You'll want to read this!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Using a serm is optional. If you re running an anti-es/serm during cycle other than masteron or proviron then adding a serm/anti-es would be necessary during PCT. Also, 3 weeks of hcg during PCT would be better than 2 unless you ran 500ius of hcg weekly during entire cycle. Also recovery wise, how elaborate would pct be if i did run 3-4 series? PCT would be not be more complicated if you ran 3 reloads verses 2 reloads. PCT would remain the same.

How about if I ran 4 series? The PCT protocol would remain the same. I thought hcg with a serm was a no.? [BThe purpose of a SERM or anti-es is to block the negative effects of estrogen, while your hormone levels go back to equilibrium.[/B] Most likely I will NOT be using a anti-e on cycle. (unless i get heavy estrogen sides then I would take one mildly as I am not gyno prone n haven't ran into e problems yet - most likely aromasin) I do however plan on throwing in mast-ace in the last 6 weeks of the last cycle. If you decide to use aromasin keep it in for 4 weeks after your cycle is complete. That would be 3 weeks of hcg and aromasin and then an extra week of aromasin by itself once off the hcg.

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[measuretwicecutonce]

thats 2400iu hcg per week split in 2 or 3 doses correct?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=measuretwicecutonce;6125061]thats 2400iu hcg per week split in 2 or 3 doses correct? You need 2500iu of HCG eod for 3 weeks. That's roughly 7500 iu weekly.[/QUOTE]above

[totallyok3d]

Ron,

For my diet ran above what would be most beneficial cardio routine ran with it? Right now I'm pretty much doing cardio 6x a week either fasted am or PWO. Usually 30mins on big stairmaster and on leg days I just do the cycle for 45mins. Would you incorporate any HIIT or will what i have going be ok? I still have a decent amount of belly fat and you can only really see my top 2 abs but if I pull my skin down tighter you can see the whole set, so they're getting close!

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=totallyok3d;6125468]Ron,

For my diet ran above what would be most beneficial cardio routine ran with it? Right now I'm pretty much doing cardio 6x a week either fasted am or PWO. Usually 30mins on big stairmaster and on leg days I just do the cycle for 45mins. Never do cardio on leg day! Would you incorporate any HIIT or will what i have going be ok? Never do HIIT training on low carbs or you will burn muscle for fuel. Do low/moderate intensity cardio 120-130 heart rate and for longer durations. I still have a decent amount of belly fat and you can only really see my top 2 abs but if I pull my skin down tighter you can see the whole set, so they're getting close! It's going to take time and unfortunately some people who are endomorphs have to go a little hungry and feel sluggish to maintain abs due to their genetic make-up.[/QUOTE]above

[totallyok3d]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6130018]

Ron,

For my diet ran above what would be most beneficial cardio routine ran with it? Right now I'm pretty much doing cardio 6x a week either fasted am or PWO. Usually 30mins on big stairmaster and on leg days I just do the cycle for 45mins. Never do cardio on leg day! Would you incorporate any HIIT or will what i have going be ok? Never do HIIT training on low carbs or you will burn muscle for fuel. Do low/moderate intensity cardio 120-130 heart rate and for longer durations. I still have a decent amount of belly fat and you can only really see my top 2 abs but if I pull my skin down tighter you can see the whole set, so they're getting close! It's going to take time and unfortunately some people who are endomorphs have to go a little hungry and feel sluggish to maintain abs due to their genetic make-up.[/QUOTE]above

Thanks ron!

So cardio 6x a week is ok? Is fasted am cardio low intensity good on some days?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=totallyok3d;6130060][QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6130018]

Thanks ron!

So cardio 6x a week is ok? Is fasted am cardio low intensity good on some days? It's okay to do some fasted cardio if needed to get body fat levels down a bit further. I like using that as a last resort.[/QUOTE]above

[totallyok3d]

ron -

when eating caloric deficient the whole cycle making it a cutting cycle is it a lot smoother going into PCT and easily attainable to maintain gains as compared to somebody trying to gain weight all cycle in a calorie surplus? Right now I have insane vascularity from the winstrol and look bigger and fuller even know i've been cutting. Can I expect to see ALL of this go away when going into PCT?

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron -

when eating caloric deficient the whole cycle making it a cutting cycle is it a lot smoother going into PCT and easily attainable to maintain gains as compared to somebody trying to gain weight all cycle in a calorie surplus? That is correct! I've seen people go off all anabolics after a show and actually gain some lean muscle mass but I do not advise that. I usually recommend staying on 3-500 mgs of test only after a show. Right now I have insane vascularity from the winstrol and look bigger and fuller even know i've been cutting. Can I expect to see ALL of this go away when going into PCT? It will slowly fade as time goes on.

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[totallyok3d]

Ron,

Will my puffy nips subside after about a week after I begin my aromasin and prami protocol? Or will they not subside until I run this and get off the test into PCT? They're just pointy and puffy looks like just my nipple area is holding a bunch of water!

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron, I think you missed my post # 4297. Thanks!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, I think you missed my post # 4297. Thanks!

Answered in post 4310 I thought. If I missed something please let me know!

[The Titan99]

Answered in post 4310 I thought. If I missed something please let me know!

Got it!! Thanks!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron,

Will my puffy nips subside after about a week after I begin my aromasin and prami protocol? Usually takes a minimum of 2 weeks to know for certain.Or will they not subside until I run this and get off the test into PCT? No one knows. You will have to find this out for yourself . They're just pointy and puffy looks like just my nipple area is holding a bunch of water!

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[killawoge]

Great read learning alot

[measuretwicecutonce]

Ronnie, what is your recommendation to go from a prop blast to a enanthate cruise? i hear 1x or 2x a week either or is ok. but for starting enanthate would u start 10-14days before ending prop or wait till prop is done and front load for first week?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=measuretwicecutonce;6130257]Ronnie, what is your recommendation to go from a prop blast to a enanthate cruise? i hear 1x or 2x a week either or is ok. but for starting enanthate would u start 10-14days before ending prop or wait till prop is done and front load for first week? I personally would start the test-e 2 weeks before going off the prop. I also want to state it's a good plan to reload with both test-p and test-e at the same time given prop does not give you flu like symptoms. It's always best to use just test-e or test-c when deloading. Some of the more advanced bodybuilders do well combining sustanon, test-e and test-p during reloads. 1cc of each 3 times per week will blow you up! [/QUOTE]above

[measuretwicecutonce]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6135004]

Ronnie, what is your recommendation to go from a prop blast to a enanthate cruise? i hear 1x or 2x a week either or is ok. but for starting enanthate would u start 10-14days before ending prop or wait till prop is done and front load for first week? I personally would start the test-e 2 weeks before going off the prop. I also want to state it's a good plan to reload with both test-p and test-e at the same time given prop does not give you flu like symptoms. It's always best to use just test-e or test-c when deloading. Some of the more advanced bodybuilders do well combining sustanon, test-e and test-p during reloads. 1cc of each 3 times per week will blow you up! [/QUOTE]above

Sorry, your saying i should reload with prop AND test e for THE ENTIRE RELOAD? ...BOTH?

[totallyok3d]

ron,

Right now you have me on a small carb cycle while I'm on cycle. My main goal is cutting this cycle so my question is when going into PCT should I just add carbs back in and have a basic diet eating at maintenance cals? I feel like If i've been eating a caloric deficient this whole 20 week slingshot then switch to maintenance i will actually gain some weight, this is still good for keeping my bodyfat low?

for PCT i'm thinking maybe 200g P 300g C 50g F. Do I have this good? I'm 180lbs. This equals about 2500cals. I've been reading healthy fats were better to have high going into PCT?

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie.....do you prefer cables??? or.. free weights??? for maxing out triceps????

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron,

Right now you have me on a small carb cycle while I'm on cycle. My main goal is cutting this cycle so my question is when going into PCT should I just add carbs back in and have a basic diet eating at maintenance cals? I feel like If i've been eating a caloric deficient this whole 20 week slingshot then switch to maintenance i will actually gain some weight, this is still good for keeping my bodyfat low? yes, given you don't over do the calories!

for PCT i'm thinking maybe 200g P 300g C 50g F. Do I have this good? I'm 180lbs. This equals about 2500cals. I've been reading healthy fats were better to have high going into PCT?

Looks good and whether you do more fats or more carbs is very individualistic. Some do better with more fats while some do beter with extra carbs. I prefer the extra carbs when going for lean mass gains then adjusting fats as needed to keep body fat levels under control once carb and protein requirements are met. Remember, fats contain more calories than carbs.

IMPORTANT NOTE:
Adipose tissue is certainly affected by insulin levels produced from carbs. There are a lot of people with a condition known as “insulin resistance”. Once you develop high levels of body fat your body will no longer respond to insulin as it should. What happens next is it only takes a small amount of carbohydrates to really shoot those insulin levels through the roof-hence body fat will be stored at a fast rate of speed. When too much insulin is produced, you will be left with too little sugar in the blood stream and some will get stored in the fat cells. This puts you in a viscous cycle where the fatter you get, the easier it is to keep putting on the wrong kind of weight (body fat). All carbs turn to sugar but consuming slow burning carbs with a lower glycemic index level creates less insulin spikes, provides more energy and does not stimulate your appetite like fast burning carbs.

Insulin is not the only regulator of fat storage. Adipose tissue is also composed of fats by a hormone called ASP (Acylation Stimulating Protein). This hormone doesn't need insulin to make you fatter because it's released from fat cells directly in response to blood chylomicrons (fats produced in the intestinal lumen following the absorption of digested fat) which are responsible for storing triglycerides in adipose cells. By controlling carb intake you indirectly reduce ASP levels-hence less body fat will be stored when dietary fats are consumed. By watching the kinds of fats you eat, along with the amounts, you can help control how many calories get stored as body fat. Basically, ASP works for dietary fat storage like insulin works for carbohydrate storage. Higher quantities of either macronutrient force the body to become less efficient at eliminating body fat. How well the body deals with insulin and ASP cannot always be equated to an individual’s body weight because thin people who have a hard time gaining muscle can also be considered clinically obese (for i.e. some marathon runners). This is due to their having a poor lean muscle mass to body fat ratio.

Lean protein and green vegetables should make up the base of any healthy diet. Amino acids from protein based foods have a large impact on the release of leptin, a hormone secreted by fat ( and other cells in the body) in response to food digestion that acts as an appetite suppressant. Protein helps regulate blood- sugar levels and prevents muscle wasting.[/B]

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=measuretwicecutonce;6135185][QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6135004]

Sorry, your saying i should reload with prop AND test e for THE ENTIRE RELOAD? ...BOTH? I'm saying you can run both test-e and test-p during reloads if you want but it's not neceesary..Just another option some like![/QUOTE]above

[hsvcraig]

Hey Ron, thanks for all the info mate you've helped hundreds of people. I have no hcg I've finished pinning n due to commence pct with nolva n clomid in around 10 days, I'm concerned on ending up on TRT so I was going to go 4 weeks of nolva n clomid then jump back on cycle, I'm aware that is also risky. With solely keeping in mind I Dnt want to end up on TRT is it worth doing the nolva n clomid for the 4 weeks n jumping straight back on, ppl seem to think its a waste to do pct whilst only taking 4 weeks off or should i just cruise but I feel that would risk it even more by being shutdown even longer? What's your thoughts? Thanks again mate

[cfail]

Hey Ron, think you missed me #4384. Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, think you missed me #4384. Thanks Sorry! I answered it in post 4400.

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[totallyok3d]

ron -

about to go into PCT. My routine right now is

Mon - Chest/Tris/Abs
Tuesday - Shoulders/Traps
Wednesday - Back/Bi's/Abs
Thursday - Legs
Friday - Either Chest again or If I do Legs Monday I do legs again. These are my weak points.
Sat/Sun - OFF

My question is how should my routine switch up when going into PCT? Should I only do 1 muscle group per day and include more rest days? Or does what I have stay the same for PCT?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=totallyok3d;6131252]ron -

about to go into PCT. My routine right now is

Mon - Chest/Tris/Abs CHEST/BICEPS HERE
Tuesday - Shoulders/Traps YOU NEED TO DO LEGS HERE
Wednesday - Back/Bi's/Abs OFF
Thursday - Legs SHOULDERS AND TRICEPS HERE
Friday - Either Chest again or If I do Legs Monday I do legs again. These are my weak points. BACK HERE
Sat/Sun - OFF GOOD HERE

My question is how should my routine switch up when going into PCT? Should I only do 1 muscle group per day and include more rest days? Or does what I have stay the same for PCT? REDUCE SETS AND WORK OUT ONLY 3 DAYS PER WEEK. ON MONDAY DO CHEST/BICEPS, ABS WEDNESDAY SHOULDERS/LEGS, FRIDAY-BACK TRICEPS, TRAPS.[/QUOTE] ABOVE

[totallyok3d]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6135027]

ron -

about to go into PCT. My routine right now is

Mon - Chest/Tris/Abs CHEST/BICEPS HERE
Tuesday - Shoulders/Traps YOU NEED TO DO LEGS HERE
Wednesday - Back/Bi's/Abs OFF
Thursday - Legs SHOULDERS AND TRICEPS HERE
Friday - Either Chest again or If I do Legs Monday I do legs again. These are my weak points. BACK HERE
Sat/Sun - OFF GOOD HERE

My question is how should my routine switch up when going into PCT? Should I only do 1 muscle group per day and include more rest days? Or does what I have stay the same for PCT? REDUCE SETS AND WORK OUT ONLY 3 DAYS PER WEEK. ON MONDAY DO CHEST/BICEPS, ABS WEDNESDAY SHOULDERS/LEGS, FRIDAY-BACK TRICEPS, TRAPS.[/QUOTE] ABOVE

Thanks ron!

now for PCT when I switch to the routine you mentioned below.

Right now I'm doing high volume intense training so when you say lower sets in PCT, I should keep the same heavy weight but reduce sets to 6-9 per muscle group. For example Chest would be 3 sets of 2/3 different exerises? Seems like not a lot of work?

Even with smaller muscle group like biceps I would do 6 sets, correct? That would only be 2 different exercises for 3 sets, Do I have this correct?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=totallyok3d;6135236]

Thanks ron!

now for PCT when I switch to the routine you mentioned below.

Right now I'm doing high volume intense training so when you say lower sets in PCT, I should keep the same heavy weight but reduce sets to 6-9 per muscle group. For example Chest would be 3 sets of 2/3 different exerises? Seems like not a lot of work?

Even with smaller muscle group like biceps I would do 6 sets, correct? That would only be 2 different exercises for 3 sets, Do I have this correct? That will work fine. Around 8-9 sets for larger muscle groups like chest for 2-3 exercises and only 6 sets for arms at 2 exercises a piece will suffice.

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[totallyok3d]

ron -

right now im getting cardio about 5-6x a week through this whole cutting cycle. Going into PCT how could I incorporate cardio? I still want to maintain and possibly lower bodyfat percentages.

[kisektah1]

Hi RR,

How are you? I was thinking of preparing my next cycle This is what is should look like. Aim: loose bf, little bloat and harden up. My stats are; 235lbs at aprox 17%bf at 5'11 at 32y/o

My next cycle is either looking like:

Number 1:

Wk 1-6: 200mg Test E/ 600 Tren A (per week) > Reload 1.8g protein per pound/ High volume, Heavy Weights, ~8 reps per set
Wk 6-8: 100mg Test E (per Week) > Deload 1g protein per pound/ Med Volume, Med Weights, High reps.
Wk 8-13: 200mg Test E/ 600 Tren A (per week)/ Thinking of adding Winstrol @ 25mg ED, Proviron @ 25mg ED, add 400mg of EQ OR up the tren to 800mg per week > Reload 1.8g protein per pound/ High volume, Heavy Weights, ~8 reps per set

* Clen also added to cycle 2 weeks on 3 weeks off Protocol (ramp up to 100mcg ed) from week 1.

OR Do a cycle with a lean bulk using anabolics with heavy androgens to help lean out to the end. Something like? Maybe even switching wk 8-13 to wk 1-8 and vice versa?

Number 2:

Wk 1-3: 400 Test E/ 650 Deca pw> Reload 1.8g protein per pound/ High volume, Heavy Weights, ~8 reps per set
Wk 3-6: 400 Test E/ 650 Eq pw> Reload 1.8g protein per pound/ High volume, Heavy Weights, ~8 reps per set
Wk 6-8: 100mg Test E (per Week) > Deload 1g protein per pound/ Med Volume, Med Weights, High reps.
Wk 8-13: 150mg Test E pw/ 600 Tren A ew/ 25mg Winstrol Oral ED > Reload 1.8g protein per pound/ High volume, Heavy Weights, ~8 reps per set

* Clen also added to cycle 2 weeks on 3 weeks off Protocol (ramp UP to 100mcg ed) from week 1.



PCT: (Deload for wk 14-16)

WK 14-18: Nolva 40/40/20/20/10
Wk 14-18: Tribulus
Wk 14: 2x shots HCG 2500iux2
Wk 14: 100mg Triptorelin



Workout: (plus cardio 15 mins post workout, 4 times per week)

Mon: Back
Tues: Chest
Wed: Legs (ham/quads/calves)
Thurs: Shoulders/ Rear Delts/ Traps
Fri: Bis/Tris/ abs
Sat: - 30 mins cardio or Rest
Sun: Rest


Questions:
- I cant get my hands on a progesterone inhibitor, will Vit b6 work or nolva?
- Do you think i should stick to calorie maintenance or caloric surplus during this cycle (aim is to harden up, put on a little muscle, little bloat and reduce bf)?
- In your opinion what AAS should i add to my second reload (wk 8-13)?
- I am really trying to keep this cycle around 12-14 weeks, what would you prefer?
- Is my tren dose high enough for my goals? (the most i have used of tren is 600mg of Tren E per week stacked with 700mg of test).
- I tend to lose a fair bit of hair on high doses of Tren, is their anything i can use other than Nizorol 2%?
- Is it true that Tren and Test both fight for the same receptor, but tren binds a lot harder to it and therefore 'overpowers' most of the test. Or is this a myth?
- With Injectable Winstrol, have you ever recomended to drink the winstrol instead of jabing it? I have read a study (forgot where) that the winstrol is only ~65% as affective drinking than injection (since it has to pass the liver).
- I have read a lot of forums and trainers recommend switching Anabolics and Androgens every 3-6 weeks for optimum results. Reasoning behind this is that our body's and receptors get used to the substance and it is good to switch the AAS with the same anabolic OR androgenic nature. What are your knowledgable thoughts?


Thank You RR!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi RR,

How are you? I was thinking of preparing my next cycle This is what is should look like. Aim: loose bf, little bloat and harden up. My stats are; 235lbs at aprox 17%bf at 5'11 at 32y/o

My next cycle is either looking like:

Number 1:

Wk 1-6: 200mg Test E/ 600 Tren A (per week) > Reload 1.8g protein per pound/ High volume, Heavy Weights, ~8 reps per set
Wk 6-8: 100mg Test E (per Week) > Deload 1g protein per pound/ Med Volume, Med Weights, High reps.
Wk 8-13: 200mg Test E/ 600 Tren A (per week)/ Thinking of adding Winstrol @ 25mg ED, Proviron @ 25mg ED, add 400mg of EQ OR up the tren to 800mg per week > Reload 1.8g protein per pound/ High volume, Heavy Weights, ~8 reps per set

* Clen also added to cycle 2 weeks on 3 weeks off Protocol (ramp up to 100mcg ed) from week 1.

OR Do a cycle with a lean bulk using anabolics with heavy androgens to help lean out to the end. Something like? Maybe even switching wk 8-13 to wk 1-8 and vice versa?

Number 2:

Wk 1-3: 400 Test E/ 650 Deca pw> Reload 1.8g protein per pound/ High volume, Heavy Weights, ~8 reps per set
Wk 3-6: 400 Test E/ 650 Eq pw> Reload 1.8g protein per pound/ High volume, Heavy Weights, ~8 reps per set
Wk 6-8: 100mg Test E (per Week) > Deload 1g protein per pound/ Med Volume, Med Weights, High reps.
Wk 8-13: 150mg Test E pw/ 600 Tren A ew/ 25mg Winstrol Oral ED > Reload 1.8g protein per pound/ High volume, Heavy Weights, ~8 reps per set

* Clen also added to cycle 2 weeks on 3 weeks off Protocol (ramp UP to 100mcg ed) from week 1.



PCT: (Deload for wk 14-16)

WK 14-18: Nolva 40/40/20/20/10
Wk 14-18: Tribulus
Wk 14: 2x shots HCG 2500iux2
Wk 14: 100mg Triptorelin

Keep it simple and just run 1cc of test eod and 1 cc of tren eod for first 8 week reload. Keep test/tren the same and add 25 mgs of wintrol or 20-40 mgs of var during second 8 week reload.



Workout: (plus cardio 15 mins post workout, 4 times per week)

Mon: Back CHEST
Tues: Chest BACK/REAR DELTS
Wed: Legs (ham/quads/calves) SHOULDERS/TRAPS
Thurs: Shoulders/ Rear Delts/ Traps ARMS/ABS
Fri: Bis/Tris/ abs LEGS
Sat: - 30 mins cardio or Rest OFF
Sun: Rest OFF

Questions:
- I cant get my hands on a progesterone inhibitor, will Vit b6 work or nolva? Not a lot!
- Do you think i should stick to calorie maintenance or caloric surplus during this cycle (aim is to harden up, put on a little muscle, little bloat and reduce bf)?
stay with calorie maintenance and let anabolics harden you up-
In your opinion what AAS should i add to my second reload (wk 8-13)? winstrol25 mgs daily or anavar 20-40 mgs daily. anavar is more user friendly on the joints
- I am really trying to keep this cycle around 12-14 weeks, what would you prefer? 12
- Is my tren dose high enough for my goals? (the most i have used of tren is 600mg of Tren E per week stacked with 700mg of test). yes
- I tend to lose a fair bit of hair on high doses of Tren, is their anything i can use other than Nizorol 2%? no
Is it true that Tren and Test both fight for the same receptor, but tren binds a lot harder to it and therefore 'overpowers' most of the test. Or is this a myth? It's somewhat of a myth. Let me explain: First, test is safer and more user friendly than tren long term so that must always be taken into consideration. And you will get results using higher dosages of test over tren and vise versa. Both ways work! I personally suggest using test at higher dossages for most because tren has more side effects such as insomina, severe headaches ,sexual dysfunction, night sweats, and breathing problems so bad that it can trigger asthma attacks. I do feel that tren binds to AR stronger than test and some people experience fewer side effects while keeping test lower than tren but some get some nasty sides using more tren and less test. For example, no libido at all and a lack of sleep which IMO will cause one to age and cause health issues over the long haul! Tren doesn't over power test in terms of androgen reception but it does over power test regarding it's anabolic and androgenic properties. Tren has a higher binding affinity than test, but what tren does not take up will be taken up by test and various orals. I feel most have a better overall experience using more test and less tren. Tren takes up more receptors but one can take large dosages of test with large dosages of tren before full saturation of receptor sites occurs. I know that some IFBB pros are taking 3 grams or more of test weekly, 2 grams of tren weekly, and various orals daily. Why? Because it works!
- With Injectable Winstrol, have you ever recomended to drink the winstrol instead of jabing it? yes but I prefer orals instead
I have read a study (forgot where) that the winstrol is only ~65% as affective drinking than injection (since it has to pass the liver).
- I have read a lot of forums and trainers recommend switching Anabolics and Androgens every 3-6 weeks for optimum results. Reasoning behind this is that our body's and receptors get used to the substance and it is good to switch the AAS with the same anabolic OR androgenic nature. What are your knowledgable thoughts? All steroids hit the same receptors so theres no use in changing every 3 weeks. But what I can tell you is that adding orals along with injectables will cause a noticeable increase in strength-then comes size/bloat with d-bol and drol and leaner gains with winstrol, halo, and var.


Thank You RR!

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[massbuilders]

Hey ronnie, I think i kinda messed up my cycle . Because since week four i started doing masteron prop and anavar . But i thought my mast was Mast E and it turned out it was Mast prop. So i am thinking of doing 12 weeks of test e/mast p 300mg/anavar75 mg. Then 2 weeks cruise of test e at 250. Then 4 weeks of hcg like you told me?. Then i will run 3 weeks of nova/armi. Please let me know what you think, also please remember i did 50mg anavar / 500 test e for 15 weeks before and then i took of two weeks without pct and jumped on the current cycle like you told me. Results are showing great. i am at 237 around 13% body fat!

[Norway84]

Hi i have read the first 30 pages and from page 100 to last. This is the most educated thred i have read. Bean reading aboute anabolics fore 4 years when i have time of so getting a good understanding what things do.

I am 29
85kg
1,84 m
Traning fore 7 years but not in the gym so now i want to get som muscle.

My gear
40ml test e
20ml masteron
200 10mg dbol
Aromasin just in case
Hcg i want babys
Clomid
Nolva

Reloade
1-8 500mg test 3 times

De
9-10 250mg in 1 shot w

Re
11-18 600mg test

De
19-20 250 test

My firs qustion is regarding masteron if estro lvls going upp during cycle how mutch shud i start whith in mg and do i need to take same amount during deloade?

Dbol want to try it during 2 reloade if my body feels good from the test
Would masteron benefit my helth more good then bad whith test dbol?
I am thinking of 30mg dbol a day but thinking its best to take it from w15-18 its safest if i get eny sides sins my cycle is nerly over rigt?

Pct
Nolva
Clomid
Hcg only fore 2 w since used during cycle

Thx fore explended thred and sorry fore bad spelling

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi i have read the first 30 pages and from page 100 to last. This is the most educated thred i have read. Bean reading aboute anabolics fore 4 years when i have time of so getting a good understanding what things do.

I am 29
85kg
1,84 m
Traning fore 7 years but not in the gym so now i want to get som muscle.

My gear
40ml test e
20ml masteron
200 10mg dbol
Aromasin just in case
Hcg i want babys
Clomid
Nolva

Reloade
1-8 500mg test 3 times

De
9-10 250mg in 1 shot w

Re
11-18 600mg test

De
19-20 250 test

My firs qustion is regarding masteron if estro lvls going upp during cycle how mutch shud i start whith in mg and do i need to take same amount during deloade?

Dbol want to try it during 2 reloade if my body feels good from the test
Would masteron benefit my helth more good then bad whith test dbol?
I am thinking of 30mg dbol a day but thinking its best to take it from w15-18 its safest if i get eny sides sins my cycle is nerly over rigt?

Pct
Nolva
Clomid
Hcg only fore 2 w since used during cycle

Thx fore explended thred and sorry fore bad spelling

Run. Have a cc of masteron 3x per week along test. Go ahead and run d-Bol at beginning of second 8 week reload for 8 weeks and have arimidex ready in case of Gyno. Stay on masteron during deloads.

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron -

right now im getting cardio about 5-6x a week through this whole cutting cycle. Going into PCT how could I incorporate cardio? I still want to maintain and possibly lower bodyfat percentages.Too much cardio during pct is going to cause a loss in muscle mass,especially in the legs unless you are genetically gifted in that area.. I would reduce cardio to 20-30 minutes 3 times a week and focus more on a clean diet.

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[adamjames]

how severe can tren attack the lungs in an asthma sufferer?(mild asthma sufferer) because im really keen to do it for my next cycle alongside primo on the second reload after 10 weeks bulking on test because im really prone to test bloat and i hate taking arimidex to sort the problem out id rather do a non aramotizing cycle like tren and primo what do you think?

cheers

[Ronnie Rowland]

how severe can tren attack the lungs in an asthma sufferer?(mild asthma sufferer) because im really keen to do it for my next cycle alongside primo on the second reload after 10 weeks bulking on test because im really prone to test bloat and i hate taking arimidex to sort the problem out id rather do a non aramotizing cycle like tren and primo what do you think? I am also a mild asthma sufferer and tren will certainly make it worse because it constricts your bronchial tubes. You should have two albuterol resuce inhalers on you at all times in case you go into an asthma attack if you decide to use tren. I've had asthma attacks usign tren while training legs and doing cardio and it's terrifying to say the least! Keep two inhalers on you in case one does not work due to malfunctioning! A safer choice for asthma sufferers is low dosages of test, masteron, anavar and GH if affordable. You could add primo in the mix as well. Tren is great but not if you have asthma because it's like your walking around breathing through a straw! Use tren in the colder months of the year not in the humid summer if you are going to use it. It can also bring on some nasty sinus infections, nasal congestion ( allergies in general if you are prone.) Allergies and asthma run hand in hand. cheers

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[adamjames]

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I think i will stear clear of tren then on my next cycle, i would love to try it but its probably not worth it for me as far as sides go and i like to do daily cardio even when bulking : )
Im going to run this cycle starting next week: (second cycle)

1 - 8 = Test enenthate 300 mg EW

8 - 10 = Test enenthate 150 mg EW

8 - 20 = (Primobolan enenthate 500 mg EW ( should i start the primo here at week 8 when the deload starts? or should i start it after ive cruised on test at 150 mg EW for 2 weeks?? ive heard the primo takes ages to work properly so i thought it may be better to run it for 12 weeks here instead of 10 and could also aid in further gains by adding it in at the start of the first deload? )

10 - 20 = Test enenthate 300 mg EW

20 - 22 = HCG FOR 2 WEEKS BEFORE PCT

22 - 26 = 4 week PCT, NOLVA, CLOMID

[Ronnie Rowland]

I think i will stear clear of tren then on my next cycle, i would love to try it but its probably not worth it for me as far as sides go and i like to do daily cardio even when bulking : )
Im going to run this cycle starting next week: (second cycle)

1 - 8 = Test enenthate 300 mg EW (You need 500 mgs of test-e per week at a minimum. 300 wil barely put you above your natural levels)

8 - 10 = Test enenthate 150 mg EW 200 ew

8 - 20 = (Primobolan enenthate 500 mg EW ( should i start the primo here at week 8 when the deload starts? no wait until week 11 and add 750 mgs of test with it. or should i start it after ive cruised on test at 150 mg EW for 2 weeks?? ive heard the primo takes ages to work properly so i thought it may be better to run it for 12 weeks here instead of 10 and could also aid in further gains by adding it in at the start of the first deload? )

10 - 20 = Test enenthate 300 mg EW

20 - 22 = HCG FOR 2 WEEKS BEFORE PCT

22 - 26 = 4 week PCT, NOLVA, CLOMID

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