You'll want to read this!

[OnTheSauce]

Just means you are shutting down. Its normal

[Dadstrength]

Yea I researched the forum and that's the majority response. They are shutting down. I'm just curious how the HCG would help. Ronnie answers are always on point. And since I'm currently using his sts (beginning week 3 today) I thought this would be the right place for the question.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Yea I researched the forum and that's the majority response. They are shutting down. I'm just curious how the HCG would help. Ronnie answers are always on point. And since I'm currently using his sts (beginning week 3 today) I thought this would be the right place for the question.

HCG will help reduce the pain. Keep in mind since you are experiencing some pain while shutting down you may also have a similar pain during PCT. A good option is to take 2 ibuprofen twice a day until the pain stops and save HCG for PCT.

[OnTheSauce]

Ronnie I shot you a pm. I powerlift, not bodybuilding. So my training is a little different but as far as the stack and slingshot, I would love some input

[Dadstrength]

Hey Ronnie, I have one more question. I'm reading through these posts so I don't have to ask repeat questions. Maybe I missed this one but I see you recommend a light day and heavy day when training a body part twice a week. I'm assuming you mean light ( low volume - high reps) and heavy ( high volume low reps i.e. 8-10). My question is do you recommend this for your 8 week beginner routine as well? So I would do workout 1 on Monday and friday, for instance, with one light day then heavy the next? And do the same for workout 2?

[Dadstrength]

Hey Ronnie, I have one more question. I'm reading through these posts so I don't have to ask repeat questions. Maybe I missed this one but I see you recommend a light day and heavy day when training a body part twice a week. I'm assuming you mean light ( low volume - high reps) and heavy ( high volume low reps i.e. 8-10). My question is do you recommend this for your 8 week beginner routine as well? So I would do workout 1 on Monday and friday, for instance, with one light day then heavy the next? And do the same for workout 2?

Maybe you missed this one. Could you point me in the right direction Ronnie? Thanks man.

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron, I think you missed my HGH questions 5052 and 5053.

OH! And just got my Jins today too!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie, I have one more question. I'm reading through these posts so I don't have to ask repeat questions. Maybe I missed this one but I see you recommend a light day and heavy day when training a body part twice a week. I'm assuming you mean light ( low volume - high reps) and heavy ( high volume low reps i.e. 8-10). My question is do you recommend this for your 8 week beginner routine as well? So I would do workout 1 on Monday and friday, for instance, with one light day then heavy the next? And do the same for workout 2?

For beginners it's best to train heavy every workout. I prefer more reps on higher volume days and less reps on lower volume days. You can use the same workout r number two if you desire but it's best to change exercises when training a muscle twice a week to avoid over use injuries.

[Dadstrength]

For beginners it's best to train heavy every workout. I prefer more reps on higher volume days and less reps on lower volume days. You can use the same workout r number two if you desire but it's best to change exercises when training a muscle twice a week to avoid over use injuries.

Many thanks Ron.

[RaW InStiNcTz]

Very good post Ronnie really shed light on common issues that occur when one thinks that constant change in routine is a good thing but then wonder why gains are slow, Thank you

[Ronnie Rowland]

Very good post Ronnie really shed light on common issues that occur when one thinks that constant change in routine is a good thing but then wonder why gains are slow, Thank you

The muscle confusion myth was adopted as a way to increase the sales of bodybuilding magazines and books! Ronnie Coleman practically used the same routine year round and he was arguably the biggest bodybuilder to walk our planet.

[daniel20]

Ronnie.. Casein/healthy fats vs Whey/healthy fats before bed?..

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie.. Casein/healthy fats vs Whey/healthy fats before bed?..

Casein is best. A few people have issues digesting casein before going to bed-hence they get heartburn/acid reflux. Casein is more expensive but more anti-catabolic due to it's delayed time release. Whey will still work pretty well when comingled with fats.

[Dadstrength]

Thanks for the HCG/ Ibuprofen advice Ronnie. In the middle of wk 3. I'll post some before / after pics when finished with my 20 week blast.

[OnTheSauce]

No need for testicle pics bro. Ha

[Dadstrength]

Lol Patrick. Not what I meant... Funny tho.

[OnTheSauce]

Yeah I know. Sarcasm!

[OnTheSauce]

***Powerlifter with questions***


I have nationals in june, starting my blast Saturday.
700mg Tren a
600mast p
210 test e

Run this for exactly 8 weeks then drop all but the test for 2 weeks. Higher reps and Lower volume lifting during the 2 weeks, then:

then run this for 8 weeks
1000mg test ace
100mg dbol/day last 4 weeks

cruise on 200mg test for 2 weeks and do my prime diet with higher reps and light volume. then run the same Tren/mast/test stack for 8 weeks. Finish up with last day of blast being last meet of the year. Then cruise for a while on 200mg to let my body rest some.

Am I way off base on this? I have been doing a 8 week blasts then cruise for 4-8 weeks and blast again. But training always stays heavy and high volume. Stay in 3-5 rep range. So this will be a drastic change from what I've been doing

[Ronnie Rowland]

***Powerlifter with questions***


I have nationals in june, starting my blast Saturday.
700mg Tren a
600mast p
210 test e

Run this for exactly 8 weeks then drop all but the test for 2 weeks. Higher reps and Lower volume lifting during the 2 weeks, then:

then run this for 8 weeks
1000mg test ace
100mg dbol/day last 4 weeks

cruise on 200mg test for 2 weeks and do my prime diet with higher reps and light volume. then run the same Tren/mast/test stack for 8 weeks. Finish up with last day of blast being last meet of the year. Then cruise for a while on 200mg to let my body rest some.

Am I way off base on this? I have been doing a 8 week blasts then cruise for 4-8 weeks and blast again. But training always stays heavy and high volume. Stay in 3-5 rep range. So this will be a drastic change from what I've been doing

Looks okay but I would reduce tren to 300 weekly and use 1 gram of test. You need to time your competition so that it falls at week 8 during reload. Test/dbol is a good cycle to utilize during your meet. In addition, you will make more strength gains doing no more than lets say 6 work sets per week for body parts like the chest during reloads. High volume is best for bodybuilding not powerlifting!

[OnTheSauce]

Looks okay but I would reduce tren to 300 weekly and use 1 gram of test. You need to time your competition so that it falls at week 8 during reload. Test/dbol is a good cycle to utilize during your meet. In addition, you will make more strength gains doing no more than lets say 6 work sets per week for body parts like the chest during reloads. High volume is best for bodybuilding not powerlifting!

Comps will fall on week 8. I've already got everything for the high Tren first go around. Ill swap last one to high test. I have a lot of dbol and experience zero sides from it. I can run high doses no problems. If I did it for the 4 weeks to end the reload, what dose would u recommend. I've used it at 50 and 100mg a day

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ron...any supps...fight prostate cancer???????

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron...any supps...fight prostate cancer??????? Statins and Resveratrol are being used with some success against fighting prostate cancer. Research has shown to some degree that a diet high in animal fat appears to progress prostate cancer. They showed that arachidonic acid is converted to a hormone, 5-HETE, which appeared to help the spread of prostate cancer. It's often found in fatty meat, fatty dairy products, and the fat in egg yolks. Too much of this fatty acid (arachidonic acid) can eventually lead to an elevation in cholesterol, which can cause plaque to accumulate along the arterial walls. According to the Mayo Clinic, this may result in coronary artery disease and increase your risk of heart attack and stroke. And now it's linked to prostate cancer, so eat clean guys!

above

[OnTheSauce]

You prefer dbol or anadrol? I bloat more with anadrol but didn't experience sides. I did 50 of each for 3 weeks last year and that worked well.

[Ronnie Rowland]

You prefer dbol or anadrol? I bloat more with anadrol but didn't experience sides. I did 50 of each for 3 weeks last year and that worked well.

I think dbol is safer! As far as gains, some like dbol better and some like anadrol. Both made me huge and strong fast, but I felt horrible using both.

[Yellow]

Ron,

When using Masteron Prop, I find 200-300mg per week is the minimum dosage to get the benefits of it..
How about the Masteron Enanthate? Since it contains longer ester and has less active masteron.. What is the minimum dosage per week to feel the benefits of it? Maybe 300-400mg per week?

[Yellow]

Ron,
After having done several competitions (last year & this year), my cholesterol level is whacked out (high total cholesterol, low HDL, high LDL) due to being on test, tren, winny, masteron, proviron, femara, clen, ephedrine, etc. for so long time...
But my urine panels and blood panels are good (liver, kidney, hematocrite, etc.)

Therefore this time, I am planning on just maintaining my leanness, my musclemass & bodyweight using 500-600mg Testosterone per week as the base..
What do you think another safest compound (cholesterol wise) to accompany & magnify the test?
Option :
1. 50mg Proviron daily (350mg per week) + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.
2. (200-300mg Masteron Prop or 300-400mg Masteron Enanthate per week) + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.
3. 25mg Anavar per day + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.
4. 25mg Winny per day + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.

I don't wanna use another 19-Nor compound like deca, anadrol due to the bloat and wetness...

FYI, my diet is always clean (low carb, high protein, moderate amount of fats from flaxseed, fish oil, almonds, extra virgin olive oil).
I do 1-2 refeed days per week (600-800 grams of carbs per day)...

Many Thanks, Ron...

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron,
After having done several competitions (last year & this year), my cholesterol level is whacked out (high total cholesterol, low HDL, high LDL) due to being on test, tren, winny, masteron, proviron, femara, clen, ephedrine, etc. for so long time...
But my urine panels and blood panels are good (liver, kidney, hematocrite, etc.)

Therefore this time, I am planning on just maintaining my leanness, my musclemass & bodyweight using 500-600mg Testosterone per week as the base..
What do you think another safest compound (cholesterol wise) to accompany & magnify the test?
Option :
1. 50mg Proviron daily (350mg per week) + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.
2. (200-300mg Masteron Prop or 300-400mg Masteron Enanthate per week) + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.
3. 25mg Anavar per day + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.
4. 25mg Winny per day + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.

I don't wanna use another 19-Nor compound like deca, anadrol due to the bloat and wetness...

FYI, my diet is always clean (low carb, high protein, moderate amount of fats from flaxseed, fish oil, almonds, extra virgin olive oil).
I do 1-2 refeed days per week (600-800 grams of carbs per day)...

Many Thanks, Ron...

Go with test and mast unless you have prostate issues. You are making a wise move! The high cholesterol will eventually clog up your arteries.

[Yellow]

Go with test and proviron. You are making a wise move! The high cholesterol will eventually clog up your arteries.

Yeah Ron.. Right.. I do realize that High Cholesterol & LDL level isn't healthy at all and will eventually clog up my arteries...
However, I do take many cycle support supps (NAC, Milk Thistle, Hawthorn Berry, Celery Seed, Red Yeast Rice, Policosanol, Garlic, Saw Palmetto, Nettle Root) + 10 grams of Fish Oil + Several grams of Flaxseed + Some Good Fats from Almonds, Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Peanut Butter etc.. But they don't seem to help at all while on test, tren , winny, masteron , proviron , femara, clen , ephedrine, etc...

I do general bloodwork every 4-6 months...

I am gonna do as you said and go with Test + Proviron during this break to maintain my muscle & bodyweight..

BTW, What do you think about Masteron compared to Proviron regarding their effect on cholesterol & lipid panel?
They are basically the similar drugs and have similar effects on our body, right?
Since Masteron is injectable and Proviron is oral, Does Masteron have less impact on cholesterol & lipid panel than Proviron?

If you think that Masteron is better way to go, then I would go with Test + Masteron..

Many Thanks as always, Ron..

[Ronnie Rowland]

Yeah Ron.. Right.. I do realize that High Cholesterol & LDL level isn't healthy at all and will eventually clog up my arteries...
However, I do take many cycle support supps (NAC, Milk Thistle, Hawthorn Berry, Celery Seed, Red Yeast Rice, Policosanol, Garlic, Saw Palmetto, Nettle Root) + 10 grams of Fish Oil + Several grams of Flaxseed + Some Good Fats from Almonds, Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Peanut Butter etc.. But they don't seem to help at all while on test, tren , winny, masteron , proviron , femara, clen , ephedrine, etc...Add D3 and B3.

I do general bloodwork every 4-6 months...

I am gonna do as you said and go with Test + Proviron during this break to maintain my muscle & bodyweight..I should have told you test and mast, not test and proviron, since you have high cholesterol. Injectables are easier on lipids than orals!

BTW, What do you think about Masteron compared to Proviron regarding their effect on cholesterol & lipid panel? I think Masterone would have less impact on cholesterol levels since it's an injectable.
They are basically the similar drugs and have similar effects on our body, right? Masteron is more anabolic than proviron but it also tends to cause more prostate issues (for example, dribbling post urination from a swollen prostate!Since Masteron is injectable and Proviron is oral, Does Masteron have less impact on cholesterol & lipid panel than Proviron? Yes!

If you think that Masteron is better way to go, then I would go with Test + Masteron..Go with test and mast! IMO go with test and proviron if you have prostate issues.
Many Thanks as always, Ron..

"Proviron (oral 1-methyl-dihydrotestosterone) and Masteron (an injectable form of 2-methyl-dihydrotestosterne) are indeed structurally very similar. Both are DHT hormones with a minor modification (methylation) on each. This similarity, however, doesn’t carry over extremely closely when it comes to function. Both steroids are DHT derivatives, yes, and because of this there is no estrogen conversion possible with either drug. They lack a structural trait necessary for their conversion to estrogen. This characteristic may also allow both steroids to offer some level of anti-estrogenic activity, as the non-aromatizable steroid may compete with other aromatizable steroids (like your own endogenous testosterone) for binding to the aromatase enzyme. This should lower estrogen levels and heighten the ratio of relative androgenic to estrogenic activity in the body. As such, both steroids could be used to some extent for cutting or contest preparations. The main value in this regard is that both may help, instead of hinder, the visible retention of fat and subcutaneous water. With less water retained, muscle definition can increase provided body fat is low enough. But this is about where the functional similarities between the two agents end.

The main difference between Proviron and Masteron is their relative level of anabolic activity in skeletal muscle. Both steroids are capable of attaching to and activating the androgen receptor in muscle tissue. As such, both are theoretically capable of supporting muscle growth. But there is one major problem with Proviron. Like the base steroid dihydrotestosterone, Proviron has a high affinity for the 3-alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (3HSD) enzyme. Why is this important? It is important because 3HSD produces a weaker steroid by removing the highly important 3-keto group on the active steroid molecule. It this case it produces what are known as weak steroid “diols”. 3HSD is present in high amounts in muscle tissue, and represents a sort of blocking wall for the steroid to get through before it is able to find its corresponding receptor in the cytosol of the cell. Proviron and DHT will be actively looking for 3HSD if you will, and as a result very little will find the receptor before being converted to weakly active steroids. This is why people do not gain a lot of muscle mass while taking DHT or Proviron. The 1-methlation may result in improving the oral bioavailability of Proviron, hence the fact that it is an oral drug, but it doesn’t do much to protect it from 3HSD.

Masteron contains a 2-methylated derivative of DHT. Unlike the 1-methylation of Proviron, this alteration doesn’t effectively protect the steroid during oral dosing. This is why we only see Masteron as an injectable medication. However, shifting the methyl group from the 1 to the 2 position on the steroid backbone very effectively prevents conversion by 3HSD. As a result, the steroid is well equipped to enter the cell and break through the defensive line of 3HSD enzymes. It will reach the cytosolic androgen receptor in high concentrations, and because of this may impart a measurable tissue-building effect. So the bottom line is that while both may help improve the look of hardness to the muscles during contest preparations, only Masteron is actually going to offer a strong effect in muscle tissue itself. This means the potential for much more muscle size and strength gains during building phases of training, and at the very least a greater level of muscle preservation during cutting phases of training (the latter due to anabolic action in muscle helping to counter the catabolic effects of calorie restriction). These two drugs illustrate well the fact that categorizing the actions of steroids based on the three derivative bases (testosterone, nandrolone, and dihydrotestosterone) is not a highly accurate practice. So the next time someone tells you “This is a DHT derivative… so”, you can tell them “So what? I want to know what THIS steroid does, not DHT!”
– William Llewellyn, Author of Anabolics 9th Edition and Underground Anabolics
"

[Yellow]

Yeah Ron.. Right.. I do realize that High Cholesterol & LDL level isn't healthy at all and will eventually clog up my arteries...
However, I do take many cycle support supps (NAC, Milk Thistle, Hawthorn Berry, Celery Seed, Red Yeast Rice, Policosanol, Garlic, Saw Palmetto, Nettle Root) + 10 grams of Fish Oil + Several grams of Flaxseed + Some Good Fats from Almonds, Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Peanut Butter etc.. But they don't seem to help at all while on test, tren , winny, masteron , proviron , femara, clen , ephedrine, etc...Add D3 and B3.

I do general bloodwork every 4-6 months...

I am gonna do as you said and go with Test + Proviron during this break to maintain my muscle & bodyweight..I should have told you test and mast, not test and proviron, since you have high cholesterol. Injectables are easier on lipids than orals!

BTW, What do you think about Masteron compared to Proviron regarding their effect on cholesterol & lipid panel? I think Masterone would have less impact on cholesterol levels since it's an injectable.
They are basically the similar drugs and have similar effects on our body, right? Masteron is more anabolic than proviron but it also tends to cause more prostate issues (for example, dribbling post urination from a swollen prostate! Since Masteron is injectable and Proviron is oral, Does Masteron have less impact on cholesterol & lipid panel than Proviron? Yes!

If you think that Masteron is better way to go, then I would go with Test + Masteron..Go with test and mast! IMO go with test and proviron if you have prostate issues.
Many Thanks as always, Ron..

"Proviron (oral 1-methyl-dihydrotestosterone) and Masteron (an injectable form of 2-methyl-dihydrotestosterne) are indeed structurally very similar. Both are DHT hormones with a minor modification (methylation) on each. This similarity, however, doesn’t carry over extremely closely when it comes to function. Both steroids are DHT derivatives, yes, and because of this there is no estrogen conversion possible with either drug. They lack a structural trait necessary for their conversion to estrogen. This characteristic may also allow both steroids to offer some level of anti-estrogenic activity, as the non-aromatizable steroid may compete with other aromatizable steroids (like your own endogenous testosterone) for binding to the aromatase enzyme. This should lower estrogen levels and heighten the ratio of relative androgenic to estrogenic activity in the body. As such, both steroids could be used to some extent for cutting or contest preparations. The main value in this regard is that both may help, instead of hinder, the visible retention of fat and subcutaneous water. With less water retained, muscle definition can increase provided body fat is low enough. But this is about where the functional similarities between the two agents end.

The main difference between Proviron and Masteron is their relative level of anabolic activity in skeletal muscle. Both steroids are capable of attaching to and activating the androgen receptor in muscle tissue. As such, both are theoretically capable of supporting muscle growth. But there is one major problem with Proviron. Like the base steroid dihydrotestosterone, Proviron has a high affinity for the 3-alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (3HSD) enzyme. Why is this important? It is important because 3HSD produces a weaker steroid by removing the highly important 3-keto group on the active steroid molecule. It this case it produces what are known as weak steroid “diols”. 3HSD is present in high amounts in muscle tissue, and represents a sort of blocking wall for the steroid to get through before it is able to find its corresponding receptor in the cytosol of the cell. Proviron and DHT will be actively looking for 3HSD if you will, and as a result very little will find the receptor before being converted to weakly active steroids. This is why people do not gain a lot of muscle mass while taking DHT or Proviron. The 1-methlation may result in improving the oral bioavailability of Proviron, hence the fact that it is an oral drug, but it doesn’t do much to protect it from 3HSD.

Masteron contains a 2-methylated derivative of DHT. Unlike the 1-methylation of Proviron, this alteration doesn’t effectively protect the steroid during oral dosing. This is why we only see Masteron as an injectable medication. However, shifting the methyl group from the 1 to the 2 position on the steroid backbone very effectively prevents conversion by 3HSD. As a result, the steroid is well equipped to enter the cell and break through the defensive line of 3HSD enzymes. It will reach the cytosolic androgen receptor in high concentrations, and because of this may impart a measurable tissue-building effect. So the bottom line is that while both may help improve the look of hardness to the muscles during contest preparations, only Masteron is actually going to offer a strong effect in muscle tissue itself. This means the potential for much more muscle size and strength gains during building phases of training, and at the very least a greater level of muscle preservation during cutting phases of training (the latter due to anabolic action in muscle helping to counter the catabolic effects of calorie restriction). These two drugs illustrate well the fact that categorizing the actions of steroids based on the three derivative bases (testosterone, nandrolone, and dihydrotestosterone) is not a highly accurate practice. So the next time someone tells you “This is a DHT derivative… so”, you can tell them “So what? I want to know what THIS steroid does, not DHT!”
– William Llewellyn, Author of Anabolics 9th Edition and Underground Anabolics
"

Many thanks for the helpful advice & very detail explanation, Ron..

How much Vit D3 and B3 do I have to take? BTW I am already taking 1000IU D3 and 250mg B3 daily. Is it enough??

What do you think about low-dose trenbolone i.e 200mg per week accompanied with 500mg of testosterone just to maintain strength, musclemass & bodyweight..
Does it has significant impact on cholesterol & lipid panel?

I have been reading on an article about Low Dose Trenbolone for Hormone Replacement Theraphy (used with testosterone), what's your thought on it?

[mockery]

Hello ROn, odd question for you today.

How much test alone would i need to run on a 2nd reload off of the first 8 week reload of 700mg mast , 350mg tren and 350mg test a week? only can get test right now for the final 8 week reload and 2 week deload

thanks in advance mate!

[slimshady01]

Ron,

Was planning on taking 50mcg of t4 at night while on growth at. 3-4 iu a day. Would this seem ok?

Also just running 150mg of cyp a week and 100mg of var with the 4iu of growth for a cutting summer cycle. Wanted to give body a break from the higher test dosages I've been on. When var is gone ill stay at the 150 for another 6 weeks then look for something else.

[junglekatten]

got a question about cruise dosage.

1-20 50mg test p eod

First blast
1-8 150mg npp eod
1-8 30mg dbol ed

Second blast
1-8 200mg tren a eod
1-8 40mg dbol ed

is 50mg test p eod enough as base through out the 20 week cycle

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron,

Was planning on taking 50mcg of t4 at night while on growth at. 3-4 iu a day. Would this seem ok?

Also just running 150mg of cyp a week and 100mg of var with the 4iu of growth for a cutting summer cycle. Wanted to give body a break from the higher test dosages I've been on. When var is gone ill stay at the 150 for another 6 weeks then look for something else.

Your body produces around 75mcgs of t-4 daily so 50 would not be enough IMO. Go with 100 mgs of t4 daily at a bare minimum.

[Dougiefresh7707]

Awesome thread,a lot of info to try and take in at once saved it to my phone so I can re read as needed thanks for that though. My question is as you but it if I'm only looking to cycle periodically and I'm not trying to be a bodybuilder is it pointless sounds like in your opinion I will lose most gains after cycle I know I will cycle after cycle+pct= time off then cycle again, will I be able to remain big and make good gains still if I train and eat well on and off cycle?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Awesome thread,a lot of info to try and take in at once saved it to my phone so I can re read as needed thanks for that though. My question is as you but it if I'm only looking to cycle periodically and I'm not trying to be a bodybuilder is it pointless sounds like in your opinion I will lose most gains after cycle I know I will cycle after cycle+pct= time off then cycle again, will I be able to remain big and make good gains still if I train and eat well on and off cycle?

you won't lose all your gains when you come off cycle if you eat and train properly. You won't make gains off cycle and no one knows how much gains you will keep.

[slimshady01]

Sounds good! It's on the way ..


One more quickly if you got time.

Obviously want to save money but give me the best choice.. I train Mondays to Fridays

3iu 7 days a week
4iu 6 on Sunday off
5iu mon to Friday weekends off.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Sounds good! It's on the way ..


One more quickly if you got time.

Obviously want to save money but give me the best choice.. I train Mondays to Fridays

3iu 7 days a week
4iu 6 on Sunday off
5iu mon to Friday weekends off.

3ius 7 x wk

[Joocie]

hey Ronnie - ive been running sust for about 8 weeks now, and am about to up the dose and and deca to the mix how would you correctly stck these two together, ive been hitting 4 mil sust a week, was trhinking of doing 3mil twice a week of sust and 2 mil twice a week of deca ??? both are rated 250mg per mil
help me bro ?????

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey Ronnie - ive been running sust for about 8 weeks now, and am about to up the dose and and deca to the mix how would you correctly stck these two together, ive been hitting 4 mil sust a week, was trhinking of doing 3mil twice a week of sust and 2 mil twice a week of deca ??? both are rated 250mg per mil
help me bro ?????

Keep sust at 4 mgs weekly and add 1 1/2 cc I'd deca weekly