR JOINTS.

I also deceded to go very low carbs for this prime and higher fat for a better insulin response once i bulk Aug 27th.

I will have a small refeed meal every 3rd day to refill some what. You can do that! Lower your protein as well.

Thanks Ronnie.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=CaMeLoT;6110017]Ronnie,

One month ago my stack included 20 mg of Stanozolol ED and 50mg of Winstrol EOD. Here is stats of my liver enzymes/cholosterol after 3 weeks:

1. LDH (Lactate dehydrogenase): 262 (135 - 225)
2. CPK (Creatine kinase): 1242 (38 - 174)
3. AST (Aspartate Aminotransferase): 60 (<40)
4. ALT (Alanine Aminotransferase): 46 (<31)
5. GGT (Gamma-glutamyl transpeptidase): 10 (6 - 42)
6. Cholesterol: 2.25 (<5.2)
7. HDL: 0.57 (1.15 - 1.68)
8. LDL: 1.46 (2.59 - 4.14)
9. VLDL: 0.23 (0.26 - 1.0)


Is it wise to include Tren to my current cycle (Test E 500mg. EW) with these enzymes/cholosterol levels, or should I normalize them beforehand? It's the winstrol increasing your liver enzymes and cholesterol levels. Adding tren would be a great option! /QUOTE]above

[totallyok3d]

Hey ron you might have missed my question on the other page,

I've cut down from 195lbs to about 180lbs now on slingshot test and winny. My question is when I go into PCT will I loose even more weight from the water i'm retaining from the test? I got as low as 176lbs when I barley drank any water and had no carbs a few days ago but as soon as I had carbs and drank my gallon of water I jumped back up to nearly 185 and my ab definition disapeared. Im guessing this is all just water weight from the test? It will all fall off going into PCT? I have an AI but stopped using it because I wasn't experiencing any gyno like symptoms

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey ron you might have missed my question on the other page,

I've cut down from 195lbs to about 180lbs now on slingshot test and winny. My question is when I go into PCT will I loose even more weight from the water i'm retaining from the test? I got as low as 176lbs when I barley drank any water and had no carbs a few days ago but as soon as I had carbs and drank my gallon of water I jumped back up to nearly 185 and my ab definition disapeared. Im guessing this is all just water weight from the test? Some water weight is from the test but mostly of it's from the carbs and water you took in. When you combine carbs with water you will hold water because it's the carbs that make your body hold onto the water you drink. Salt intake magnifies this effect! When people go into ketosis, pretty much everything they drink runs just right through them even while using test and taking in modest amounts of salt because there are no carbs to hold the water. It will all fall off going into PCT? The water retention from the test will leave but when you add carbs (depending on how many you add) your ab definition will blur even when you remove the test from your regimen. I have an AI but stopped using it because I wasn't experiencing any gyno like symptoms

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[totallyok3d]

above

Thanks Ron!

[slimshady01]

Ron few more question.. you got my cycle all lines up now its time to get my training and DIET!! on par.

Im the endo ecto build "lose muscle fast hard to gain without fat" I think im going to take your advice and not really bulk but eat some what normal.

I maintain at around 2500 calories but i also have been doing 45 min of medium cardio 5-6 days week. I also have a huge cheat Sunday night but that all comes off in 2-3 days.

I was thinking for my cycle to stay around 2700 calories and I may not do any cardio if so i think just once a week now.

As far as macros... Right now im pondering 300-350 carbs... 2x bodyweight " im 177 now but pretty lean". Protein 1 to 1.5 " i know you will say 1.5 lol" Then fats will be whatever trace fats i get from my food. This is more in line with Chris Aceto style bulking, should end up being 15-20% fats. I just cant do carbs and fat very long without getting fat.

Now i read through an old post of yours that said you like rotating high carb days followed by a lower carb higher fat and veggie day. You said this was keeping you very lean.

Do still feel the same about this style dieting? Or should i just eat the same everyday "minus off days where i would cut carbs in half".

I like the first 3 meals carbs protein followed by last 3 protein fat and veggies. My only concern is eating 100 carbs each meal for my first 3 meals or even higher.. I think i would feel like a bloated pig not sure.

If you still think the high carb followed by the low carb days are worth it how would i go about doing it.

YOu see how my how carb day will be so would a low day be something like:

175 carbs
Protein the same
fats???? If i was 20% before what would i up to?...

Im thinking i could go first 3 meals carbs protein then last 3 protein veggies and make it work.. I would lower calories by 200 to stay around 2500.. Upping my fats to make up for some of the carbs removed?


And would i really rotate each day? I train Monday through Friday due to work. Saturdays i wouldnt want a high carb day falling on this day and Sunday I normally have my cheat meal at night.

Monday - Chest
Tuesday - Back
WED - Shoulders
Thurs - Arms
Friday - Legs
Sat - OFF
Sunday - Off "cheat night"


Seeing my training schedule how would you incorporate high and low days "thats only if you think this is still a good diet option"


Thanks Ron,

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron few more question.. You got my cycle all lines up now its time to get my training and diet!! On par.

Im the endo ecto build "lose muscle fast hard to gain without fat" i think im going to take your advice and not really bulk but eat some what normal. this is what i have to do as well. I have the same type of build. It is what it is.

i maintain at around 2500 calories but i also have been doing 45 min of medium cardio 5-6 days week. I also have a huge cheat sunday night but that all comes off in 2-3 days.

I was thinking for my cycle to stay around 2700 calories and i may not do any cardio if so i think just once a week now. i think 15-20 minutes of cardio 3 times per week would be okay for you while trying to gain size but no more. And if you want to skip the cardio and put more time into training that would work well. Cardio is good for your heart but the more energy and time you expend doing it, the less time you have left to train when trying to add additional muscle mass. Diet, not cardio, is far more imporant for heart health and what your look like!
as far as macros... Right now im pondering 300-350 carbs... 2x bodyweight " im 177 now but pretty lean". Protein 1 to 1.5 " i know you will say 1.5 lol" important note: Actually in your case 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight will work well because it's the ecto-meso and mesos that need more protein due to having more muscle mass and higher metabolisms. I have found that hard gainers get fat taking in too much protein along with the necessary carbs and fats requirements needed to function properly. Many people have it backwards thinking hard gainers need more protein but just the opposite is true! then fats will be whatever trace fats i get from my food. This is more in line with chris aceto style bulking, should end up being 15-20% fats. I just cant do carbs and fat very long without getting fat.

Now i read through an old post of yours that said you like rotating high carb days followed by a lower carb higher fat and veggie day. You said this was keeping you very lean. it helps keep you stay lean because you are controlling both carbs and calories but it's not necessary to take that approach. It's just another way of doing things. Some prefer that method while others do not because the high carb day causes distres to their gi tract and throws off their sugar levels.

do still feel the same about this style dieting? Or should i just eat the same everyday "minus off days where i would cut carbs in half". [u][/u]important note: Both ways work. The most simplistic and healthiest method IMO is to stay on the same diet 5 days a week then have a moderate carb up on wednesday (add in an additional 50 carbs that day) and then have a larger carb up on saturday. On saturday allow for one cheat meal such as a hamburger and fries which is a fat load as well.
i like the first 3 meals carbs protein followed by last 3 protein fat and veggies. My only concern is eating 100 carbs each meal for my first 3 meals or even higher.. I think i would feel like a bloated pig not sure. you can have 5 carbs melas per day and just dont take any in at bedtime meal.if you still think the high carb followed by the low carb days are worth it how would i go about doing it.

You see how my how carb day will be so would a low day be something like:

175 carbs
protein the same
fats???? If i was 20% before what would i up to?...

Im thinking i could go first 3 meals carbs protein then last 3 protein veggies and make it work.. I would lower calories by 200 to stay around 2500.. Upping my fats to make up for some of the carbs removed?


And would i really rotate each day? I train monday through friday due to work. Saturdays i wouldnt want a high carb day falling on this day and sunday i normally have my cheat meal at night.

Monday - chest low carbs
tuesday - back low carbs
wed - shoulders moderate carbs
thurs - arms low carbs
friday - legs low carbs
sat - off high carbs plus 1 cheat meal
sunday - off "cheat night" low carbs

note: The above protocol works well because you will be your hungriest and most depleted folwling back and leg training sessions!
seeing my training schedule how would you incorporate high and low days "thats only if you think this is still a good diet option"


thanks ron,

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[Bulkn]

ron few more question.. You got my cycle all lines up now its time to get my training and diet!! On par.

Im the endo ecto build "lose muscle fast hard to gain without fat" i think im going to take your advice and not really bulk but eat some what normal. this is what i have to do as well. I have the same type of build. It is what it is.

i maintain at around 2500 calories but i also have been doing 45 min of medium cardio 5-6 days week. I also have a huge cheat sunday night but that all comes off in 2-3 days.

I was thinking for my cycle to stay around 2700 calories and i may not do any cardio if so i think just once a week now. i think 15-20 minutes of cardio 3 times per week would be okay for you while trying to gain size but no more. And if you want to skip the cardio and put more time into training that would work well. Cardio is good for your heart but the more energy and time you expend doing it, the less time you have left to train when trying to add additional muscle mass. Diet, not cardio, is far more imporant for heart health and what your look like!
as far as macros... Right now im pondering 300-350 carbs... 2x bodyweight " im 177 now but pretty lean". Protein 1 to 1.5 " i know you will say 1.5 lol" important note: Actually in your case 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight will work well because it's the ecto-meso and mesos that need more protein due to having more muscle mass and higher metabolisms. I have found that hard gainers get fat taking in too much protein along with the necessary carbs and fats requirements needed to function properly. Many people have it backwards thinking hard gainers need more protein but just the opposite is true! then fats will be whatever trace fats i get from my food. This is more in line with chris aceto style bulking, should end up being 15-20% fats. I just cant do carbs and fat very long without getting fat.

Now i read through an old post of yours that said you like rotating high carb days followed by a lower carb higher fat and veggie day. You said this was keeping you very lean. it helps keep you stay lean because you are controlling both carbs and calories but it's not necessary to take that approach. It's just another way of doing things. Some prefer that method while others do not because the high carb day causes distres to their gi tract and throws off their sugar levels.

do still feel the same about this style dieting? Or should i just eat the same everyday "minus off days where i would cut carbs in half". important note: Both ways work. The most simplistic and healthiest method IMO is to stay on the same diet 5 days a week then have a moderate carb up on wednesday (add in an additional 50 carbs that day) and then have a larger carb up on saturday. On saturday allow for one cheat meal such as a hamburger and fries which is a fat load as well.
i like the first 3 meals carbs protein followed by last 3 protein fat and veggies. My only concern is eating 100 carbs each meal for my first 3 meals or even higher.. I think i would feel like a bloated pig not sure. you can have 5 carbs melas per day and just dont take any in at bedtime meal.if you still think the high carb followed by the low carb days are worth it how would i go about doing it.

You see how my how carb day will be so would a low day be something like:

175 carbs
protein the same
fats???? If i was 20% before what would i up to?...

Im thinking i could go first 3 meals carbs protein then last 3 protein veggies and make it work.. I would lower calories by 200 to stay around 2500.. Upping my fats to make up for some of the carbs removed?


And would i really rotate each day? I train monday through friday due to work. Saturdays i wouldnt want a high carb day falling on this day and sunday i normally have my cheat meal at night.

Monday - chest low carbs
tuesday - back low carbs
wed - shoulders moderate carbs
thurs - arms low carbs
friday - legs low carbs
sat - off high carbs plus 1 cheat meal
sunday - off "cheat night" low carbs

note: The above protocol works well because you will be your hungriest and most depleted folwling back and leg training sessions!
seeing my training schedule how would you incorporate high and low days "thats only if you think this is still a good diet option"


thanks ron,

Hey Ron, ill be doing a show soon and just trying to sort out how i should do my diet. Will an approach like above in bold work well? Im looking at trying to get quite lean, around 4%

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Bulkn;6140024]Hey Ron, ill be doing a show soon and just trying to sort out how i should do my diet. Will an approach like above in bold work well? Im looking at trying to get quite lean, around 4% Yes, the diet above will work well but don't eat junk food high in fats such as pizza on the once a week high carb/cheatmeal, only carbs for the most part and of course protein. /QUOTE]above

[slimshady01]

Awesome post Ronnie.

I actually like hearing that i need only 1 gram protein per lb. I always thought that i was gaining fat from 1.5 -2 which im done in the past.

Now when you say low carb days and that one high carb day on Saturday what is low to you and what is high?

When i said was going 300-350 is that what i would do on the lower carb days or actually the 175? I THINK "not sure" i may be able to get away with the 300-350 spread through 5 meals "most in morning and post"
so long as my fats are low in those meals.. BUt then would a high day consist of 400 -500? on my cheat day?

Just want to have this dialed in perfect as i follow diets 100% and if low carb days are lower then 300 or so my total calories would be under 2700. " might not grow?"

Here are 2 pics of me, one in the morning un pumped can see abs.... Abs are almost gone after my coffee and breakbeast... really pisses me off lol.

Then another pumped at the gym.


again im 5-10 about 175-177 ecto endo...

[Ronnie Rowland]

awesome post ronnie.

I actually like hearing that i need only 1 gram protein per lb. I always thought that i was gaining fat from 1.5 -2 which im done in the past.

Now when you say low carb days and that one high carb day on saturday what is low to you (250-300) and what is high? 400 plus

when i said was going 300-350 is that what i would do on the lower carb days or actually the 175? start with 250 then go to 300 if needed. I think "not sure" i may be able to get away with the 300-350 spread through 5 meals "most in morning and post"
so long as my fats are low in those meals.. But then would a high day consist of 400 -500? On my cheat day? yes

just want to have this dialed in perfect as i follow diets 100% and if low carb days are lower then 300 or so my total calories would be under 2700. " might not grow?" you will still grow on 250 carbs per day on the 5 low carb days given you eat enough fats to have a calorie surplushere are 2 pics of me, one in the morning un pumped can see abs.... Abs are almost gone after my coffee and breakbeast... Really pisses me off lol. [b]that's normal./b]

then another pumped at the gym.


Again im 5-10 about 175-177 ecto endo...

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[mockery]

Hello again Ron

Im not sure if this is something you want to get into or discuss for obvious reasons. But i thought id ask because your views on serious muscle needs serious aas supplement.

im in my mid thirty's average build, decent genetics never cared for doing a show. But my friends who compete and just won the local provincials here have inspired me and made me question "what if" I can be a very dedicated and driven person and very competitive. I know i cant just get back into the game, do drugs and eat and sleep and train and win 1st.. but id be happy with 13th! just to say at my age i did a show against younger guys who have been training dedictaedly for years! oh though i will win first cause im fricking awesome!

my question can be broken down to two possibility's

1.) what extent of peptides and aas would i need to use to be show read in 11 months? would i have to be "on" from now till the final week of the show?

Im not expecting you to write out a cycle plan for, but something to help point me into the right direction. I understand this isnt healthy or probably smart just to do 1 show for the hell of it. Maybe if they give out pro cars at the over 40 category i can work for the and get my old man HW procard haha. I hope you can help me out to the best of your ability with out asking to much of your time.

thanks so much!

[anabolic body]

question my current cycle
test e 250mg a week
test p 700mg a week
npp 700mg a week
masteron 400mg aweek
winny 50mg a day

was think of adding in tren a because i love the strength gains what do you think ?
i get very few sides from tren. have ran up to 800mg tren a per week

THANK YOU

[Yellow]

Hi Big Ron...

I think you missed my post in the page before : http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...68#post6103068

Thanks...

[600@50]

Ron,

What AI do you recommend for blast and cruise long term? Adex or stane or some other? I've always used adex but have heard you shouldn't stay on adex long term.

Thanks man!

[totallyok3d]

ron,

noticed my right nipple is a little more pointy and puffy then normal and my left one looks somewhat normal. I never had any pain and I feel a tiny lump but it could just be bodyfat? it just feels and looks puffy. Also when if i squeeze it a get like a clear milky discharge. I'm running adex at .25mg EOD, should I up my dose or just wait until my PCT in the next 4 weeks, or start taking nolva alongside the test now? Will this subside once I start my nolvadex in PCT?

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron,

noticed my right nipple is a little more pointy and puffy then normal and my left one looks somewhat normal. I never had any pain and I feel a tiny lump but it could just be bodyfat? it just feels and looks puffy. Also when if i squeeze it a get like a clear milky discharge. Your prolactin levels are too high. Get on some cabergoline! I'm running adex at .25mg EOD, should I up my dose or just wait until my PCT in the next 4 weeks, or start taking nolva alongside the test now? Increase adex to .05mgs daily and get something to decrease prolactin levels. Will this subside once I start my nolvadex in PCT? I don't think it will subside until 6-8 weeks post PCT without carbergoline.

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[totallyok3d]

above

Thanks ron did you meen increase to .50mg adex daily? not .05mg?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=totallyok3d;6123606]Thanks ron did you meen increase to .50mg adex daily? not .05mg? Yes..Sorry about that...[/QUOTE]above

[totallyok3d]

ron -

Should i change my workout routine in any way when going into PCT? Less reps keep heavy weight like it was on cycle?

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron -

Should i change my workout routine in any way when going into PCT? Less reps keep heavy weight like it was on cycle? Keeps weights as heavy as possible using good form in 8-12 rep range. Cut training volume by 1/3 because cortisol levels will be higher.

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[totallyok3d]

ron -

after my 6 weeks of PCT (you recommended 6 weeks since no HCG, would 8 be excessive or will 6 be fine?)

Will waiting a month or 2 after PCT be long enough before I go back on cycle, or could I wait even less or should I wait longer?

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron,

what ai do you recommend for blast and cruise long term? Adex or stane or some other? masteron is the best choice if it works for you but it can cause anxiety for some if they go above 200 mgs per week. If masteron is not strong enough use aromasin long term. Some people who have gyno really bad have to resort to letro to keep the pain down. You don't have to use anything if you don't have gyno! i've always used adex but have heard you shouldn't stay on adex long term.

Thanks man!

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[totallyok3d]

ron -

running test e and winny right now as i mentioned above. I changed my diet up and got down to 180lbs (endomorph) Im looking to get more shredded and have my abs visible which I think will be obtained if i get down to the low 170's.

I'm currently stuck at 180-179 and can't seem to get passed that. I eat 250g P, 100g C(about 80g from veggies), and 30g F. This got me down to 180 but I cant seem to make and progress anymore, Im just stuck aroudn there. I eat this diet mon-friday and by the time it gets to friday i feel like complete crap, irratable, terrible sleep, weak, headaches from the low carbs. I have a moderate carb day saturday and lower my protein and on sunday have a cheat day that consists of mainly all carb sources for a refeed then back on it monday. Again, this is just keeping me around 180lbs, no changes really. What would you suggest to break this platue?

I'm also doing cardio about 5-6x a week either PWO, fasted am, or after my last meal before bed. Sometimes I get 2 sessions in 1 day all 20-30 mins.

thanks!

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron -

running test e and winny right now as i mentioned above. I changed my diet up and got down to 180lbs (endomorph) Im looking to get more shredded and have my abs visible which I think will be obtained if i get down to the low 170's.

I'm currently stuck at 180-179 and can't seem to get passed that. I eat 250g P, 100g C(about 80g from veggies), and 30g F. This got me down to 180 but I cant seem to make and progress anymore, Im just stuck aroudn there. I eat this diet mon-friday and by the time it gets to friday i feel like complete crap, irratable, terrible sleep, weak, headaches from the low carbs. I have a moderate carb day saturday and lower my protein and on sunday have a cheat day that consists of mainly all carb sources for a refeed then back on it monday. Again, this is just keeping me around 180lbs, no changes really. What would you suggest to break this platue? First, have a moderate carb up day on wednesday by adding 50 carbs. Second, on saturday have a big carb up, not a moderate one to really stimulate your metabolism and energy levels. Third, do not count the carbs coming from green veggies such as geenbeans and broccolli. Carbs should come from foods like sweet potatoes, oats, ezekiel bread and apples. Fourth, are you taking clen and t-3? I'm also doing cardio about 5-6x a week either PWO, fasted am, or after my last meal before bed. Sometimes I get 2 sessions in 1 day all 20-30 mins.

thanks!

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[totallyok3d]

above

Ok I'm

5'10
180lbs
13%BF

If I'm not counting my veggie carbs then I'm only getting 1/2cup oats for carbs mon-fri with 200g Protein and 30g fats. Then on Saturday I have a moderate carb then sunday a cheat day with all carbs.

So what should I keep my carb gram levels at on the low days to maximize fat burning, 50g? Keeping my protein at 200g and fats at 30g? On wednesday should the moderate carb up be about 150g and lower my protein to 125g keeping fats at 30g still?

I just finished my 8th week of clen running your 20mcg up dose every 2 weeks until I got to 120mcg. No longer on clen i believe my beta 2 receptors are pretty much shot, I'm currently still running 40mcg T3 daily though.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=totallyok3d;6124400]Ok I'm

5'10
180lbs
13%BF

If I'm not counting my veggie carbs then I'm only getting 1/2cup oats for carbs mon-fri with 200g Protein and 30g fats. Then on Saturday I have a moderate carb then sunday a cheat day with all carbs.

So what should I keep my carb gram levels at on the low days to maximize fat burning, 50g? You can take carbs out completely and go into ketosis if needed to maximize fat loss. I don't like going below 150 per day except a few weeks before a show then I only go down to 100 per day. I've done ketosis as well but prefer to keep some carbs in my diet because I become nauseated in ketosis. When you go down to around only 100 carbs daily your blood sugars become unstable and if you plan to stay this low for a long time, ketosis is certainly an option you should consider. I think you are going in and out of ketosis now-hence the reason for getting the headaches! Keeping my protein at 200g and fats at 30g? On wednesday should the moderate carb up be about 150g and lower my protein to 125g keeping fats at 30g still? I would make the moderate carb up day 150-200. Keep fats at 30 daily. Protein can remain the same on the moderate carb up day but can be lowered in half on large carb up day!
I just finished my 8th week of clen running your 20mcg up dose every 2 weeks until I got to 120mcg. No longer on clen i believe my beta 2 receptors are pretty much shot, I'm currently still running 40mcg T3 daily though. I would take 2 weeks off the clen then start back at a lower dose while ramping it back up gradually every 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]above

[totallyok3d]

Sounds good ron thanks!

I'll have zero carbs on my low days. 150g on moderate days, and probably around 300+ on my high day.

I thought my fats had to be higher for ketosis? If i'm eating 200g P 0c 30f on my low days that's barley 1000 total cals!? and I weigh 180lbs You think I'll be ok with this since it's only a few days? with carb ups 2x per week? I'm excited to try this! so here's what I have.

Monday - 200p 0c 30f
Tuesday - 200p 0c 30f
Wednesday - 200p 150c 30f
Thursday - 200p 0c 30f
Friday - 200p 0c 30f
Saturday - 100p 300+c minimal fat. Cheat day

Does this look about right?

[arock1]

Great post very straight forward and helpful tips.. Thanks

[measuretwicecutonce]

Sup man,

I kinda poked around in this thread a bit n found most of the answers I wanted. Plz critique. Initially i wanted to do 3 or 4 series of slingshotting so 3 reloads n 3 deloads in total. But after reading a bit seems like for the more hpta concerned person 2 8s is the way to go with a mild bridge. followed my a more elaborate pct with 2400iu hcg for 2 weeks? but then did u follow this with a serm? Also recovery wise, how elaborate would pct be if i did run 3-4 series?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Sup man,

I kinda poked around in this thread a bit n found most of the answers I wanted. Plz critique. Initially i wanted to do 3 or 4 series of slingshotting so 3 reloads n 3 deloads in total. But after reading a bit seems like for the more hpta concerned person 2 8s is the way to go with a mild bridge. followed my a more elaborate pct with 2400iu hcg for 2 weeks? but then did u follow this with a serm? Using a serm is optional. If you re running an anti-es/serm during cycle other than masteron or proviron then adding a serm/anti-es would be necessary during PCT. Also, 3 weeks of hcg during PCT would be better than 2 unless you ran 500ius of hcg weekly during entire cycle. Also recovery wise, how elaborate would pct be if i did run 3-4 series? PCT would be not be more complicated if you ran 3 reloads verses 2 reloads. PCT would remain the same. very detailed or especially complicated, li

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[totallyok3d]

As stated before ron to deal with my puffy nips and clearish discharge I have prami and aromasin on the way and should have them in a few days. I'm currently running .5 adex ED until they arrive once they arrive I plan on running them like this.

Aromasin 25mg ED
Prami .5mg ED (days 1-3) then 1mg ED

I still have about 3 weeks of test e and winny. Should I continue to run the aromasin and prami alongside all the way up to my PCT? and do I run it with my PCT?

The thing is after upping my adex dosage It doesn't seem like i'm getting as much discharge or barley any at all now. My nipples are still puffy though, could nolvadex actually counteract this since I'm only running Test E/Winny I'm not understanding how i'm having prolactin issues.

[Ronnie Rowland]

as stated before ron to deal with my puffy nips and clearish discharge i have prami and aromasin on the way and should have them in a few days. I'm currently running .5 adex ed until they arrive once they arrive i plan on running them like this.

Aromasin 25mg ed
prami .5mg ed (days 1-3) then 1mg ed

i still have about 3 weeks of test e and winny. Should i continue to run the aromasin and prami alongside all the way up to my pct? yes and do i run it with my pct? run both for an additional week after you get through with your hcg. Run hcg for 3 weeks and prami and aromasin for 4 weeks after getting off the cycle.the thing is after upping my adex dosage it doesn't seem like i'm getting as much discharge or barley any at all now. My nipples are still puffy though, could nolvadex actually counteract this since i'm only running test e/winny i'm not understanding how i'm having prolactin issues. testosterone alone causes my prolactin levels to increase so that's not abnormal. My endocrinologist has me on cabergoline to keep it under control. Nolvadex is not going to get rid of high prolactin levels, only high estrogen.

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[totallyok3d]

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Thanks ron! I'll run this prami and aromasin protocol!

[measuretwicecutonce]

Using a serm is optional. If you re running an anti-es/serm during cycle other than masteron or proviron then adding a serm/anti-es would be necessary during PCT. Also, 3 weeks of hcg during PCT would be better than 2 unless you ran 500ius of hcg weekly during entire cycle. Also recovery wise, how elaborate would pct be if i did run 3-4 series? PCT would be not be more complicated if you ran 3 reloads verses 2 reloads. PCT would remain the same.

How about if I ran 4 series? I thought hcg with a serm was a no.? Most likely I will NOT be using a anti-e on cycle. (unless i get heavy estrogen sides then I would take one mildly as I am not gyno prone n haven't ran into e problems yet - most likely aromasin) I do however plan on throwing in mast-ace in the last 6 weeks of the last cycle.