GETTING BELLY AND FAT!!!help me!!!

[XORRON]

Hi so iwe been trying to eat 4-6 times a day as it been recomended
to grow muscle, right now i am on the second week of cypionate 400 ml weekly and 40mgs daily anavar . anavar i have done over 3 weeks now and it feels like its running out of boost for some reason and cyp. is of course not saying anything yet...for the last 7 months i have been eating a lot for training but now i been starting to get an belly and fat on my sides
i am an ectomorf so i have newer had any fat before (37 years) ok at this age metabolism is slowing down..but..for gaining muscle and not getting fat how shoul i modifide my eating and cardio i am eating a lot of chicken and rise and fish etc.. should i cut down on my carb in take or should i eat 1 meal less...i dont get any mutch of calorie burn out side of the gym (driving scooter all the time and i am not working just eating and training)
my normal daily diet is something like ;muesli and yougurth 2 boiled egs orange juice and protein drink, chicken with rise ,nuudels with tuna fish, mash potatos and steak, nuudels and tuna , muesli and yougurth.
also few protein drinks and some salad...some time i eat a bit less than that
cardio on my off days 20-25 min running..+abs

[jackdup04]

stats?? cycle experience?? Sounds like sum more cardio a good diet and patience is all u need... eat often but keep daily caloric intake down...

[STEROIDMD]

How about some cardio dude?

[HolyBlade]

being "ON" dosn't mean you dont do cardio anymore ,even when i'm in the off-season i do cardio 3 times a week at least ,and while i'm dieting i do it almost every day.when takeing in so much food ,even while being on cycle you need cardio to monitor your bodyfat.

[XORRON]

THANKS for replays but many times people are not reading the treads before
they anser, so if u woud had read it u woud had seen that i do cardio ewery
of day meaning ewry second day 1day gym next day cardio...thanks anyway

[ChuckLee]

Hi so iwe been trying to eat 4-6 times a day as it been recomended
to grow muscle, right now i am on the second week of cypionate 400 ml weekly and 40mgs daily anavar . anavar i have done over 3 weeks now and it feels like its running out of boost for some reason and cyp. is of course not saying anything yet...for the last 7 months i have been eating a lot for training but now i been starting to get an belly and fat on my sides
i am an ectomorf so i have newer had any fat before (37 years) ok at this age metabolism is slowing down..but..for gaining muscle and not getting fat how shoul i modifide my eating and cardio i am eating a lot of chicken and rise and fish etc.. should i cut down on my carb in take or should i eat 1 meal less...i dont get any mutch of calorie burn out side of the gym (driving scooter all the time and i am not working just eating and training)
my normal daily diet is something like ;muesli and yougurth 2 boiled egs orange juice and protein drink, chicken with rise ,nuudels with tuna fish, mash potatos and steak, nuudels and tuna , muesli and yougurth.
also few protein drinks and some salad...some time i eat a bit less than that
cardio on my off days 20-25 min running..+abs

You have to completely review and replan your lifestyle. Write down your diet in the proper forum so you can have it adjusted by the members who'll help you.
20-25 mins of cardio in the off days aren't enough if you wanna cut.

CL

[magic32]

I fully agree w/the fellas about cardio. You're not doing enough, that 20-25mins should be after and/or before lifting, and more should be applied to off/cardio days.

But even more importantly, because cardio is merely supplemental, is your diet. The food content looks good though I don't know how or why you'd drink a few (meaning more than two) protein drinks a day, unless I misunderstood. However, the problem is doubtless your overall caloric intake as mentioned by JackedUp and HolyBlade. The only reason for gaining fat is unused and/or eliminated calories.

Quite simply:
REDUCE YOUR OVERALL CALORIES; THEY ARE TOO HIGH IF YOU'RE GAINING FAT!

[Michael Scott]

cardio won't help him lose any of that fat or belly if he's trying to gain muscle, but it will help prevent him from gaining more fat.

Threadstarter, how many calories are you eating on a normal day ?

[perfectbeast2001]

Hi so iwe been trying to eat 4-6 times a day as it been recomended
to grow muscle, right now i am on the second week of cypionate 400 ml weekly and 40mgs daily anavar . anavar i have done over 3 weeks now and it feels like its running out of boost for some reason and cyp. is of course not saying anything yet...for the last 7 months i have been eating a lot for training but now i been starting to get an belly and fat on my sides
i am an ectomorf so i have newer had any fat before (37 years) ok at this age metabolism is slowing down..but..for gaining muscle and not getting fat how shoul i modifide my eating and cardio i am eating a lot of chicken and rise and fish etc.. should i cut down on my carb in take or should i eat 1 meal less...i dont get any mutch of calorie burn out side of the gym (driving scooter all the time and i am not working just eating and training)
my normal daily diet is something like ;muesli and yougurth 2 boiled egs orange juice and protein drink, chicken with rise ,nuudels with tuna fish, mash potatos and steak, nuudels and tuna , muesli and yougurth.
also few protein drinks and some salad...some time i eat a bit less than that
cardio on my off days 20-25 min running..+abs

You are putting on fat due to your poor diet. Go and read some diet advice in the diet forums and also check my thread diet help from beast. Eating loads of muesli, high gi carb sources and yoghurts with whey protein is not going to build muscle only develop fat unless you have ronnie colemans genetics. Hit me up if you need diet help.

[perfectbeast2001]

I fully agree w/the fellas about cardio. You're not doing enough, that 20-25mins should be after and/or before lifting, and more should be applied to off/cardio days.

But even more importantly, because cardio is merely supplemental, is your diet. The food content looks good though I don't know how or why you'd drink a few (meaning more than two) protein drinks a day, unless I misunderstood. However, the problem is doubtless your overall caloric intake as mentioned by JackedUp and HolyBlade. The only reason for gaining fat is unused and/or eliminated calories.

Quite simply:
REDUCE YOUR OVERALL CALORIES; THEY ARE TOO HIGH IF YOU'RE GAINING FAT!

I would slightly disagree. He may be able to stick with similar/same cals per day but simply change the ingredients and the nutrient timing to get leaner results. If i ate 3600 cals of oats a day i would get fat as hell. But split that 3600 into pro low glycemic carbs and EFAs and i build muscle and stay lean. One reason for this may be the thermogenic effect of protein which his diet seems to be lacking other than whey shakes. Calorie deficit is only part of the fat loss equation.
And yes he def needs to sort cardio. 30 mins every day at 130 HR before breakfast or after lifting would be ideal to start with.

[magic32]

I would slightly disagree. He may be able to stick with similar/same cals per day but simply change the ingredients and the nutrient timing to get leaner results. If i ate 3600 cals of oats a day i would get fat as hell. But split that 3600 into pro low glycemic carbs and EFAs and i build muscle and stay lean. One reason for this may be the thermogenic effect of protein which his diet seems to be lacking other than whey shakes. Calorie deficit is only part of the fat loss equation.
And yes he def needs to sort cardio. 30 mins every day at 130 HR before breakfast or after lifting would be ideal to start with.

Interesting perspective.
Although I concur with partioning foods into various groups, I hold fast to the philosophy that it is still a priniciple matter of rudimentary math regardless of composition. All other things constant, e.g. barring metabolic slow down or increase (chemically, cardiovascularly, severe injury/sickness, etc.) this ideology still applies to all foods even if your total intake came from fruits and veggies, though it'd be hard to consume so many.

Too many cals = fat storage & accumulation
Too little cals = fat/muscle loss (depending on the differential)
Exact # of cals = maintenance

With regard to your consumption example of oats vs. low glys and EFAs, the very same principles apply. You'd get no FATTER on either one, of course aesthetically speaking, you'd be far more bloated with the former and far leaner with the latter...but the actual net body fat change would be zero.

[AandF6969]

Hi so iwe been trying to eat 4-6 times a day as it been recomended
to grow muscle, right now i am on the second week of cypionate 400 ml weekly and 40mgs daily anavar . anavar i have done over 3 weeks now and it feels like its running out of boost for some reason and cyp. is of course not saying anything yet...for the last 7 months i have been eating a lot for training but now i been starting to get an belly and fat on my sides
i am an ectomorf so i have newer had any fat before (37 years) ok at this age metabolism is slowing down..but..for gaining muscle and not getting fat how shoul i modifide my eating and cardio i am eating a lot of chicken and rise and fish etc.. should i cut down on my carb in take or should i eat 1 meal less...i dont get any mutch of calorie burn out side of the gym (driving scooter all the time and i am not working just eating and training)
my normal daily diet is something like ;muesli and yougurth 2 boiled egs orange juice and protein drink, chicken with rise ,nuudels with tuna fish, mash potatos and steak, nuudels and tuna , muesli and yougurth.
also few protein drinks and some salad...some time i eat a bit less than that
cardio on my off days 20-25 min running..+abs

WTF dude, learn how to spell... that diet isn't very good either.

[Tesla]

Liposuction

[peachfuzz]

could very well just be bloat being he is on cyp. anyway normally i would agree with magics POV as i have always kept it simple with calories in VS calories out. however, the more i think about it the more valid beast's point becomes.


- 3600 total calories per day taken in... for argument we will say in one sitting (a snack for me) is going to contribute to a much greater accumulation of body fat as well as a far less anabolic environment then someone whos day consited of the exact same things but timed the calories properly throughout the day. also remember calories are not just calories as others so often say. calories from carbs are different from fat cals and so on.

whatever its sunday morning and i feel like poop i dont even know what i just typed.

[fatherof6]

i need to get my body fat checked and right. i am getting a tiny little ring around my waist and its killing me not knowing and those wal mart things suck.

[AandF6969]

could very well just be bloat being he is on cyp. anyway normally i would agree with magics POV as i have always kept it simple with calories in VS calories out.

I wish it were that simple... if macronutrient breakdown and timing wasn't an issue, you could eat a 40/40/20 split of 3,000 cal/day or you could eat 3,000 cal/day of pure lard and it wouldn't make a difference.

[magic32]

Liposuction

Even more applicable for the bb'er, and far more specific, is abdominal etching:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119431190803983349.html

[peachfuzz]

again calories are not just calories. and what is wrong with pure lard?

[AandF6969]

again calories are not just calories. and what is wrong with pure lard?

lol just use it as an example when someone is like "NO... CALORIES IN/CALORIES OUT, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!" ...oh really?

[mx3]

are you bulking or cutting, I might have missed it but I didn't hear you say which. if your bulking your going to gain fat so you shouldn't be worried about gaining fat it comes with the process. If your cutting then you need to reavaluate your whole program. but dont try to cut fat and gain muscle it will work against you and you wont accomplish much, so one or the other. gain muscle=calorie surplus lose fat=calorie deficit

[magic32]

lol just use it as an example when someone is like "NO... CALORIES IN/CALORIES OUT, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!" ...oh really?

I said various categories do matter, that's how we get trigger exchanges for proper metabolism. Pure lard obviously goes against this, has little nutritional value, and would actually be a VERY good dietary aid as its extreme diarrheal consequences would make processing and absorption impossible. Please don't make examples that you aren't ready to defend or have taken serious.

However, as helpful as combinations of foods are, underlying truth still exists. If you consume too many calories of a VIABLE energy source, they will be used, eliminated and stored as both ready fuel (glycogen in the liver) and reserve fuel (bf). If too little is consume, w/o extraneous circumstances, stored fuel will be tapped, and if the perfect balance for expenditure is consumed the status quo is maintained.

Good points MX3, I should note this is a non-cycle philosophy. AAS and lifting change the playing field, by severely manipulating the internal environment in the favor of muscle building. But it should be noted that they also support fat loss even while gaining, some gear more than others. However, I agree with you one should choose and operate from a goal-oriented perspective.

[perfectbeast2001]

Interesting perspective.
Although I concur with partioning foods into various groups, I hold fast to the philosophy that it is still a priniciple matter of rudimentary math regardless of composition. All other things constant, e.g. barring metabolic slow down or increase (chemically, cardiovascularly, severe injury/sickness, etc.) this ideology still applies to all foods even if your total intake came from fruits and veggies, though it'd be hard to consume so many.

Too many cals = fat storage & accumulation
Too little cals = fat/muscle loss (depending on the differential)
Exact # of cals = maintenance

With regard to your consumption example of oats vs. low glys and EFAs, the very same principles apply. You'd get no FATTER on either one, of course aesthetically speaking, you'd be far more bloated with the former and far leaner with the latter...but the actual net body fat change would be zero.

Well the only reason i disagree is that i have run maintenance cals (or just over in fact) and tried many variation in macros, Based on my own results I concluded that i could keep cals the same but my results as far as fat loss went varied greatly depending on food choices and nutrient timing. For example there will be a difference in fat gain if you consumed 80g of dex PWO compared to consuming 80g of dex at bedtime. The latter would lead to greater fat storage (certainly does with me)

[magic32]

Well the only reason i disagree is that i have run maintenance cals (or just over in fact) and tried many variation in macros, Based on my own results I concluded that i could keep cals the same but my results as far as fat loss went varied greatly depending on food choices and nutrient timing. For example there will be a difference in fat gain if you consumed 80g of dex PWO compared to consuming 80g of dex at bedtime. The latter would lead to greater fat storage (certainly does with me)

I certainly agree that dietary components vary. Say for example you ate only 3k gms of cheese cake daily for a week, and ate the same cals the following week in baked chix. The propensity to store fat, based on the amt of saturated fat in cheese cake will give you more storage in said case, primarily because sat fat lingers in the body for such a long time. However, even though cheese cake is highly caloric, it is also quite dense making those calories empty/hollow.

The cusp of my argument is that when all other things are constant, which is what you're changing in your example and what I changed in the one above, cals balance out. You purposefully changed the timing and thus, metabolic response to newly introduced cals. The PWO meal arrives at a time of great deficiency, and thus optimal absorption and usage, whereas the pre-bedtime meal arrives in the system during a time of virtually no need followed by approx. 8hrs of FAR LESS than normal usage when only respiration and autonomic systems are engaged. But remember 3k gms of cheese cake is far less overall volume than 3K gms of chix, so even though the fat is real the calories aren't which is where caloric balancing still comes into play. Plus, such fat would have little permanence because of homeostasis...the body's striving for normalcy. In other words, when normal conditions are restored, for example not eating late night meals again, the body will rapidly adjust by accessing the new fat...unless the system is abused as in many obesity overeating cases.

Based on your example, I wholeheartedly agree!

[peachfuzz]

you guys are silly... arguing the same point.

[ChuckLee]

Liposuction

Oh please....

[perfectbeast2001]

you guys are silly... arguing the same point.

it makes a change to have a good debate with someone who knows what there talking about!!

[magic32]

it makes a change to have a good debate with someone who knows what there talking about!!

Tu chez!

[fdrx7man]

i wanna get the ab etching done.. anyone wanna loan me 7 grand to get rid of like 2 pounds of fat if that?

[magic32]

i wanna get the ab etching done.. anyone wanna loan me 7 grand to get rid of like 2 pounds of fat if that?

That's an overly simplistic way of viewing this procedure. Granted the amount of fat may not be very significant, depending on the individual, and aas give us increased partitioning, but etching gives you complete and utter removal. Since the fat is actually gone there's no reason to moderate and manipulate it anymore, the only issue which should really be a non-issue for the bb'er is not creating new fat cells. Gone are the days of extracting from and shrinking present fat cells to get the desired look, especially the stubborn midsection ones. This is why you'd pay 3-6K, again based on individual need.

Not a bad trade off...after all money is just a medium of exchange to be traded and bartered away, but fat cells are FOR LIFE!