Masteron and Tren???

[havok561]

Hey guys, hey guys whatdya think about tren and masteron??? 1st cycle, I need to get more cut, has ever dont this stack?

[SPIKE]

Throw is some prop and you have one sick cycle. As long as diet is in tact of course...........

[QuieTSToRM33]

for ur first time ..... hit up some test

u wanna get cut and drop some fat .... diet and cardio are the ultimate keys to do this .... not AAS

[AnabolicAndre]

thats a bit harsh for your first cycle brotha

[longhorn814]

first cycle, just run test only. Diet and cardio cut you up, not gear. Tren has some harsh sides and isnt recommended for a first cycle and you need to already have pretty low bf to get results w/ masteron

[havok561]

so I shouldnt do either of them, is there any cycle for people with a slighty higher body fat?

[LAGMuXle]

I agree with most of the responses here - mainly the fact that it is your first cycle. My first cycle was Test Prop and EQ. Fina and Masteron both seperately have sides that affect everyone differently.

My best advice is to do a cycle of test, second cycle introduce a new compound to your body. Introducing three compounds your first cycle could result in a world of side effects and you will not know where they are coming from.

First cycle advice: Test only
Second cycle advice: Test and fina
Third cycle: Test, fina, and one other compound

You don't have to follow that exactly but it is the general idea I'm trying to give you.


Best of luck,


MuX

[havok561]

I do have a test, I have sustanon 250, I would assume that would be fine

[LAGMuXle]

I would reccomend 500mg sustanon every week. Twice a week injections.

If you can handle it... split your injections to EOD. This will keep your levels consistent.


MuX

[havok561]

how long do you think I should be on it

[LAGMuXle]

10 Weeks. Start your PCT last day - I wouldn't reccomend waiting on PCT - some people do with Sust due to their own personal preference.

Keep some Nolva on hand - do not combine Clomid and Nolva together in PCT.

MuX

[havok561]

well I have some Vitrx and 6-OXO

[longhorn814]

you need nolva and clomid for PCT

[havok561]

so I should return my vitrx and 6-OVO

[Booz]

due to the active life that sus holds which is 18 days pct imo should not be started till 18 days after the last shot!

[stocky121]

due to the active life that sus holds which is 18 days pct imo should not be started till 18 days after the last shot!

dam you booz 21 day's

[Booz]

dam you booz 21 day's

18-21 days then leanin towards the 18 days though!!

[stocky121]

18-21 days then leanin towards the 18 days though!!

i can live with that

but i'am right

[Booz]

i can live with that

but i'am right

[marcus300]

due to the active life that sus holds which is 18 days pct imo should not be started till 18 days after the last shot!

am with booz...18 days after last shot of sus start pct

[stocky121]

am with booz...18 days after last shot of sus start pct

ok a lot of people are and i'am had a decision with a few mod's and vet's on this board

but seen as though both sust and deca both have the same ester attached shoulden't both pct times start the same ?

why 21 day's for deca and 18 for sust ?

[marcus300]

ok a lot of people are and i'am had a decision with a few mod's and vet's on this board

but seen as though both sust and deca both have the same ester attached shoulden't both pct times start the same ?

why 21 day's for deca and 18 for sust ?

ive read a few different start times for all kinds of gear not only for sus, but twice after i had sus i went to a friend who is a doctor who helps BB'S out and he tested my blood, he told me that the androgens levels were low enough to start sending correct signals to my body and start pct 18 days after my last shot,
but come on we are only talking 3days here so does it really matter because even if the levels were still high at 18days you can start clomid at a higher dose which will help and work

[stocky121]

ive read a few different start times for all kinds of gear not only for sus, but twice after i had sus i went to a friend who is a doctor who helps BB'S out and he tested my blood, he told me that the androgens levels were low enough to start sending correct signals to my body and start pct 18 days after my last shot,
but come on we are only talking 3days here so does it really matter because even if the levels were still high at 18days you can start clomid at a higher dose which will help and work the process

i know i wasn't saying anyone is wrong at all and your right there's only 3 day's in it

all i was wondering is why the different start time's for sust and deca that's seen as though the ester is the same in theory so should the pct start time

[Swifto]

I'd start at 18 days, even though the ester determines 21 days (deconate). I'd rather have some sort of PCT aid in my system, than not have any for 3 days.

[stocky121]

I'd start at 18 days, even though the ester determines 21 days (deconate). I'd rather have some sort of PCT aid in my system, than not have any for 3 days.

in all seriousness well why don't people say to start a test e pct after 10 day's ?

[marcus300]

in all seriousness well why don't people say to start a test e pct after 10 day's ?

because test e is 14days after last shot and not 10!!
i do understand what you are saying and it does seem strange but like i have said before its only 3 days!!
in my experience when i was tested my levels were low enough at day 18 so thats when i start,

[stocky121]

because test e is 14days after last shot and not 10!!
i do understand what you are saying and it does seem strange but like i have said before its only 3 days!!
in my experience when i was tested my levels were low enough at day 18 so thats when i start,

look mate i never doubted that you got your blood done and you where ready to start pct

nor am i trying to be a dick about all this

i'am just trying to have a debate about why the diffrent pct start time when the ester's the same ?

[marcus300]

look mate i never doubted that you got your blood done and you where ready to start pct

nor am i trying to be a dick about all this

i'am just trying to have a debate about why the diffrent pct start time when the ester's the same ?

CALM DOWN!
listen i understand what your saying, it does sound strange all i can do is give my experience with sus and pct, maybe someone else can come up with this very important answer for you?

[stocky121]

CALM DOWN!
listen i understand what your saying, it does sound strange all i can do is give my experience with sus and pct, maybe someone else can come up with this very important answer for you?

i am calm mate and i appreicate the input

all good

[havok561]

So what do you guys think, for cuttin I will be doing trenabol and masteron, now does trenabol have a different profile name, I was trying to look for it under steroid profiles????

[Smedman101]

I belive this is what you want----Parabolan or Trenbolone HexaHydroBencylCarbonate

[fred9]

i love masteron + tren..75mg each ED..

[havok561]

what do you guys think, its for cutting????

[havok561]

anyone???

[QuieTSToRM33]

so I shouldnt do either of them, is there any cycle for people with a slighty higher body fat?

that right there tells me that you should be working on ur diet and cardio

Go over to the diet forum and read the "how to cut" sticky ... good info there

Next start doing some cardio in the AM on an empty stomach for 45 min at 65% HR

then when u get down to a reasonable bodyfat % .... then u can think about AAS

diet/cardio/training are the keys to fat loss ...... not the AAS

[havok561]

anyone else

[SPIKE]

anyone else

Look over the above post. Just b/c you're not getting the answers you want Havoc doesnt mean we arent trying to help.