if i have adverse reactions to deca and npp, do you guys think that its safe for me to assume i would have the same or worse ones from tren? id run tren a just in case i did have such reactions but what do you guys think?
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if i have adverse reactions to deca and npp, do you guys think that its safe for me to assume i would have the same or worse ones from tren? id run tren a just in case i did have such reactions but what do you guys think?
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Tren like deca are very similar ( in aspects that they both have a molecule altered at the 19th position). Almost everyone I know that has bad sides with deca ( progest or prolactin related) has bad sides from tren..
Merc.
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well my sides from deca and npp are severe lethargy and fevers. I get flu symptoms pretty much. so you think that's gonna happen with tren also?
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i think its pretty safe to assume so
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Have you ever used caber or bromo while using deca to see if it helped??Originally Posted by mickdiesel
Keep in mind that
steroids can lower t-3 and inturn raise prolaction/progest and can cause you to feel tired and can kill your sex drive...
As for the test flu is not caused by the flu virus. but rather by A rapid spike in testosterone levels especially in the case of using high doses of short estered compounds. They cause the body to treat all of this testosterone, ( or really whatever your using tren ,deca ) in the blood steam as a foreign body. Hence the flu like symptoms. And that in short is why it happen....
So did you ever try caber ????
Merc
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no I've never used caber or bromo. I'm afraid of the side effects they have on ur heart. I've heard they can cause all kinds of weird things with ur heart. also would caber do anything to prevent that kind of side effect? thanks
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You can't make an omelette without breaking an egg right.
Heart issues are over long periods of time at high dose, but the study showing heart valve issues should still be a red flag and concideration for anyone using caber.
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You have Seen some studies on the heart valve i suppose .....
Yes caber works for alot of people that use 19 nor's !! Thats why I said it..
Merc.
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You beat me to it kratos... LOL
Merc.
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is bromo the same regarding side effects as caber? and if my heart were in danger from a compound I'd just as soon not use it. theres plenty more stuff out there to use. ur heart doesn't bounce back like ur liver or kidney can. and if bromo isn't as bad as caber do I need to load it like letro before the cycle? thanks
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and I didn't mean to sound as if I was doubting whether or not caber works for 19 nor sides. I was just wondering if it worked for lethargy. I know it works well for prolactin gyno, just wondering about the whole lethargy and fever thing. thanks
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Dopamine Agonists and Heart Valve Changes
Two studies find increased risks associated with use of pergolide and cabergoline.
Two new studies report increased frequencies of heart valve changes in patients taking pergolide or cabergoline, dopamine agonists used in the treatment of Parkinson disease (PD). A companion piece explains the likely mechanism.
Schade and colleagues performed a case-control analysis of information from a database of 11,417 patients with significant exposure to antiparkinsonian drugs during a 17-year interval. They identified 81 cases of newly recognized valvular regurgitation, of which 31 lacked another etiology. The 663 controls (antiparkinsonian-drug users without valve abnormalities) were matched for age, sex, and duration of treatment. Treatment with pergolide for more than 6 months increased the relative risk for valvular heart disease by a factor of 7.1, cabergoline by 4.9; patients with doses above 3 mg/day had substantially greater risks. There were no cases attributed to bromocriptine or lisuride, two other ergot-derived dopamine agonists. There were no cases in patients on ropinirole or pramipexole, two newer dopamine agonists with a different molecular skeleton.
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I already explained both above...
Please go back and read my post ..
Merc.
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no bromo has been around for like thirty years and is always compared to caber in the studies that i have seen, showing that bromo has no heart valve damaging properties.
Your right it aint worth using caber, IMO. Liver can bounce back yes. Kidneys no. Heart no.
Kidneys just dont show signs of problems till significant damage is done. But ones the kidneys are damaged, they are damged. They cant heal at all from what i understand. Nephrons cannot unclogg. Speaking of kidneys, tren makes some ppl pee blood. I would use tren maybe once in my life, once, and thats it.JMO
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i always use bromo for deca and tren related sides..................
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so it sounds like bromo it is. thanks for all the input guys. and I didn't know that kidneys couldn't heal. don't think ill be usin tren either then. maybe ill just give npp a whirl again. now I just gotta find a reliable source for bromo. that's a whole nother show though I guess
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