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[kml999]

Ronnie,
I did ask you about a workout routine, but last week I decided to dedicate each big muscle group alone and it seems to work for me. My chest is a bit behind compared to the other muscle groups so I decided to go with this plan:


Day 1 - Chest and Calves
Day 2 - Back
Day 3 - legs
Day 4 - Shoulder
Day 5 - Triceps, Biceps and shrugs
Day 6 - Off
Day 7 - Off

Anything wrong with the routine above? Or you think I should take a day off in between? I want to make sure I can take my gym off days during the weekend

I have a couple of days left to complete my deload and since I have Test E, Dbol , Mast E, Tren E, Eq and Deca

How should my dosages for the reload be for bulking that is? I know it’s not safe to take all of the above together, but I tried deca and honestly I wasn’t impressed and don’t know if tren is going to help me in gaining more weight? I believe you recommend test/tren/mast and came up with this:

1g Test E, 400mgs Tren E, 300mgs Mast E

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie,
I did ask you about a workout routine, but last week I decided to dedicate each big muscle group alone and it seems to work for me. My chest is a bit behind compared to the other muscle groups so I decided to go with this plan:


Day 1 - Chest and Calves
Day 2 - Back
Day 3 - legs
Day 4 - Shoulder
Day 5 - Triceps, Biceps and shrugs
Day 6 - Off
Day 7 - Off

Anything wrong with the routine above? Or you think I should take a day off in between? I want to make sure I can take my gym off days during the weekend

I have a couple of days left to complete my deload and since I have Test E, Dbol , Mast E, Tren E, Eq and Deca

How should my dosages for the reload be for bulking that is? I know it’s not safe to take all of the above together, but I tried deca and honestly I wasn’t impressed and don’t know if tren is going to help me in gaining more weight? I believe you recommend test/tren/mast and came up with this:

1g Test E, 400mgs Tren E, 300mgs Mast E

I would take off a day after legs to allow your CNS to recover. Also I don't like training large muscle groups like back and legs back to back. You could train chest day 1, back day 2, shoulders day 3, arms, day 4, legs day 5 then take 2 days off! Test/tren/mast and dbol will put some serious size on you. 25 mgs of Dbol would probably be enough. Test,deca and dbol works well also. I would choose test,tren,mast if dbol was not used. Test,deca, and mast would be my second option given no dbol was used.

[mockery]

Hey big Ron!

i know you are not a fan of volume training or twice a week training, but since i have a training partner for my next reload and deload. I really wanna focus on a frank Zane style routine. 3 on 1 off so body parts will be getting worked twice a week but using 75% of rep maxes weight. and 5 second negatives on the down phase. In setting up a volume style routine, should i be focused more or the number of sets im doing weekly or the reps i do weekly.

thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey big Ron!

i know you are not a fan of volume training or twice a week training, but since i have a training partner for my next reload and deload. I really wanna focus on a frank Zane style routine. 3 on 1 off so body parts will be getting worked twice a week but using 75% of rep maxes weight. and 5 second negatives on the down phase. In setting up a volume style routine, should i be focused more or the number of sets im doing weekly or the reps i do weekly.

thanks

Twice a week training is perfectly fine but high volume training is hard on the joints and CNS if you train to failure. Keep in mind Frank Zane did not train to failure a lot when doing high volume training. I would focus on both reps and sets. On heavy days perform fewer sets and on light days perform more sets! 6 sets at 6-10 reps per major bodypart like the chest on heavy days and 9 sets at 12-15 reps on light days is a good plan. Do not train to failure every set or you will burnout too fast.

[skyjetcptn]

Wow, great info

[mockery]

thanks ron!!

with the push/pull/ legs/off/

do i wanna go pull/push/legs/rest or pull/ legs /push /off

I know you advocate having a day off after leg day , and i fully agree, but at the same time using the concept that muscles can be ready to fire again with in 48 hours, i was wondering if its better to have legs in the middle so that the shoulder girdle has time to rest before the next work out.

what are your thoughts or experience with this.

Thanks in advance mate!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

thanks ron!!

with the push/pull/ legs/off/

do i wanna go pull/push/legs/rest or pull/ legs /push /off

I know you advocate having a day off after leg day , and i fully agree, but at the same time using the concept that muscles can be ready to fire again with in 48 hours, i was wondering if its better to have legs in the middle so that the shoulder girdle has time to rest before the next work out.

what are your thoughts or experience with this.

Thanks in advance mate!! I have some right shoulder issues (supraspinatus tendon/bursitus) so I perosnally would have to either put legs in the middle as you suggested or train chest, shoulders, triceps on day 1, back, biceps and traps on day 2, and legs on day 3.

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how many mgs tren e=1000mgs test e????

[VASCULAR VINCE]

fish oil dosing?????

[Ronnie Rowland]

fish oil dosing?????

2-3 grams of EPA/ DHA daily.

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2-3 grams of EPA/ DHA daily.

thx..........doc rowland.........everyone grateful for words of wisdom!!!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

how many mgs tren e=1000mgs test e???? The main things to keep in mind is tren is 5x more potent than test.

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[Tron3219]

What's ur take on t3/albuterol on deload to reduce bf? Or t3 usage in general.

-TroN-

[VASCULAR VINCE]

big ron...how much t4...with t3?????

[Ronnie Rowland]

big ron...how much t4...with t3?????

25 T-3/125-T4 works well for many.

[RyanGreg]

HEy Ron do the pros blast and cruise?

I was under the impression they just stay on for like 6 months plus.

[Ronnie Rowland]

HEy Ron do the pros blast and cruise?

I was under the impression they just stay on for like 6 months plus.

They stay on but they still blast and cruise by adding and removing various Orals/higher dosages on injectables at various times.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

anything outperform hcg...pct?????

[VASCULAR VINCE]

pasta...n...milk...high glycemic?????

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ron...can sex drive..shut down for good...after lengthy tren cycle??????


ron...does estrogen increase on using tren???


ron...tren..or...mast...=hair loss?????

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=VASCULAR VINCE;6404753]ron...can sex drive..shut down for good...after lengthy tren cycle??????It can for a long time due to it's androgenicity. Also, some find they can never get back to the point of being so horny as they were on tren until they get back on tren regardless of how much test they use. Goes to show you how strong tren actually is!
ron...does estrogen increase on using tren??? not really


ron...tren..or...mast...=hair loss????] Both if male pattern baldness runs in your family. Masteron is worse than trenbolone since it's a DHT derivative!?[/QUOTE above

[Ronnie Rowland]

pasta...n...milk...high glycemic?????Pasta yes because there is really no difference between sugars and starches. Milk would be no but milk stimulates insulin production ( insulinogenic) so it will make you gain body fat just as well..

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[Ronnie Rowland]

anything outperform hcg...pct?????

HMG seems to be a little more effective.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

HMG seems to be a little more effective.

cool...why tren..cause joint pain???????

[VASCULAR VINCE]

tren.. lowerblood sugar???? blood work fasting... n....glucose lower than normal.....

[Ronnie Rowland]

cool...why tren..cause joint pain???????The same reason any steroid can-it makes you stronger and your joints can't handle the stress.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

What's ur take on t3/albuterol on deload to reduce bf? Or t3 usage in general.

-TroN-

Albuterol is not an effective fat burner like clenbuterol. T3 is fine but it would be best to run it for longer than 2 weeks when cutting. It won't hurt you to run it at 50 per day during deloads. I would also recommend not allowing your body fat levels to get too high when reloading as this can make the body insulin resistance-hence fewer amino acids will be able to enter muscle cells for repair and growth. It's always best to gain lean mass slowly. All to often people go by the weight on the scales and they are deceived into thinking they are making mostly muscle gains when in reality it's more water and fat!

[Tron3219]

Albuterol is not an effective fat burner like clenbuterol. T3 is fine but it would be best to run it for longer than 2 weeks when cutting. It won't hurt you to run it at 50 per day during deloads. I would also recommend not allowing your body fat levels to get too high when reloading as this can make the body insulin resistance-hence fewer amino acids will be able to enter muscle cells for repair and growth. It's always best to gain lean mass slowly. All to often people go by the weight on the scales and they are deceived into thinking they are making mostly muscle gains when in reality it's more water and fat!

I'm between 12 and 15%. Hard to tell because of the water weight. Checking e2 soon to make sure it's in line. Water consumption a high. Sodium is a little high, but it's all sodium from foods, not added. But I understand the insulin resistance. That's why I'm asking about the t3. I understand that the deload is basically for recovery. Would this be hindered if ate maintenance cals with a higher dose of t3 to help keep body fat lower? My diets tight, and my fat gain is at a minimum but with a caloric surplus, ur going to gain fat. How do u deal with this most efficiently with ur slingshot technique? Would it be beat to do two reload blast, then a cutting blast?

-TroN-

[Ronnie Rowland]

I'm between 12 and 15%. Hard to tell because of the water weight. Checking e2 soon to make sure it's in line. Water consumption a high. Sodium is a little high, but it's all sodium from foods, not added. But I understand the insulin resistance. That's why I'm asking about the t3. I understand that the deload is basically for recovery. Would this be hindered if ate maintenance cals with a higher dose of t3 to help keep body fat lower? My diets tight, and my fat gain is at a minimum but with a caloric surplus, ur going to gain fat. How do u deal with this most efficiently with ur slingshot technique? Would it be beat to do two reload blast, then a cutting blast?
-TroN-

If you have a very low metabolism or need to cut body fat, then 50mcg of cytomel can definitely help during both reloads and deloads. I have never seen any long term thyroid being shut down so you can take it long term if desired.

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sugar alcohol .......count as carbs???????

[Ronnie Rowland]

sugar alcohol .......count as carbs??????? It can get a little complicated but yes count carbs in sugar alcohol since they still cause an insulin spike about half as much as real sugar and many contain 3 calories vs 4 calories found in sugar. Just go with carbs listed on label by FDA!

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[JWP806]

Ron,

I'm coming off of an 8 week tren ace (100mg ED) and Test E (250mg/week) blast. I am planning on running a 12-15 week test and deca blast because I have ran tren in both of my past blasts and I'm just wanting to get on a "feel-good" bulk cycle.

I just took my final tren ace shot today and am currently running test E at 250mg/week. My blast will be 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca per week. Being that it takes a while for both esters to build up in the body, when should I begin bumping my test up and take my first deca shot? Should I still wait two weeks in this case while I am doing my deload?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron,

I'm coming off of an 8 week tren ace (100mg ED) and Test E (250mg/week) blast. I am planning on running a 12-15 week test and deca blast because I have ran tren in both of my past blasts and I'm just wanting to get on a "feel-good" bulk cycle.

I just took my final tren ace shot today and am currently running test E at 250mg/week. My blast will be 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca per week. Being that it takes a while for both esters to build up in the body, when should I begin bumping my test up and take my first deca shot? Should I still wait two weeks in this case while I am doing my deload? Wait until deload is finished then begin test and tren at same time at beginning of reload.

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[JWP806]

Ron,

I'm coming off of an 8 week tren ace (100mg ED) and Test E (250mg/week) blast. I am planning on running a 12-15 week test and deca blast because I have ran tren in both of my past blasts and I'm just wanting to get on a "feel-good" bulk cycle.

I just took my final tren ace shot today and am currently running test E at 250mg/week. My blast will be 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca per week. Being that it takes a while for both esters to build up in the body, when should I begin bumping my test up and take my first deca shot? Should I still wait two weeks in this case while I am doing my deload? Wait until deload is finished then begin test and tren at same time at beginning of reload.above

Thanks but I'm going to be running deca during my reload - not tren. Should I still wait for two weeks for the deload before I start running deca? My thinking is that since it will take a while for the deca to build up in the system, I could start sooner than I would if I was shooting tren ace.

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron,
Quick macro question. I'm seeing guy's with vast differences in their diet macro's lately. Just talked to a guy that says he's lean bulking with 350 protein, 500 carb, 100 fat!! What's up with that carb figure? If I ate 500 g of carbs I think I'd look like the Michelin Man. To get around 4200-4500 I usually bulk at around 450/300/120. Am I off here or is it really that much of an individual thing? Should I raise carb intake?

Also, I recently read that Tren when combined with high carb meals raises your body temperature, which may be part of the cause of night sweats, especially when carbs are consumed before bed. Since I heard that I think it might be a valid point. I know your not a big fan of carbs in evening meals. Could this be one more reason to stay with protein/fat meals for the last one or two meals of the day?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron,
Quick macro question. I'm seeing guy's with vast differences in their diet macro's lately. Just talked to a guy that says he's lean bulking with 350 protein, 500 carb, 100 fat!! What's up with that carb figure? If I ate 500 g of carbs I think I'd look like the Michelin Man. To get around 4200-4500 I usually bulk at around 450/300/120. Am I off here or is it really that much of an individual thing? It's a very individualistic thing. He's got to be ecto-meso or a lot younger than you. I do not think you should not increase carbs unless you want to lower fats and even a few proteins in their place. Your blood pressure and body fat levels will increase if you bump up the carbs too much. Should I raise carb intake? How much are you weighing these days and hows your blood pressure?

Also, I recently read that Tren when combined with high carb meals raises your body temperature, which may be part of the cause of night sweats, especially when carbs are consumed before bed. Since I heard that I think it might be a valid point. I know your not a big fan of carbs in evening meals. Could this be one more reason to stay with protein/fat meals for the last one or two meals of the day? Not really. It's actually protein and tren that causes your body to heat up. Carbs only heat your body up during a once a week carb up due to thyroid hormones gaining momentum given you are in a depleted state while dieting down. Cutting off carbs at night before going to bed encourages the body to release more Growth Hormone while you sleep. Your body releases less GH when any appreciable amount of carbs is eaten before bedtime. Cutting off carbs at night before going to bed encourages the body to release more Growth Hormone while you sleep-hence you lose more body fat. Research shows that GH released at night has an amazing effect on the mobilization of fats transferred into the energy cycle rather than being stored as fat. More human growth hormone is released in 5 short pulses from pituitary gland during deep stage rapid eye movement (REM) sleep when you allow the body’s blood sugar/insulin to drop prior to going to sleep. above

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks but I'm going to be running deca during my reload - not tren. Should I still wait for two weeks for the deload before I start running deca? My thinking is that since it will take a while for the deca to build up in the system, I could start sooner than I would if I was shooting tren ace.

Wait and use deca after 2 week deload. Keep in mind just because deca is slow acting does not mean it's not kicking in a few hours post injection. What occurs is an accumulative build up a few weeks into your cycle. Some have erectile dysfunction the day after their first shot of deca where as others don't have have issues until around week three. Some people make better gains on deca than tren. I believe if deca or NPP is used in short cycles 8 week reloads in the NPP it's a fairly safe compound but with long term use you are taking a chance at having heart problems. Test is the only anabolic I recommend for running year round.

[adamjames]

alright ron im back again currently 2 weeks in to my second cycle using your slingshot method for 22 weeks, i weighed myself at 190 and about 8 percent bf when i started this cycle, for the first 8 week reload im using Test E at 600 mg EW and Primo depot at 400 mg EW, for the second 8 week reload will be bumping test up to 900 mgs EW and primo up to 600 mgs EW?

At week 16 i was planning on switching to test propionate and dropping the dose to 60 mg eod for the last 6 weeks of the cycle so i can lose the water weight but keep the primo dose at 600 mgs?

I'll be going on a low carb diet at week 14 aswel the goal is to be below 5 percent bf and over 200 ibs by week 20

[Ronnie Rowland]

alright ron im back again currently 2 weeks in to my second cycle using your slingshot method for 22 weeks, i weighed myself at 190 and about 8 percent bf when i started this cycle, for the first 8 week reload im using Test E at 600 mg EW and Primo depot at 400 mg EW, for the second 8 week reload will be bumping test up to 900 mgs EW and primo up to 600 mgs EW?

At week 16 i was planning on switching to test propionate and dropping the dose to 60 mg eod for the last 6 weeks of the cycle so i can lose the water weight but keep the primo dose at 600 mgs?

I'll be going on a low carb diet at week 14 aswel the goal is to be below 5 percent bf and over 200 ibs by week 20 Your plan will work given your primo depot is of high quailty. It's rare to find legit primobolan these days! I would consider using a different compound to add in with the test-e and test-p unless what you have is pharm grade.

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