Newb Question bout Tren n Winny

[JuiZZe MonKey]

Hello,

I am new to all of this and after doing some research (along with searching on this site) and evaluating what I really want to get out of "performance enhancing products" I have gotten some Tren Depot and 50mg Winsztrol tabs. I am not looking to get huge or anything like that, just to get rid of some unwanted fat and to get an athletic type build. From what I have been reading, using these 2 products will help me acheive my goal, along with proper diet and fitness training of course.

So now I am asking you guys, the people who have experience with stuff, are Tren and winny tabs gonna do the job, should i be using other substances, how much of this stuff should i be taking if i were to only stick with tren and winny tabs? any advice and direction will help. THANXXX

[NATE0406]

What Are Your Stats And Macros also cycle exp?

[longhorn814]

Im assuming this is your first cycle..I highly suggest you do some more research..if youre gonna run tren you better get some test in there for a lot of reasons..what you planning for PCT?

[prima07]

yea, u need to run 300-500 a week of test. keep reading tho

[JuiZZe MonKey]

Is there a certain type of test I should be using?

[mx3]

first cycle with tren and winny. the side effects and frequent injections are gonna overwhelm you. and test needs to be the base for any cycle running at least an hrt dose.

[Schmidty]

Is there a certain type of test I should be using?

If ur a freshy u wana go wit test enenthate or test cyponate at 400-500mg ew4 10-12wks. Hold of on the tren4a lil bit. U can use the winny at the front of the cycle or u could use it at the end or not at alll. Id say use it at the end to cut up the last4weeks.

[CheddaNips]

Yep. Long estered test bro. and the first time tou use tren, use tren A not E

[JuiZZe MonKey]

ok...now i have test, tren and winny...how much do u guys suggest i inject myeself with, how many times a week etc...

i am like 6"3 220lb on the skinny side with a little gut haha if that helps

[admirals56]

do u workout

[JuiZZe MonKey]

yes..daily..with low sodium diet

[admirals56]

leave the tren out for next cycle and use test with winny and your on your way

[JuiZZe MonKey]

how much test shoul i be injecting a week...and should i be taking one 50mg tab a day? and wat is the purpose of leaving out the tren

[admirals56]

because the sides with tren are very strong and people are making sure you can adapt to test first then going with tren as its one of the strongest compounds out. what kind of test are you using and yes winny 50mgs a day

[JuiZZe MonKey]

test e

[admirals56]

so use 500mgs ew injected 2/wk

[JuiZZe MonKey]

so that means 2 250mg in 2 injections?

[admirals56]

yess

[JuiZZe MonKey]

people have been telling me to start off with no more that like 200 - 300 mgs a week... will that be an innaffective waste?

also when would i actually start to see results?

[NSXTC]

2-300 mg/wk is fine but you wont see 'great' results. 500mg/wk is better and you shouldn't have bad side effects. More than 500 and you could begin to experience bloat/gyno/BP/etc issues. You should always have an AI handy to combat these sides. Tren is extremely effective but also can lead to problems very quickly if you dont have your ducks in a row. Just run the test and winny this time around and get a feel for how your body reacts. DO NOT **** UP YOUR PCT. All the muscle building test/winny and tren in the world wont help you after your cycle when you test levels fall to zero. You have to get your natural levels back up as quickly as possible.

This is what I would do with test e and winny (someone wont like this I am sure, but it's simple and will produce solid gains):

Test E - 500mg/wk (250mg 2x per week) weeks 1-10
Winny - 50mg/day weeks 7-11
Food - Eat like a mad man (goto diet forum and read)

Have an AI (arimidex/letro) handy in case of estrogen related side effects.
10 days after your last pill on week 11 start PCT (search this on the forum)

Good luck!

[JuiZZe MonKey]

thanx for all the info...really helpful

[legobricks]

Test only for a first cycle is a great beginner cycle. Gains are pretty good, but if one does not know a true bulking diet then they will fail miserably and think there gear is probably fake OR thinks AAS does nothing for them (aka, non-responder). This can be fixed most of the time with a proper bulking diet to achieve the gains needed. Winny towards the end will add a nice touch, but if your bodyfat% is too high then you wont reap the benefits from it at all.

[JuiZZe MonKey]

i was just in the diet section of the site and it is just getting me confused, none of the diets people are talking about mention that they are juicing, so idk if any of those diets would apply to me. If someone is willing to help me out and lead me in the right direction with what i should be eating that would be great.

[NSXTC]

i was just in the diet section of the site and it is just getting me confused, none of the diets people are talking about mention that they are juicing, so idk if any of those diets would apply to me. If someone is willing to help me out and lead me in the right direction with what i should be eating that would be great.

Juice or not, makes no difference, just eat the right foods 6 times a day.
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