You'll want to read this!

[adamjames]

above

500 mg is minimum for a second cycle? hmmm I thought natural levels were around the 50 mgs a week for a male not 300?

And from what ive read elsewhere primo is best when you run it at a higher dose than the test on a cutting cycle?

thanks

[massbuilders]

Hey ronnie, I think i kinda messed up my cycle. Because since week four i started doing masteron prop and anavar. But i thought my mast was Mast E and it turned out it was Mast prop. So i am thinking of doing 12 weeks of test e/mast p 300mg/anavar75 mg. Then 2 weeks cruise of test e at 250. Then 4 weeks of hcg like you told me?. Then i will run 3 weeks of nova/armi. Please let me know what you think, also please remember i did 50mg anavar / 500 test e for 15 weeks before and then i took of two weeks without pct and jumped on the current cycle like you told me. Results are showing great. i am at 237 around 13% body fat!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey ronnie, I think i kinda messed up my cycle. Because since week four i started doing masteron prop and anavar. But i thought my mast was Mast E and it turned out it was Mast prop. So i am thinking of doing 12 weeks of test e/mast p 300mg/anavar75 mg. Then 2 weeks cruise of test e at 250. Then 4 weeks of hcg like you told me?. Sounds like a good plan but I feel 3 weeks of HCG will suffice! Then i will run 3 weeks of nova/armi. Run nolvadex only or arimidex only for 4 week during pct. You can run both together but there's really no use. Please let me know what you think, also please remember i did 50mg anavar / 500 test e for 15 weeks before and then i took of two weeks without pct and jumped on the current cycle like you told me. Results are showing great. i am at 237 around 13% body fat! You are doing great!

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[oak2429]

how would you reload and deload if you were doing a prohormone cycle? like with hdrol or superdrol or epidrol etc...

[alex.mitev]

Hey Ron, I read this entire thread and have a question for you;

When steady fat lost is aimed at , you reccomend 150 carbs - 3 carb meals a day - breakfast , pre and post WO, given training session takes place between 4th and 5 th meal (6 pm).
In 20 pages, you advised the same guy to have his carbs on his first 3 meals of the day, regardless of when he trains. This means only protein/fats before and post workout.
Where is the truth to be found ? - when i decide to go carb cycling , when should i have my 3 carb meals? My BF is about 14 . 6.1 height, 200 weight.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, I read this entire thread and have a question for you;

When steady fat lost is aimed at , you reccomend 150 carbs - 3 carb meals a day - breakfast , pre and post WO, given training session takes place between 4th and 5 th meal (6 pm).
In 20 pages, you advised the same guy to have his carbs on his first 3 meals of the day, regardless of when he trains. This means only protein/fats before and post workout.
Where is the truth to be found ? The truth is that both ways work great. Do the method you like best but overall I think taking in your carbs pre and post workout is superior for hanging onto more muscle mass when in a calorie deficit.. @ - when i decide to go carb cycling , when should i have my 3 carb meals? My BF is about 14 . 6.1 height, 200 weight.

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[mockery]

Hey mate I can only get 10,000 ui of hcg right now, when in my 2nd relOad when is best to run this to help recovery before pct. thanks. Or is the reality I really need to get more?. Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey mate i can only get 10,000 ui of hcg right now, when in my 2nd reload when is best to run this to help recovery before pct. Thanks. Or is the reality i really need to get more? just run 500 ius weekly during last 10 weeks (8 week reload and 2 week deload) . That will leave you 5000 for pct . Thanks

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[Ronnie Rowland]

how would you reload and deload if you were doing a prohormone cycle? like with hdrol or superdrol or epidrol etc...I would switch over to a weaker pro-hormone during deloads and keep the dosages really low, then go back on a stronger one during reloads at higher dosages.

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[kolaking]

Ronnie, I'm going to start your method the first of the month. I've been cycling for years and pretty much at the age of 41 will be having to cruise the rest of my days. However, I'm helping a friend get started on his second cycle and want to suggest this method. Your method is a stay "on" long term system. Would you say that using this system for as short as a year would end up shutting down his (43 Y.O) Nat Sys. to very low levels requiring permanent TRT? I know that more than this length of time surely would. And If I'm wrong could you explain why? Thanking you in advance, KK.

[mockery]

Hello ron

Curious about the second reload.

now can you keep all compounds the same say 600 test and 600 mast that you ran in the first reload, into the second one. IF you were to add say 300mg a week of tren ace. and shot that EoD once your plasma and test levels were stable from the longer esters.

Or would i have to still increase the test and mast

lastly the interduction of tren "ace" is only if my Blood pressure takes off on me, i can come off easily enough in a few days.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=mockery;6141870]Hello ron

Curious about the second reload.

now can you keep all compounds the same say 600 test and 600 mast that you ran in the first reload, into the second one. IF you were to add say 300mg a week of tren ace. and shot that EoD once your plasma and test levels were stable from the longer esters.

Or would i have to still increase the test and mast You could keep test/masteron dosages the same and just add 300 mgs of tren weekly to that next reload.
lastly the interduction of tren "ace" is only if my Blood pressure takes off on me, i can come off easily enough in a few days. Going with ten ace is a good idea to see how your going to react.[/QUOTE]above

[mockery]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6143643]

Hello ron

Curious about the second reload.

now can you keep all compounds the same say 600 test and 600 mast that you ran in the first reload, into the second one. IF you were to add say 300mg a week of tren ace. and shot that EoD once your plasma and test levels were stable from the longer esters.

Or would i have to still increase the test and mast You could keep test/masteron dosages the same and just add 300 mgs of tren weekly to that next reload.
lastly the interduction of tren "ace" is only if my Blood pressure takes off on me, i can come off easily enough in a few days. Going with ten ace is a good idea to see how your going to react.[/QUOTE]above

thanks ron, great speedy advice. hope all is well with you and your wife.

cheers

[totallyok3d]

ron,

finished my last test e pin, waiting these 2 weeks before starting PCT. I have ephedrine on hand and want to run it through the 2 weeks. Should i use it in PCT as well? I have 25mg ephedrine, is this good ED for 2 weeks iwth 200mg caffeine?

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron,

finished my last test e pin, waiting these 2 weeks before starting PCT. I have ephedrine on hand and want to run it through the 2 weeks. Should i use it in PCT as well? I have 25mg ephedrine, is this good ED for 2 weeks iwth 200mg caffeine? I would not use ephedrine during pct because it increases muscle eating cortisol levels and can kills ones appetite to the point of losing muscle mass, especially when off steroids. Use clen instead.

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[christian123]

Hey im Chris!
First of all thanks for your time

I read your whole post a few times, really amazing info and as eeryone else, i wanna give it a try ahahah!

So here i am on my 3rd cycle ! Witch is supposed to start in 2 weeks!
Ill be doing
1-12 Tren e 400mgs/week
1-15 test e 500 mgs/week!
1-6 T3/clen

I might add var at week 8! So ive got everything planned, thabks to all the members here!

I was just wondering when you say lower your test to TRT!
How much is that? (my english is not too good, so i dont understand everythig as i should)
And should i lower the tren also at week 8!?
Im a bit confuses!

If you could help me with the dosage for my deload phase thatd be amazing!

On the other hand for trainnig diet, im all good!

Thanks alot man!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey im Chris!
First of all thanks for your time

I read your whole post a few times, really amazing info and as eeryone else, i wanna give it a try ahahah!

So here i am on my 3rd cycle ! Witch is supposed to start in 2 weeks!
Ill be doing
1-12 Tren e 400mgs/week Run tren at 400 mgs weekly for 3rd 8 week reload and test along side the tren at 500 mgs weekly for 8 weeks then go back to trt for 2 week deload then go back to tren 400 weekly, test 500 weekly and add 20-40 mgs of var daily for 4th 8 week reload. Then deload with trt (1 cc of test for 2 weeks). Use clen and t-3 during last 6 weeks of your 4th 8 week reload if you are trying to harden up.
1-15 test e 500 mgs/week!
1-6 T3/clen

I might add var at week 8! So ive got everything planned, thabks to all the members here!

I was just wondering when you say lower your test to TRT!
How much is that? 1 cc of test weekly. More is need for advanced bodybuilders. (my english is not too good, so i dont understand everythig as i should)
And should i lower the tren also at week 8!?
Im a bit confuses!

If you could help me with the dosage for my deload phase thatd be amazing!

On the other hand for trainnig diet, im all good!

Thanks alot man!

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[jodha1991]

grat post thks it reALy helps a lot

[cfail]

Ron,

Regarding your recommendation of test c or test e for 8 week reload(never used anabolics), How would this be used in your program as far as reload, deload, reload, ect? I plan on using test c at 500mgs per week. Is there a need to take a break from the anabolics after a period of time? If so, what is the best way to come off? Thanks for your help and advise!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron,

Regarding your recommendation of test c or test e for 8 week reload(never used anabolics), How would this be used in your program as far as reload, deload, reload, ect? I plan on using test c at 500mgs per week. Is there a need to take a break from the anabolics after a period of time? If so, what is the best way to come off? Thanks for your help and advise! Run 2 ccs of test-c for 8 weeks then back off to using only 1cc of test-c for 1 week then begin second 8 week reload using 750 mgs of test-c weekly and end cycle with 1cc of test-c weekly for 2 weeks then do PCT for 4 weeks.

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[slimshady01]

Ron,

in my first reload now of new cycle..

Weeks 1-8 is Test Prop 150mg EOD and TBol 50mg then 75mg last 4 weeks."first time trying prop". Will add 250mg Test E 2 weeks before deload.

LAst 8 weeks you got me at 400 test 400 deca and 600-750 EQ..." you designed this cycle around me and hairloss..

I was wondering for the last 8 which would be better for mass.... The above OR...

Test 750 and EQ600-750. I started Propecia again which helps me with test so im willing to try 750 again with a DHT blocker "doesnt effect me sexualy that much".

If i go the deca and test I cant run the propecia or i will shed like mad.

So which of the 2 would be better for mass.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

barbell military press...or...dumbell press..best for shoulder width development?????

[VASCULAR VINCE]

cause of outer tendon elbow pain??? causes of inner elbow pain?????

[Ronnie Rowland]

cause of outer tendon elbow pain??? All forms of pressing for chest and shoulders. Also training the triceps. Don't fully lock out on any of these exercises to help eliminate problems and warm up good. causes of inner elbow pain????? Back and bicep training. Chinups are notorious for causing inner elbow pain for many. Use good form and do not fully extend on bicep exercises.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

barbell military press...or...dumbell press..best for shoulder width development????? Dumbell presses are superior because they resemble the press behind the neck more so than the barbell military press-hence allowing you to bring the arms out to the sides more which in return stimulates the side head of the deltoids more sufficiently. Also, I highly recommend not doing the press behind the neck but if you are dead set on doing them bring the bar no lower than the upper ears. Keep in mind that the anterior head is primarily used for shoulder abduction when the upper arm is held out from the body when used for pushing weight above your head. Also,, the anterior head is under heavy stress during shoulder flexion and transverse flexion such as chest pressing movements so doing front raises is over kill. I also want to mention that upright rows should be avoided because they can be very destructive to the rotator cuff even though they work the side/lateral head fairly well when using a medium grip. The lateral head is also used for shoulder abduction, although the upper arm is not rotated when it is activated. The lateral head on the side that helps gives you that capped looked is usually more difficult to build up than the anterior heads just as the upper chest is typically harder to build than the mid-lower pectorals. All over head pressing movements stimulate both the anterior and lateral head of the deltiod. Therefore, it's not essential to try to isolate the lateral head with lateral raises but I feel for bodybuilding purposes, leaning lateral raises (especially with cables done one arm at a time) should be used to fully finish off the lateral head of the deltoids.

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[mockery]

Dumbell presses are superior because they resemble the press behind the neck more so than the barbell military press-hence allowing you to bring the arms out to the sides more which in return stimulates the side head of the deltoids more sufficiently. Also, I highly recommend not doing the press behind the neck but if you are dead set on doing them bring the bar no lower than the upper ears. Keep in mind that the anterior head is primarily used for shoulder abduction when the upper arm is held out from the body when used for pushing weight above your head. Also,, the anterior head is under heavy stress during shoulder flexion and transverse flexion such as chest pressing movements so doing front raises is over kill. I also want to mention that upright rows should be avoided because they can be very destructive to the rotator cuff even though they work the side/lateral head fairly well when using a medium grip. The lateral head is also used for shoulder abduction, although the upper arm is not rotated when it is activated. The lateral head on the side that helps gives you that capped looked is usually more difficult to build up than the anterior heads just as the upper chest is typically harder to build than the mid-lower pectorals. All over head pressing movements stimulate both the anterior and lateral head of the deltiod. Therefore, it's not essential to try to isolate the lateral head with lateral raises but I feel for bodybuilding purposes, leaning lateral raises (especially with cables done one arm at a time) should be used to fully finish off the lateral head of the deltoids.

Wow great write up!!, the points on no behind the next press or upright rows needs to be expressed more. such dangerous exercises. A++

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron,

in my first reload now of new cycle..

Weeks 1-8 is test prop 150mg eod and tbol 50mg then 75mg last 4 weeks."first time trying prop". Will add 250mg test e 2 weeks before deload.

Last 8 weeks you got me at 400 test 400 deca and 600-750 eq..." you designed this cycle around me and hairloss..

I was wondering for the last 8 which would be better for mass.... The above or...

Test 750 and eq600-750. it's going to be close either way but go with test/deca/eq because the deca allows you to lift heavy while avoiding joint pain given deca does not affect you sexually. Test and deca is better than test and eq for gaining size. i started propecia again which helps me with test so im willing to try 750 again with a dht blocker "doesnt effect me sexualy that much". in this case you better go with test and eq cycle and avoid deca because deca and propecia may really bring down your libido!

if i go the deca and test i cant run the propecia or i will shed like mad.

So which of the 2 would be better for mass.

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[dozer211]

Big Ron,
I'm 26 6'2 230. Tell me how this looks. I've use prohormones in the past which may have caused my low T because I'm starting HRT soon.
Reload: test e 500 mg
Deload: test e 250 mg
Reload:test e 500 mg,deca 400 mg
Deload: test e 250 mg
Reload: test e 750 mg, D-Bol 25 mg(full 8 weeks)
Deload: test e 250mg
Reload: test e 500 mg, tren 300-400 mg
I've got all AI's on hand should I need it.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Big Ron,
I'm 26 6'2 230. Tell me how this looks. I've use prohormones in the past which may have caused my low T because I'm starting TRT soon. Many prohormones are actually designer steroids in disguise-hence the reason they are so effective and will shut down your hpta axis like real steroids.
Reload: test e 500 mg
Deload: test e 250 mg
Reload:test e 500 mg,deca 400 mg
Deload: test e 250 mg
Reload: test e 750 mg, D-Bol 25 mg(full 8 weeks)
Deload: test e 250mg
Reload: test e 500 mg, tren 300-400 mg
I've got all AI's on hand should I need it. Looks fine!

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[totallyok3d]

ron -

As you recommended I get on caber and aromasin from my prolactin levels. I was weighing a solid 180lbs and it's been 2 weeks since I started the caber and aromasin. I'm now down to 173lbs in 2 weeks and actually cut my normal cardio regime in half. I am cutting and enjoy any losses but I feel like i'm loosing to quickly! That's 7-8lbs in 2 weeks, which isnt that bad i guess.

Is this sudden weight loss from my estro levels lowering? The only thing that has changed since this big drop is the intro to caber and aromasin, diet has remind same and before i was just maintaing 178-180.

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron -

As you recommended I get on caber and aromasin from my prolactin levels. I was weighing a solid 180lbs and it's been 2 weeks since I started the caber and aromasin. I'm now down to 173lbs in 2 weeks and actually cut my normal cardio regime in half. I am cutting and enjoy any losses but I feel like i'm loosing to quickly! That's 7-8lbs in 2 weeks, which isnt that bad i guess.

Is this sudden weight loss from my estro levels lowering? Yes you are losing water weight! The only thing that has changed since this big drop is the intro to caber and aromasin, diet has remind same and before i was just maintaing 178-180.

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[cfail]

Ron,
Think you missed me #4445.

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron,
I'm wanting to be as big and lean as possible on Oct 31st. No show or competition or anything, this is just my target date. I'm 5 weeks into a 12 week run up to the 31st. Currently I'm 268 lbs (bigger than I've ever been...) about 8% BF 6'2" 47 years old. My cycle at this point is pretty heavy and I plan to prime and go off AAS for 4 weeks again in November. Anyway, this is what it is...

Test E 1.5 grams
MENT Ace 1050 mg
Tren E 600 mg
Tren A 300 mg
Masteron P 700 mg
Deca 400 mg (joints)
Anavar 100 mg ed
Proviron 50 mg ed
HGH 10 i.u.'s 5 on 2 off.
Also doing .5 mg of prami ed for prolactin control as well as vitamin B1-B6-B12 injections.

I was planning on dropping the Test E 3 weeks out and replacing it with 700 mg Test P.
Dropping the MENT ACE 2 weeks out.
Dropping the Deca 4 weeks out.
Increase the Masteron to 1000 mg 3 weeks out.
What would you suggest with the Var and the HGH?
I've never used An AI on cycle either but I have some Aromasin and was wondering if I should use it? At what point would you start and how would you dose it?

Also, I've been doing no cardio for the last 3 months figuring I'd get more out of it at the end of the cut. When and how much do you suggest doing?

Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron,
I'm wanting to be as big and lean as possible on Oct 31st. I take it you are going to paint yourself GREEN? lol No show or competition or anything, this is just my target date. I'm 5 weeks into a 12 week run up to the 31st. Currently I'm 268 lbs (bigger than I've ever been...) about 8% BF 6'2" 47 years old. With that kind of size maybe you should consider competing..lol My cycle at this point is pretty heavy and I plan to prime and go off AAS for 4 weeks again in November. Anyway, this is what it is...

Test E 1.5 grams
MENT Ace 1050 mg
Tren E 600 mg
Tren A 300 mg
Masteron P 700 mg
Deca 400 mg (joints)
Anavar 100 mg ed
Proviron 50 mg ed
HGH 10 i.u.'s 5 on 2 off.
Also doing .5 mg of prami ed for prolactin control as well as vitamin B1-B6-B12 injections.

I was planning on dropping the Test E 3 weeks out and replacing it with 700 mg Test P.
Dropping the MENT ACE 2 weeks out.
Dropping the Deca 4 weeks out.
Increase the Masteron to 1000 mg 3 weeks out.
What would you suggest with the Var and the HGH? Keep var at 100 mg ed and take out GH 1 week out.
I've never used An AI on cycle either but I have some Aromasin and was wondering if I should use it? Run it the last 6 weeks when you begin cardio. At what point would you start and how would you dose it?

Also, I've been doing no cardio for the last 3 months figuring I'd get more out of it at the end of the cut. Correct! When and how much do you suggest doing? Start cardio 6 weeks out at 20 minutes 6 x per week (not on leg day) and increase duration by 10 minutes each session every 2 weeks if needed.

Thanks

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[slimshady01]

Good god Titan why don't you compete ?? I could never run all that unless it was paying my bills.

[The Titan99]

Good god Titan why don't you compete ?? I could never run all that unless it was paying my bills.

HA!! No wife, no permanent girlfriend (Thailand), no kids, no mortgage, no car payments and I live in Thailand where the only thing cheaper than chicken and fish are eggs, brown rice and fibrous green vegetables...

And I also have a awesome source. Come on over...

[mockery]

HA!! No wife, no permanent girlfriend (Thailand), no kids, no mortgage, no car payments and I live in Thailand where the only thing cheaper than chicken and fish are eggs, brown rice and fibrous green vegetables...

And I also have a awesome source. Come on over...

ive been thinking for years to come out there, is it easy to find work as a white boy? a mate of mine from Australia owns a few apartment blocks in Bangkok. i wanna just eat sleep and juice and play poker.

[The Titan99]

I'll PM you.

[517732]

Ronnie you are the man bro. MUCH RESPECT!

[slimshady01]

Thanks Ron,

If I went the test deca route I would drop the propecia during that time anyway and resume when off deca. Deca and propecia are not a good combo sexually and with hairloss.