Short heavy cyles explained- PB theory

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WOOOW Anthony your colours are really showing now, what ever you say am tired of going over the same old stuff, ive posted the truth many times but you just never take it in,

PB has been discredited in this thread. Why are you following him? And why can't you address the issue at hand, instead of attacking me, calling me jealous, saying my colors are showing, saying I look stupid, etc...?

The issue at hand is that T- Nation (T.C. Luoma, Brian Batchelodor, AND Ron Harris) all found that PB's credentials were falsified and lied about.

The issue at hand is that his old buisness partners ALSO said that PB did not have any of those credentials.

The issue at hand is that Jason Meuller ALSO said that PB did NOT have any of the credentials that he said he did.

Why would they lie? They aren't connected with Weider, and have nothing to gain by attacking PB...

Seriously....can you stop attacking me and explain why everyone who has investigated PB has come to the conslusion that he did not have ANY of the academic or real-life credentials he claimed to have? We're not talking about possible political motivations of one BB'er (Dorian) here...we're talking about 100% of his claimed client list, a website he wrote for, and several other people who knew him as buisness partners...

Why are ALL of those people lying? Can you answer why EVERYBODY who has investigated PB has discovered he has no such degrees or clients? And can you answer that without attacking my character?

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I want this post on this page as well...I think it bears repeating, so everyone can see that PB did NOT have ANY degree in ANYTHING he claimed, and that he was investigated, and found to have NO CREDENTIALS that he said he did!

Here are Jason Meuller's words (slightly edited for length) on PB's claims that he worked with several other very well-known bodybuilders (all of whom DENIED doing anything PB told them to do). In fact, PB's "credentials" (degrees, people he worked with, pharmacology articles, published medical papers)...have all failed to have been verified by an independant third party! In short...MOST of what PB claimed...seems to have been disputed...he didn't have all of the degrees, scientific background, etc...that anybody who interviewed him was able to confirm!

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The day before this article was sent off to be posted, we contacted Ian Harrison by telephone in England to get his comments about some recent claims made on Biohazard849, Paul Borrseson's UK website. Specifically, Borreson is still claiming an association with Ian and claims Ian had nothing to do with the recent breakup. Here's what Ian had to say.

AE: Ian, what is the status of your relationship with Paul Borreson?

Ian: I've split with Paul Borreson and I have no connection with Biohazard UK anymore.

AE: What role will you play, if any, in the future of Biohazard USA?

Ian: My future is most definitely in the USA, and I feel confident I will be working with Trevor Smith.

So that's it folks! Seems something fishy is about with Paul Borreson and Biohazard UK since he still claims a relationship with Ian. You heard it hear first!

Copyright 1999 Jason Meuller and Anabolic Extreme. This material may not be copied, reproduced, or transmitted without the express written permission of the copyright owners.

THE BIOHAZARD USA ARTICLE
THE REAL SITUATION......

IT HAS COME TO BIOHAZARD USA'S ATTENTION THAT WE HAVE BEEN DUPED.....LIED TO, AND BASICALLY MADE TO LOOK LIKE A ****ING FOOL....

BIOHAZARD USA WAS FOUNDED BY IAN HARRISON AND TREVOR SMITH WHO WERE INSPIRED BY THE PRINCIPLES SET FORTH, BUT SELDOM FOLLOWED BY PAUL BORRESEN....DURING THIS PROCESS WE WERE LED TO BELIEVE MANY THINGS...ALL OF WHICH WE HAVE COME TO FIND OUT HAVE BEEN UN-TRUE!!!

HOWEVER, BECAUSE WE BELIEVED IN WHAT WE WERE TOLD AND BECAUSE WE ARE LOYAL PEOPLE, WE DECIDED TO TAKE A BACK SEAT AND LET PAUL BORRESEN HAVE ALL THE CREDIT

THIS, OF COURSE, WILL NO LONGER CONTINUE!!!

AS WE SPEAK THERE ARE A PLETHORA OF LAWSUITS TARGETED AT MR. BORRESEN FOR MAKING UN-SUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS....NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS THAT THE GREAT DORIAN YATES IS A DRUG ADDICT.....THIS IS NOT ONLY UNFAIR, BUT DEAD WRONG, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE SOURCE WHO HIMSELF IS KNOWN TO HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF, SHALL WE SAY, PERSONAL ISSUES...... IT HAS ALSO COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT PAUL BORRESEN IS MAKING CLAIMS THAT HE IS COACHING LEE PRIEST FOR THE MR. OLYMPIA AND THAT HE PERSONALLY KNOWS LEE USES 3000MG OF GEAR PER DAY!!! WELL UPON SPEAKING TO LEE TO CLEAR SOME THINGS UP HE PROVED THE TYPE OF MAN HE IS BY BASICALLY LAUGHING AT THE WHOLE THING. LET’S FACE IT 3000MG WOULD KILL A ****ING BULL, NOT TO MENTION THAT THERE IS NO REASON TO USE THESE AMOUNTS…..PAUL BORRESEN ALSO STATED THAT LEE EATS 30 BIG MACS A DAY IN THE OFF SEASON AND GETS AWAY WITH THIS BY USING A TON OF INSULIN…..THIS IS ALSO A JOKE SINCE AFTER SPEAKING WITH LEE AND HIS DOCTOR WE FOUND OUT THAT LEE IS HYPO-GLYCEMIC AND NEVER—NOR CAN HE EVER—USE INSULIN….

BOTH TREVOR SMITH AND IAN HARRISON ALONG WITH CHRIS SNEDDON (WHO WERE ALL ON HAND TO CARRY PAUL BORRESEN THROUGH THE USA SEMINAR BECAUSE OF HIS HORRIBLE CONDITION) HAVE NOW SPOKEN WITH BOTH DORIAN YATES AND KERRY KAYES AND ABOUT 30 OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN LEFT HOLDING THE BAG OF SHIT CREATED BY PAUL BORRESEN

WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME TO APOLOGIZE WHOLE HEARTEDLY FOR ANY SLANDEROUS INFORMATION THAT APPEARED IN OUR WEBSITE IN REGARDS TO DORIAN YATES, CHEMICAL NUTRITION, KERRY KAYES, BRIAN BATCHELDOR T.C. LUOMA AND TESTOSTERONE.NET........AS IT TURNS OUT, THEY HAD EVERY RIGHT TO PULL THE INTERVIEW WITH PAUL BORRESEN DUE TO THE FACT THAT NONE OF HIS CLAIMS COULD BE SUBSTANTIATED---EVEN THOUGH WE WERE ASSURED THAT COPIES OF ALL LITERATURE PUBLISHED AND ALL DEGREES WERE SENT FED-EX TO T.C. LUOMA AT TESTOSTERONE.NET TO VALIDATE PAUL'S CREDENTIALS.... (UNFORTUNATELY THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE BY SOMEONE CLAIMING TO BE BOTH A PHARMACOLOGIST, BIOCHEMIST AND NOW A DOCTOR, BUT WHO IS NOT ANY OF THE ABOVE)

IN SHORT, BIOHAZARD USA IS HERE TO STAY HOLDING TRUE TO IT'S PRINCIPLES......WE HAVE NEVER LIED TO ANYONE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE BEEN LIED TO A GREAT NUMBER OF TIMES BY THE VERY PERSON WE WERE TRYING TO PROMOTE........ IT SHOULD ALSO BE MADE KNOWN THAT THE REASON WE HAVE BEEN DELAYED IN HAVING OUR PRODUCTS AVAILABLE IS THAT SEVERAL SHIPMENTS WHICH WERE PRE-PAID FOR WERE NEVER SENT BY PAUL BORRESEN WHO INSTEAD STRUNG US ALONG CLAIMING THEY WERE SENT OR BEING SENT AND THAT IT WAS CUSTOMS FAULT THAT THEY DID NOT GET HERE.....OF COURSE WE RECENTLY FOUND OUT THE PRODUCTS WERE NEVER SHIPPED, BUT THAT THE MONEY SENT FOR THEM WENT INSTEAD INTO MR. BORRESENS POCKET....THIS WAS THE SAME SCENARIO FOR PROMINENT NATIONAL COMPETITOR JUSTIN BROOKES, WHOM BOTH TREVOR AND IAN HELPED IN THE OFF SEASON TO GET TO HIS BIGGEST EVER (293LBS) ONLY TO WATCH A NON-FUNCTIONAL PAUL BORRESEN **** UP HIS WHOLE CONTEST PREP BY NOT SENDING HIS PROGRAMS AND SCREWING HIM OUT OF 800 DOLLARS. THE END RESULT FOR JUSTIN WAS THAT HE WEIGHED IN AT 242LBS.....A FAR CRY FROM THE 265LBS HE SHOULD HAVE CARRIED ON THE STAGE HAD SOMEONE NOT COMPLETELY ****ED HIS ENTIRE CONTEST PREP.....

Here's what Ron Harris wrote about PB, for T-N ation...apparently not only were Paul's claims about his credentials unable to be verified, they were TOTALLY ****ING FALSE!

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Stacked to Death" is John Romano’s belated review of the late Paul Borreson’s book, The Stack. Paul lost a great deal of credibility with T- Nation readers a couple years ago after it turned out the academic credentials he touted in an interview with us were false, and his ‘star client,’ Dorian Yates, claimed to have never associated with him. The insane quantities of steroids that Borreson advocates as a "quick fix" for the genetically average totaled up to nearly thirteen grams a week, a cycle he and his clients supposedly thrived on.

PB did NOT have all of those degrees, clients, etc...he was a ****ing FRAUD!

Believe who you want, but PB was a F-ing Fraud. He didn't have any of the credentials he claimed to have, nobody followed his advice, and he had nearly no idea what he was talking about.

Here's a comment about his ACTUAL stats (he competed as a light heavyweight):

TREVOR SMITH: WHEN I FIRST CONTACTED PAUL HE TOLD ME HE WAS 285LBS IN 10% BODYFAT....WHEN I FINALLY SAW HIM FOR THE FIRST TIME HE WAS AROUND 245LBS. I HAVE ONLY SEEN PICTURES OF HIM IN CONTEST SHAPE AND HE WEIGHED AROUND 200LBS.....THE THING IS, IS THAT HE TOLD ME THAT HE WOULD BE 306LBS BY THE TIME OF THE SEMINAR, SO I PROMOTED HIM IN ALL THE ADVERTISEMENTS AS A 5'8'' 306LB FREAK OF NATURE WITH 23'' CALVES, AND WHAT SHOWED UP WAS SOMEONE WHO WAS NOT FIT TO DO MUCH OF ANYTHING DUE TO EXTREMELY POOR HEALTH MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY AND WEIGHED ABOUT 225LBS.

It's ok. He doesn't have the clientele, the stats, or credentials he claimed he did....but for some reason that makes ME THE BAD GUY!?!?!

[BIG_T_MC06]

Ok so now itscome down to flaming a dead guy.

Back to the matter in hand about the short heavy cycles and their place in BBing.

AR do you believe that the human body grows in spurts or phases (like a child has growth spurts) and not continually?

[marcus300]

I want this post on this page as well...I think it bears repeating, so everyone can see that PB did NOT have ANY degree in ANYTHING he claimed, and that he was investigated, and found to have NO CREDENTIALS that he said he did!

Here are Jason Meuller's words (slightly edited for length) on PB's claims that he worked with several other very well-known bodybuilders (all of whom DENIED doing anything PB told them to do). In fact, PB's "credentials" (degrees, people he worked with, pharmacology articles, published medical papers)...have all failed to have been verified by an independant third party! In short...MOST of what PB claimed...seems to have been disputed...he didn't have all of the degrees, scientific background, etc...that anybody who interviewed him was able to confirm!



PB did NOT have all of those degrees, clients, etc...he was a ****ing FRAUD!

Believe who you want, but PB was a F-ing Fraud. He didn't have any of the credentials he claimed to have, nobody followed his advice, and he had nearly no idea what he was talking about.

Here's a comment about his ACTUAL stats (he competed as a light heavyweight):



It's ok. He doesn't have the clientele, the stats, or credentials he claimed he did....but for some reason that makes ME THE BAD GUY!?!?!

I am sorry if i offended you by saying i think your jealous of Paul B but thats my opinion, my reasoning behind this is that you constant trying to discredit the whole concept of short cycling and then when we have debated short cycling and we cant argue anymore you start on something else like Paul B to try and discredit the theory, truth is you cant discredit this because so many people say it works great,

Also why i find myself not believing a word you say is because you contradict yourself so many times and one of the most reasons why i think you don't know what your talking about on this subject is you said you didn't understand it, i will quote -

1, "I'm not 100% familiar with the prime/burst as Marcus is using the terms."

if your not 100% familiar with prime and burst cycle how can you comment so much and think your right when truth is by your own words your not 100% familiar with the whole idea?
as soon as you said that i knew what i was dealing with, no disrespect intended,

2, i quote again "I am not criticizing the man himself, but rather an idea (Short Heavy Cycles) which has no scientific foundation" post 294

You have constantly said that they are no good and the worse thing anyone could do but when i said the results speak for themselves and you cant knock many BB's results stating good results you come back with yet another wonderful statement and i quote -

"And I admit that short/heavy cycles work. I think they don't work as well as other (much safer) alternatives".
post 299 one hand you state one thing and when proven wrong you contradict yourself by saying they work but now not as good as other methods!!


Your remarks about Paul B are ridicules, do you really think he could pass himself off without having said qualifications? could he hell as not, in the UK there was a programme on the BBC about Paul and his work with Aids victims and the use of AAS he had one patient who had his life extended by 5 yrs with Paul's work,do you really think he could have conned his way in? come on your an intelligent man? well i do have my doubt about that now tho!!

all the magazines he wrote for all his own publications and videos all the people he was advising, of course it was true, you just don't know the full story,, i will admit he was very outspoken and told it as it was and thats why he couldn't be seen having anything to do with DY because DY was going for the Weider contract and was trying to portray a certain image, Paul had no presences in that image DY was told to make statement that he never had anything to do with him ever, DY and PB were in contact nearly every day by phone, and the claims that DY never met are insane,

Paul set up a leading supplement company with Kerry Kayes and Brian Batcheldor in the UK, Paul was the brians behind it and produce the next generation proteins, in the side lines DY was there and it was decided that DY would endorse the product when he retired from the Mr O, Kery had known DY for the last 15yrs and Kerry and Paul was apart of DY's camp during his Mr O battles, everyone close to anyone in that camp knows the truth and in them days i was being advised by PB and DY camps on various issues, i know personally the truth, i only live a few miles away from the headquarters of the name company what PB,KK and DY owned,

what happened next was PB had some serious issues going on he broke his back and couldn't train or run the business, remember this guy was a monster and live bodybuilding so you can understand the frustration regarding not being able to train, infact he passed another qualification while in hospital while he was in traction, it was so funny because he couldn't train his body so he said he was training his brain, anyway while all this was going on DY was ready to front the company with KK so PB was bought out, if you knew DY and KK you would understand that when they say your being bought out thats what happens, Now PB was disgusted with the behavior of K and DY with how they went about it and he made this very open with the public so the company had its name changed and then went on to say it had nothing to do with PB or ever had, that is why alot of article stated this, KK and DY are not to be messed with and so PB was pushed out,

PB washed his hands of it and stop being so open with the truth and then went on to start another supplement company Bioharzard UK and USA with Ian Harrison and Trevor Smith
which later another supp co was started called Nuclear Nutrition, in the mean time Paul had some serious issues he couldn't train and weight was dropping of him, his back was in a horrible state, he was taking pain killers by the bucket load to try and numb the pain so he could train, this was his down fall, he couldn't stand being a normal man, he did have some madness in him but they say there is a fine line between genius and madness, anyway truth is he died and many people said he was mad and was doing all sorts towards the end of his life and if any of the company's had to survive they had to break away from this image he had with this very out spoken guru, drugs and supplements dont go hand in hand in the world today,
I have pics somewhere of Ian and PB in one of their videos, i will dig it out for you to see,

Statement from Biohazard USA -
"Paul Borresen died due to an overdose of pain killers which were being used to control the back pain Paul had nearly all of the time. Paul had been complaining more than usual after his time spent sleeping on an airport floor and then a long cramped flight home a week before his death."



Many people tried to discredit him because of the connections they had with PB because it doesn't look good to have anything to do with such a outspoken guru, the man was years ahead of his time and when he was in his prime he was untouchable,

Also which is going to be really tricky to mention but i feel you need to know, PB had the biggest UGL in UK which is another reason why they had to separate themselves from him, he also got busted by Narcotics squad, PB tried to take on board what everyone was saying and stop being so open about his work but they couldn't silence him, now can you see why the Pro's he was advising had to distance themselves away from him? can you see why supplements co had to distances themselves?

I would call him a proper steroid guru, some people have practical knowledge. Some people have the schooling. Paul Borresen has both, not to mention a 285-pound physique that doesn't stray far from around 8% body fat! How many of today's "gurus" do you know that can make the same claim?Here are some mags he wrote for and his own books-
Anabolic Edge,-1,The Anabolic Edge 2001
Written by the legend PB, this masterpiece, if you had to pick one, would be the best because it details the combination of drugs, supplements and foods and how they interact “anabolically” with each other more thoroughly than any steroid book.

The Stack,- How To Stack Steroids
The “Stack Master” strikes again. But this time Paul devotes an entire book The Stack to this most fascinating subject. Now you’ll easily be certified by the post office as a “new zip code” once you try any one of the dozens of stacks Paul has used to “manufacture” the biggest bodybuilders in the world. Must be 21 to read! The most controversial steroid book on the market.

The Big Secret,
The governor (mag)
Testosterone magazine,
Pump Magazine

Here are some of his achievement's-
Masters degree in pharmacology || Batchelors degree in biochemistry || Over 200 published articles || Author of the Anabolic Edge & The Big Secret || Author of the soon to be released An end to all secrets || Founder of Chemical Warefare (No longer associated) || Founder of BIOHAZARD Creator of THE GOVERNOR || British Northeast Heavyweight Champion || Coached Hundreds of champions including the great but now bitter Dorian Yates. Currently coaching 5 Pro`s including Ian Harrison, along with 150 local and top level amateurs. Self proclaimed owner of "the biggest calves on the planet!!"

Anthony he didn't copy other peoples work and publish it and pass it off as his own work like many proclaim guru of todays world, he looked like a bodybuilder and ran his life like one, i have nothing to gain for my claims, i have nothing to sell or need new client and i don't have any magic pills for sale,i have no motive not like some on here.

if you don't believe it thats fine, but Ive done with your constantly trying discredit anything i say, all i can say is, results speak for themselves and in your own words you really are not "100% familiar" with whole process surrounding short cycling so i cant take anything you say with any credibility,

I have 18yrs worth of experience in this game and it took me yrs to find out what works for me, i made good solid gains from 3-4 months cycle but shortly afterwords i couldn't really keep gaining, things slowed down alot, i only built muscle in the first half of cycle, Paul B and DY team told me to try this way, i did and i started to build again, now over the years i swapped and changed with cycles but i always go back to this whole process priming,short cycling, diet and intense training, it works and it will work for many others, its worth trying,

results speak for themselves, you childish comments are making you look very unprofessional in my eyes trying to constant slag this way of cycling, one day you say it works next it doesn't,

I hope Ive opened your eyes alittle and you can take all this in because it is the truth, one last thing you may carry on trying to discredit everything anybody says but results speak for themselves and let people try it and see for themselves thats what i did with warrior and just look how much he changed,

We don't know everything about everything and sometimes we need to stop listen and learn, thinking your view is the only one with any credibility speaks volumes to me, we can all learn form everybody, when we use chemicals within the body we all react differently there is nothing set in stone,

[Maldorf]

I just finished a 5 week heavy cycle and thought I would post my results. In the first 3 weeks I put on 20 pounds, and then during the last 2 weeks I put on another 2 pounds taking my weight from 228 up to 250 pounds at 6 foot tall. I think the gain during the last 2 weeks was lower because I was going off of dbol and losing water. I could see the results in the mirror. I went in for a physical last thursday, after being off for just 4 days. Everything at the physical went fine, he even ran an ekg. My blood test came back, after only being off for 5 days, as about I expected it would. My liver enzymes were elevated for the ast and alt. These numbers were about the same or a little lower than after running longer cycles in the past. 5 days isnt long to recover, I just wanted to see where they were at. I was happily surprised to find that everything else on the blood test came back within normal ranges. Usually my blood pressure is elevated but it was not! My rbc count and colesterol were normal and in the past they were both elevated. Ill have another test run in about 3 weeks before I embark on another cycle.
So far my recovery, as far as energy and strength, seems about the same as after a long cycle. Although I might mention that sides I was having subsided much faster this time around. I have shed 6 pounds doing my priming diet and lost a 1/2 inch off of my waist. Strength is actually going up just a bit, so all of my weight loss appears to be fat and water weight. I am taking HCG right now. I have just finished week 1 of PCT.

[marcus300]

I just finished a 5 week heavy cycle and thought I would post my results. In the first 3 weeks I put on 20 pounds, and then during the last 2 weeks I put on another 2 pounds taking my weight from 228 up to 250 pounds at 6 foot tall. I think the gain during the last 2 weeks was lower because I was going off of dbol and losing water. I could see the results in the mirror. I went in for a physical last thursday, after being off for just 4 days. Everything at the physical went fine, he even ran an ekg. My blood test came back, after only being off for 5 days, as about I expected it would. My liver enzymes were elevated for the ast and alt. These numbers were about the same or a little lower than after running longer cycles in the past. 5 days isnt long to recover, I just wanted to see where they were at. I was happily surprised to find that everything else on the blood test came back within normal ranges. Usually my blood pressure is elevated but it was not! My rbc count and colesterol were normal and in the past they were both elevated. Ill have another test run in about 3 weeks before I embark on another cycle.
So far my recovery, as far as energy and strength, seems about the same as after a long cycle. Although I might mention that sides I was having subsided much faster this time around. I have shed 6 pounds doing my priming diet and lost a 1/2 inch off of my waist. Strength is actually going up just a bit, so all of my weight loss appears to be fat and water weight. I am taking HCG right now. I have just finished week 1 of PCT.

Only 5 days after cycle and your bloodwork is better than when you have run longer cycles, excellent results and thanks for posting them they speak for themselves.

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I would call him a proper steroid guru, some people have practical knowledge. Some people have the schooling. Paul Borresen has both, not to mention a 285-pound physique that doesn't stray far from around 8% body fat! How many of today's "gurus" do you know that can make the same claim?

Point of note:

PB was a very out of shape 245lbs (according to one IFBB professional), and his contest weight was 200lbs. His theories didn't really work that well for him.

you childish comments are making you look very unprofessional in my eyes trying to constant slag this way of cycling, one day you say it works next it doesn't,

Can you point out (post the actual comments from me) where I said this method doesn't work (at all)? My comments are simply that it is inferior to other ways of cycling.

Taking steroids works, no matter how you take them. Taking them in this manner will work....just less well than almost any other way of doing so.

PB was living proof of this. He was mega-dosing and only managed to be a fat 245 according to the IFBB professional who commented on his actual stats.

[marcus300]

I just finished a 5 week heavy cycle and thought I would post my results. In the first 3 weeks I put on 20 pounds, and then during the last 2 weeks I put on another 2 pounds taking my weight from 228 up to 250 pounds at 6 foot tall. I think the gain during the last 2 weeks was lower because I was going off of dbol and losing water. I could see the results in the mirror. I went in for a physical last thursday, after being off for just 4 days. Everything at the physical went fine, he even ran an ekg. My blood test came back, after only being off for 5 days, as about I expected it would. My liver enzymes were elevated for the ast and alt. These numbers were about the same or a little lower than after running longer cycles in the past. 5 days isnt long to recover, I just wanted to see where they were at. I was happily surprised to find that everything else on the blood test came back within normal ranges. Usually my blood pressure is elevated but it was not! My rbc count and colesterol were normal and in the past they were both elevated. Ill have another test run in about 3 weeks before I embark on another cycle.
So far my recovery, as far as energy and strength, seems about the same as after a long cycle. Although I might mention that sides I was having subsided much faster this time around. I have shed 6 pounds doing my priming diet and lost a 1/2 inch off of my waist. Strength is actually going up just a bit, so all of my weight loss appears to be fat and water weight. I am taking HCG right now. I have just finished week 1 of PCT.

Can you PM me your full cycle and your priming process pls?

[marcus300]

I just finished a 5 week heavy cycle and thought I would post my results. In the first 3 weeks I put on 20 pounds, and then during the last 2 weeks I put on another 2 pounds taking my weight from 228 up to 250 pounds at 6 foot tall. I think the gain during the last 2 weeks was lower because I was going off of dbol and losing water. I could see the results in the mirror. I went in for a physical last thursday, after being off for just 4 days. Everything at the physical went fine, he even ran an ekg. My blood test came back, after only being off for 5 days, as about I expected it would. My liver enzymes were elevated for the ast and alt. These numbers were about the same or a little lower than after running longer cycles in the past. 5 days isnt long to recover, I just wanted to see where they were at. I was happily surprised to find that everything else on the blood test came back within normal ranges. Usually my blood pressure is elevated but it was not! My rbc count and colesterol were normal and in the past they were both elevated. Ill have another test run in about 3 weeks before I embark on another cycle.
So far my recovery, as far as energy and strength, seems about the same as after a long cycle. Although I might mention that sides I was having subsided much faster this time around. I have shed 6 pounds doing my priming diet and lost a 1/2 inch off of my waist. Strength is actually going up just a bit, so all of my weight loss appears to be fat and water weight. I am taking HCG right now. I have just finished week 1 of PCT.

Thanks for the PM, i was impressed with the results, excellent work

[tek.]

paul-b was a joke but this theory works

[Maldorf]

paul-b was a joke but this theory works

Impression I am getting about Paul is that he wasnt a "joke" until after he had that terrible back injury and ended up using those recreational drugs. SOunds like he was a monster physically before the incident, and it was only after that things went downhill.

[rodge]

Impression I am getting about Paul is that he wasnt a "joke" until after he had that terrible back injury and ended up using those recreational drugs. SOunds like he was a monster physically before the incident, and it was only after that things went downhill.

wich is a common reaction wich most of us prob would get if the one thing in life were totaly dedicated to is impossible to perform. and if you are extreme in one thing and that thing falls away then mostlikely you end up falling into other extreme behaviour.

-rodge

[marcus300]

Impression I am getting about Paul is that he wasnt a "joke" until after he had that terrible back injury and ended up using those recreational drugs. SOunds like he was a monster physically before the incident, and it was only after that things went downhill.

Yes your correct, after the back injury his life went down hill, the man was years ahead of the game and which other Of todays "so called" guro's will be talked about years after their death? if you buy any of his videos or books you will see what he looked like he wasnt scared of showing it off in his videos, again not like todays guro who look like long distance runners

I cant see why we keep going on about someone who cant defend himself, lets get back to the matter in hand, short cycling works, Maldorf's results yet again speak for themselves.

Thanks for the input

[Maldorf]

wich is a common reaction wich most of us prob would get if the one thing in life were totaly dedicated to is impossible to perform. and if you are extreme in one thing and that thing falls away then mostlikely you end up falling into other extreme behaviour.

-rodge

Exactly. Im sure bodybuilding was one of the, if not biggest, parts of his life. I sometimes try to imagine what I would do under similar circumstances and it always leads to depressing thoughts. I pray that never happens to me. I know its bad enough for me to take off a few weeks when I get a minor injury or illness. I have respect for Paul.

[marcus300]

wich is a common reaction wich most of us prob would get if the one thing in life were totaly dedicated to is impossible to perform. and if you are extreme in one thing and that thing falls away then mostlikely you end up falling into other extreme behaviour.

-rodge

Exactly Rodge, he told me life wasnt worth living if he couldnt train, havent seen you around for a bit?

[Archetypes]

Going back to the original start of this post... I had been told about short/heavy cycles over a year ago but never followed up and did the research. This thread was very informative; my question is I have already obtained a bulking cycle consisting of 20ml of Deca 300 and 30ml of Test-E 200; is the short cycle completely out of the question with this or should I just ride it out as planned(10 weeks)?

[marcus300]

Going back to the original start of this post... I had been told about short/heavy cycles over a year ago but never followed up and did the research. This thread was very informative; my question is I have already obtained a bulking cycle consisting of 20ml of Deca 300 and 30ml of Test-E 200; is the short cycle completely out of the question with this or should I just ride it out as planned(10 weeks)?

First i wouldnt adivce using deca with a short cycle so id do your planned 10wk cycle, deca is hard to recover from and thats something what you dont need within a short cycle

[Archetypes]

Thanks for the advice...I will plan accordingly for the next round.

[gorgorothsatanis]

I use to know him, he adviced me a few years back on certain things,
its not just PB who as talked about this theory Dan Duchaine, Jeff Summers, have also used it and studied it with great success,

PB has a bachelor's degree in biochemistry he graduated with first class honours, he then went on to get his master's degree in pharmaclogy specializing in the study of receptor sites and their function, his work as been published in medical journals throughout the world and has had articles appear in over 200 magazines on various aspects of steriod use and their application to bodybuilders, he also transform the world aids victims and how we can substain life longer with steriod applications,top pro's ask PB for advice on stacks and cycles just to name one was DY who was under PB arm durring his Olympia battles,

i also know that Dorian said in interviews that he had nothing to do with PB or his theorys, but Dorian was pushed to say these things because of his sponsers, he still was in contact with him for years tho.
he also didnt die due to his steriod use, he broke his back in an accident which made him use pain killers so he could train again, he overdosed on the pain killers.

I think you can buy his books and videos online, just to name two of them-

1,The Anabolic Edge 2001
Written by the legend PB, this masterpiece, if you had to pick one, would be the best because it details the combination of drugs, supplements and foods and how they interact “anabolically” with each other more thoroughly than any steroid book.

Many stacks are discussed as only “Stack Master PB” can discuss them . . . HARD-CORE beyond HHHARD-CORE! This book, just on its own, is good for 20 pounds of muscle!

2,How To Stack Steroids
The “Stack Master” strikes again. But this time Paul devotes an entire book The Stack to this most fascinating subject. Now you’ll easily be certified by the post office as a “new zip code” once you try any one of the dozens of stacks Paul has used to “manufacture” the biggest bodybuilders in the world. Must be 21 to read! The most controversial steroid book on the market.

I am also an admirer of PB's work. I fully concur with Marcus: PB's recommendations are for ADVANCED gear users only. You haven't seen extreme until you read his recs. THE STACK book was my favorite because he laid out in detail his Ultimate stack. In addition to those books, he also had a magazine of his own for a little while (I only have one issue) called THE GOVERNOR and a website. After his death, one of his mates took it over and I am not sure if he still posts PB's old writings. Oh yeah he also wrote for PUMP magazine years back in case someone wants to go through their old issues.

[Andros]

First i wouldnt adivce using deca with a short cycle so id do your planned 10wk cycle, deca is hard to recover from and thats something what you dont need within a short cycle

So is it fair to say that you don't choose "hard recovery" compounds for short cycles?

Which AAS do you categorise as good for a short cycle?

[Warrior]

So is it fair to say that you don't choose "hard recovery" compounds for short cycles?

Which AAS do you categorise as good for a short cycle?

Simply avoid the progestenic stuff; they have a greater raise in total hormone levels, so they can shut you down harder... stuff like trenbolone and nandrolone. I would say stick to testosterone for a first run... asses the effectiveness and then play with it from there...

[marcus300]

Simply avoid the progestenic stuff; they have a greater raise in total hormone levels, so they can shut you down harder... stuff like trenbolone and nandrolone. I would say stick to testosterone for a first run... asses the effectiveness and then play with it from there...

Agreed

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[MASSA]

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Yes he wrote many articles, here is alittle article which was posted on Bihazzard ...

To go back to a thread which was covered a while ago on how much protein
can be digested in one sitting. This quote is taken from
www.biohazardusa.com as part of a pulled article from Paul Borreson for
Testosterone magazine.


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Here's another quote about Paul Borreson, also from Testosterone Magazine:

"Paul lost a great deal of credibility with T- mag readers a couple years ago after it turned out the academic credentials he touted in an interview with us were false, and his ‘star client,’ Dorian Yates, claimed to have never associated with him. "

Enjoy.

[marcus300]

Here's another quote about Paul Borreson, also from Testosterone Magazine:

"Paul lost a great deal of credibility with T- mag readers a couple years ago after it turned out the academic credentials he touted in an interview with us were false, and his ‘star client,’ Dorian Yates, claimed to have never associated with him. "

Enjoy.

If you knew PB you would know why DY had to claim he didnt talk with him has a client because of his outspoken views on AAS, DY was trying to conquer the Mr O and he was told to distances himself from Paul otherwise he wouldnt get a contract.

His work was his own and didnt copy's anybody elses and claim it was his, he was a true guru and he looked like one!!

Its so funny how you try to discredit a dead man, i feel alittle jealousy coming through with your post's.

I could quote rumours regarding your status but I guess everyone as read all about it on various boards thats why your products seem to get a bashing everywhere you try and push them.

[Booz]

lets keep this from a slanging match over a dead person please,this thread is about short cycles not about the cred of anyone......................

[Booz]

keep this to the subject at hand....................

[marcus300]

lets keep this from a slanging match over a dead person please,this thread is about short cycles not about the cred of anyone......................

Thanks booz

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lets keep this from a slanging match over a dead person please,this thread is about short cycles not about the cred of anyone......................

I think that if a person's credentials are listed as a reason to listen to them, then it should be fair game to talk about them.

[Maldorf]

All I know is that this is the third short heavy cycle that i have run and they all have worked great for me. I dont think I will be switching back to the more traditional cycles anytime soon.

[jdsogge]

Im def going to use this route from now on.

thanx bros

[marcus300]

All I know is that this is the third short heavy cycle that i have run and they all have worked great for me. I dont think I will be switching back to the more traditional cycles anytime soon.

Excellent news Maldorf, not seen you around for abit.

[marcus300]

All I know is that this is the third short heavy cycle that i have run and they all have worked great for me. I dont think I will be switching back to the more traditional cycles anytime soon.

Excellent news Maldorf, not seen you around for abit.

[Baba]

I remember about a month ago I started a thread about Author L. Rea building the perfect beast. His concept is somewhat similar to this one, 30 day cycles. Get in grow hard and get out b/4 HPTA supresses. I believe everyone who responded to the thread flammed the shit out it and made fun of the whole idea of only doing a cycle for 30 days. I'm glad to see a similar thread come up and people actually taking time out to think about it instead of just automatically dismissing the idea.

[llrockyll]

marcus300 im looking to lose about 50lbs for the summer i wanna get ripped around 5%bf. should i just run a long cycle and get ripped, then run these short heavy cycles? i have a few cycles under my belt so ide like to give 1 a try. also u said u should be priming for 6-8 weeks so does that mean after u do a short heavy cycle u should wait 6-8 weeks for priming again to do another short heavy cycle and is it ok to start priming during pct? sry if this is confusing just trying to soak it all in.

[marcus300]

marcus300 im looking to lose about 50lbs for the summer i wanna get ripped around 5%bf. should i just run a long cycle and get ripped, then run these short heavy cycles? i have a few cycles under my belt so ide like to give 1 a try. also u said u should be priming for 6-8 weeks so does that mean after u do a short heavy cycle u should wait 6-8 weeks for priming again to do another short heavy cycle and is it ok to start priming during pct? sry if this is confusing just trying to soak it all in.

If you want to lose 50lbs for summer I would start dieting and intense cardio program and lose as much bf as possible naturally before taking any kind of compounds, look at compounds when you have the stubborn bf to shift.

After you have achieved your body fat level yes you could do short cycles, priming should be done 8 wks before any type of short cycling this will open the growth window for muscle tissue to grow very fast.

Dont start priming while in pct, do it when you have fully recovered.

[vitor]

IIOCKYll-Personally, If possible I would rather use GH rather than AAS for losing BF most of the time. It will keep you anti-catabolic and help with fat-burning to...

Short-burst AAS cycles are perfect right after cutting b/c of the rebound effect, So look at the big picture and take advantage of that...

[goose]

Its strange that I went to a Yates camp with few mates,in a discrete manner I had a brief talk to him on PB,he confirmed that his most main ideology revolutionized BB at the time,early 90`s.You have to remeber back then they did not have the tools like we do today.Its so easy to find a study on the net.He had none of this and look what he achieved.He said he was a crazy guys on drugs,involved with gangsters,and even this story of him being thrown out the window.So him lying on things is not surprising,does not mean he his ideas are worthless,NO.Guy is a legend.

[goose]

Its strange that I went to a Yates camp with few mates,in a discrete manner I had a brief talk to him on PB,he confirmed that his most main ideology revolutionized at the time,early 90`s.You have to remeber back then they did not have the tools like we do today.Its so easy to find a study on the net.He had none of this and look what he achieved.He said he was a crazy guys on drugs,involved with gangsters,and even this story of him being thrown out the window.So him lying on things is not surprising,does not mean he his ideas are worthless,NO.Guy is a legend.

This is a picture I took of my mate with the legend.God what a gym,my hero.