cutting with eca cycle log

[lc1987]

well, some of you might know that i was going to take sd before. but i wanted to wait til i get older prob about 21-22 y/o. so i am currently cutting right now and it's my third day actually. i'm thinking of adding eca to my routine. i'm 5'7 165 14-15% bf. what is actually the ideal dosage for me? i know that some people take 2 times a day but some take it three times. i am thinking of running the first week at 25mg ephedrine, 200mg caffeine and 81mg aspirin. then second to fourth would be 50mg ephedrrine, 400mg caffeine then 162 mg aspirin. i have never taken eca before so give me some advice please.

also my diet would around 80-100 grams carbs, 250 grams protein, and about 45grams fat mostly coming from efa's. i know the carbs are kinda low but i do good on low carb diets mainly coming from morning and after workout. cardio is is usually done in the morn empty stomach 45min. each on a gazzelle. should i switch this up with jogging in the morn or gazzelle is enough? i will also take some hawthorn berries for blood pressure. i know it's probably uneccessary but i have right now and since that i react well with caffeine, i might as well take it. any thoughts?

[lc1987]

also i went to a bunch of gas station today and they said they didn't have ephedrine. they said it's an illinois law now. does anyone know about this? what's the name of the ephedrine that you guys buy?

[pelly789]

the dosage you should use is what you said

25mg ephedrine
200mg caffeine
81mg asprin

then you said to up the dose to 50mg eph. 400mg caff. and 162mg asprin, you wouldnt want to do that you would want to just take it more times per day. start out with the 25/200/81 once a day then the second and third week take it twice a day and the fourth take it 3x a day if your body can handle it after that take some time off from using it.

as for the cardio, as long as your hr is in the target range your good,

mhr=220-age

you want to be a little below that number

hawthorne berry is a powder extract or pill, not sure but it sounds like you think they are actual berries and as for the dose for that is 1200-2400mg ed, but it will take a couple weeks for you to notice the effects of it, as for the ephedrine, vaspro makes a good one and i ordered it online from bodybuilding.com

hope this helps good luck

[lc1987]

the dosage you should use is what you said

25mg ephedrine
200mg caffeine
81mg asprin

then you said to up the dose to 50mg eph. 400mg caff. and 162mg asprin, you wouldnt want to do that you would want to just take it more times per day. start out with the 25/200/81 once a day then the second and third week take it twice a day and the fourth take it 3x a day if your body can handle it after that take some time off from using it.

as for the cardio, as long as your hr is in the target range your good,

mhr=220-age

you want to be a little below that number

hawthorne berry is a powder extract or pill, not sure but it sounds like you think they are actual berries and as for the dose for that is 1200-2400mg ed, but it will take a couple weeks for you to notice the effects of it, as for the ephedrine, vaspro makes a good one and i ordered it online from bodybuilding.com

hope this helps good luck

yeah bro i got the hawthorn berry pills here's the link.

http://vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/br...jsp?id=VS-2104

and also i am only going to take it for 4 weeks then go off of it. also, what if i do some intense running sometimes. because i am in the navy and i can't just tell them that i can't run because i am taking ephedrine you know what i'm sayin? i mean when i run intensely i probably won't take eca right before that. prob 4-5 hours before i run. but yeah man i probaly won't take this more than 2 times a day. i don't wanna have some problems cuz i read that some people die just wanna make sure you know. also, should i take this only on cardio days or ed?

[caddilac]

yeah bro i got the hawthorn berry pills here's the link.

http://vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/br...jsp?id=VS-2104

and also i am only going to take it for 4 weeks then go off of it. also, what if i do some intense running sometimes. because i am in the navy and i can't just tell them that i can't run because i am taking ephedrine you know what i'm sayin? i mean when i run intensely i probably won't take eca right before that. prob 4-5 hours before i run. but yeah man i probaly won't take this more than 2 times a day. i don't wanna have some problems cuz i read that some people die just wanna make sure you know. also, should i take this only on cardio days or ed?

I used to be in the Army from 99-03. I frequently took ripped fuel, which used to contain ephedrine, before our runs and never had a problem. I would just be careful not to take a very large dose. It is when you abuse it and take a ton of ephedrine that you begin to have problems.

[pelly789]

you will be fine as long as you dont take it right before you run even on light cardio days imo i would take it at least 3 hours before cardio because it will raise your heart rate which increases your metabolism which is why it has great fat burning qualities and yea take it everyday for 4 weeks then cycle off for a while, i know what you mean about reading about people dying and stuff but alot of that is the media trying to make everything look bad, if you take it right you will be fine good luck with it later bro

[kman]

Be careful with the aspirin, too much for 2 long can be bad. I like Alcar as a replacement. Also don't do any extreme crazy navy type workout on eph. or your heart will explode..jk but be careful with that..

[goosed]

i can buy ephedrine and ephedra here in GA. the only thing with the ephedra is that it only comes in 10mg caps. but hell, all you gotta do is just take more!

[LadyJ]

Pelly - Would that be the same dose/ frequency for women too??

Thankyou (sorry to hijack thread )

[lc1987]

can i take it before weight lifting though?

[lc1987]

bump!!!

[pelly789]

yes you can just be careful if you dont know how you will feel after taking it, for example i wouldnt take it 10 minutes before doing heavy squats or dead lifts because you may pass out just be careful and listen to your body

[lc1987]

yes you can just be careful if you dont know how you will feel after taking it, for example i wouldnt take it 10 minutes before doing heavy squats or dead lifts because you may pass out just be careful and listen to your body

how about like 40 min before weight lifting? can i take it on an empty stomach or does it have to be with food? cuz i am planning on taking it right when i get off my bed then eat then 40 min after lift. should i eat first then take it?

[pelly789]

doesnt matter, like anything you will feel it more on an empty stomach, if you dont eat and take it i would make sure you drink alot of water, you will probably anyways because ephedrine makes your throat really dry

[GreenLantern12]

I'm pretty sure it's not just an Ill. law. I pretty sure it was banned in the states period. Although I heard rumors they were tring to bring it back, I really haven't been keeping an eye on it

I wouldn't be too afraid to do too much on ECA stacks. I would just stay away from sprint workouts and stuff like that, You'll know when your pushing your limits cuz your heart will start to race so when that happens, use some common sence and stop working out.

I'd be more worried about prlonged use and getting high blood pressure from it.

if you wait 4-5 hours after taking your stack to workout you'll already start crashing from it and your workout will suck. I know when I would take it in the morning by lunch time I'd have to take some more just to stay awake.

[lc1987]

well, i haven't received my ephedrine yet but i started cutting this week already.
right now i am 163 13-15% bodyfat. diet is in check and it as follows

7 am 1/2 oatmeal 1/2 skim milk
3 egg whites with 1-2 oz turkey bits

10 am whey protein shake cuz i'm at school this time
three TEASPOONS creamy peanut butter

1 pm ususally post workout meal 1/2 cup white rice
3 oz chicken breast 3 egg whites with 1-2 oz turkey bits
whey ptoein shake

4 pm 3 egg whites 1-2 oz turkey bits
whey protein

7pm 3 egg whites 1-2 oz turkey bits
flax oil
some peanut butter

10pm 1 tuna can in water
flax oil
peanut butter

meal is the same everyday.

im still trying to lift as heavy as i can so my muscles wouldn't shrink as much i guess. but i always lift heavy because that's the advice that i got from most people.

here are some pics. this is current as of today. note i've only been lifting for about 4 months and this is pretty much the first time i bulk. here it is don't make fun of me now lol

[UGADawg]

What about swimming? Being in the Navy dont you have to do a lot of swimming? I'm not trying to steal the thread here, but I swim 2 miles a day, run a mile and a half, bleachers for 45 min, and a smaller weight lift. Is the ECA Stack a good idea for me; or Ic1987 for that matter?

[lc1987]

well i'm taking eca because i wanna get ripped fast hopefully by june.

[kman]

What about swimming? Being in the Navy dont you have to do a lot of swimming? I'm not trying to steal the thread here, but I swim 2 miles a day, run a mile and a half, bleachers for 45 min, and a smaller weight lift. Is the ECA Stack a good idea for me; or Ic1987 for that matter?

I strongly think you should NOT take an eca stack while doing any of these activities. Light cardio in the gym, O.K, but with heat and high intense training like bleachers, your asking for trouble. PLEASE DON'T

[lc1987]

took eca stack this morning. gave me the jitters again this time unlike yesterday but no runny nose this time though. i took it at around 10 pm so after 6 hours or so, i will run because i need to improve my mile and a half for the navy. is it ok to run after 6 hours of taking eca? i heard the half life of eca is around 5-6 hours.

[Psychotron]

I have completly left out aspirin or yohimbine in the stack, just caffeine and ephedrine. been using this stack for like 5 years. the aspirin/yohimbine never helped me in anyway.

[lc1987]

got my ephedrine today and i took it today. damn it gave me the jitters. i took 25/200/81. i was shakin at work and then i had a runny nose. it was funny cuz my snot was like watery and it keeps dripping. gross. but after about 5 hours it was gone. but diet is still in check and everything is going right!!! will post some pics again next week.

[lc1987]

second day of eca stack. i took it about 3 hours ago and so far, no jitters or runny nose like yesterday. i will lift weights in about half an hour so i will weigh myself there. will be back later.

[lc1987]

just got back from the gym. ate my pwo meal which consist of about 1/2 cup white rice 3 oz chic breast 4 egg whites and some turkey bits. also a scoop of whey. i notice that my endurance decrease ever since i started cutting as well as some strength. but it's all good it's gonna pay off. but i didn't get the jitters today thought and it's been 6 hours since i took eca stack. i guess that's a good thing.....

[brutesinme]

just curious...why are you cutting? a good clean bulk would lower body fat % by increasing LBM, and from your pic you are certainly not carrying excessive weight.

[brutesinme]

when using ec i cut out aspirin and use tyrosine. It's a mild stimulant that's supposed to enhance the effects of ec. It also improves cognitave function under stress, may help with school. I take 1g with every ec dose.

[lc1987]

i am cutting because i want my bf to be lower. if i could go down to at least 9-10% during eca stack, i would clean bulk. i just wanna see the abs for now. that is my current plan. i would look into the suplement that you suggested bro.

[lc1987]

what is ephedra crash? i heard some people crash after like 5 hours after taking eca. i didn't feel anything after 5 hours of taking eca except yesterday the jitters were gone after 5 hours.

[Haro3]

i am cutting because i want my bf to be lower. if i could go down to at least 9-10% during eca stack, i would clean bulk. i just wanna see the abs for now. that is my current plan. i would look into the suplement that you suggested bro.

low bf doesnt mean ur going to have the physique you want man. You gotta have the base underneath. Your bf is not high, if you lifted hard and did a lean bulk you would be significantly happier with your appearance because you would start to establish a muscular base. JMO but u definatley dont need to cut. And also becareful taking the eca before a workout i know if i take my ecy before a heavy workout i just wanna pass out or puke and totally kills my workout. good luck

[lc1987]

i take it at least one and a half to two houre b4 weight lifting.

[lc1987]

can i just add tyrosine. so it's gonna be e/c/a/t stack? just curious.

[lc1987]

i don't know why but i feel like crap right now. i feel so tired and everything. i was fine this morning though.is this the eca crash everyone's talking about.

[Danny_Dice]

Your symptoms are normal when starting ECA stack...it is a potent thermogenic that will increase heart rate and body temp. Insominia and having the jitters is common, after a 2 weeks they will subside. Thsi si the regime i went on and lost 40 pounds in 6 weeks:

25mg ephedrine, 200mg caffeine and 81mg aspirin twice a day for 2 weeks

25mg ephedrine, 200mg caffeine and 81mg aspirin three times a day for 2 weeks

25mg ephedrine, 200mg caffeine and 81mg aspirin four times a day for last 2 weeks


Then i took a month off and gained back slightly, but will go back on it. Try not to take more then 100 mg of ephedrine per day and stick to cardio . Dose your first when u wake up and then before you work out, like an hour before. then int he evening before you eat your dinner, like an hour before.

[Danny_Dice]

regime = regiment

[Danny_Dice]

how are u doing on the tyrosine instead of aspirin? I might do the same if i hear some others are having better results?

[lc1987]

i actually didn't use tyrosine. i'm just gonna leave eca as it is. i'm going up my eca after 5 days to 2x a day. then 5 days after it's gonna be 3x a day if my body could take it.

[lc1987]

4th day of eca and i seem to be doing fine. i haven't been doing cardio lately due to extremely busy schedule. but i feel better and i think i look better. i am also doing a low carb diet along with this. about 60-80 grams a day. should i up eca stack tommorrow since that i am adapting well to this supp.? i am thinking of doing it because yesterday it didn't give me the extreme jitters that i got from the first day and right now so far i am doing good no jitters or anything weird.

[lc1987]

well, here is my diet. i dunno if i posted it earlei but here it is again. this is what i pretty much eat everyday.

7 pm 1/2 cup oats
1/2 cup skim milk

10 pm 1 scoop whey
2 teaspoons (note smaller version os tablespoon) peanut butter

1pm (usually PWO) 3 oz chic breast
4 egg whites with 1 oz turkey bits
1 scoop whey
1/2 cup rice

4 pm 1 scoop whey
5 grams flax oil
4 egg whites with 1 oz turkey bits

7 pm 3 oz chic breast
4 egg whites with 1 oz turkey bits
2 teaspoons peanut butter

10 pm i can tuna or sometimes 1 scoop whey
2 teaspoons peanut butter
5 grams flax oil.

i didn't get the macros though. i know it's a little low on carbs but it's all good. i think i get about 230-250 protein 50g fat 60-80g carbs. what do you guys think?

[lc1987]

happy easter everyone. tommorrow i will post new pics. and i will take eca 2x tommorrow. i will do this for about 5 days then take eca 3x a day if my body could take it. i am desparate to get ripped by the middle of may. also in the next couple of weeks i won't be busy at all so i could finally add cardio to my routine cause i couldn't do cardio last week at all. i am very disappointed because of that. but despite not doing cardio, i think i am leaner by just taking eca. later guys.

[sonar1234]

Cut out dairy products you will see a good difference in your definition.