Test e and pct

[Test pilot]

Ok, I know I'm gonna take a beating for this...

I'm on my first ever cycle of test e. 250mg 2x a week, planning on 10 weeks. I have been told by a few people that I won't need pct. I have read the posts and I get that most people feel that you must use pct no matter what.

My question is, does anyone know of a study detailing recovery periods or the extent of testicular shutdown vs. Dose and time on? I feel it worth noting that no mention is ever made of pct after any of the research studies listed on this site.

I really don't want a lecture, just looking for enough information to make an informed decision...

[RoidBoid]

u dont need studys.... speak to the 1000's of people on here that have run cycles.... think of it this way..

your body is clever, when u start injecting for example test e , your body relises after a period of time that your getting test from else were, therefore shuts down its own production, this is were pct comes in .... your need to get your body back producing test again thats why its so important, why risk never being able to produce again.... TRT, HRT..! its a massive risk unless pct is involved in your cycle

[MJP]

Your natural test production will shut down within a few weeks. Of course it will eventually rebound, but you could be talking about months... losing all your gains, feeling like garbage, having no sex drive...

I don't understand what you are looking for to "make an informed decision"... you are already injecting yourself with a drug, why are you hesitant to take other drugs known and proven to aid in the recovery of your natural test?
Not to mention they are cheap, it would seem to be the easiest decision in the world to me.

[FireGuy]

I dont have a problem with him asking the question one bit. I would hope everyone would want to understand the reasons and science behind any advice given and not just accept it at face value because someone told them to. I would advise the OP to ask his friend in the gym the same question as to why he does NOT to need to run PCT. Once he gathers information from him and what has been explained above he should be able to make an informed decision.

[T-MOS]

Studies or no studies, the facts make it VERY BENEFICIAL to do a PCT no matter what !!

FACT- Your Natural Production WILL be shut OFF with the use of 99% of the steroids available out there

FACT- Testosterone is the NUMBER ONE hormone in the male body that makes us males and drives our libido, and erections along with other things like energy

FACT- With every chance you take shutting your Natty Test off, there is a chance it will NOT turn back on

FACT- Taking PCT compounds at the right time for the right length and dose DRAMATICALLY increases your chances of restoring your body back to natural production (will it happen on its own, MAYBE, Maybe NOT)

SO, why on earth would anyone not want to do a PCT to help get them back to homeostasis quicker and help keep the hard earned gains made on cycle, prevent gyno and feel better once coming off a cycle??????????

That is the question you need a study on

[Test pilot]

Thank you! That's my point exactly! One person tells me one thing, another tells me the opposite. Who to believe? I'm not clueless, I'm a healthcare professional with a better-than-average understanding of human physiology. Standard medical doctrine is that tapering off would be just as effective at restoring function while maintaining most of your gains. This is, in fact, what my guy tells me. His logic is that if I was on too much to effectively wean off of it in a reasonable amount of time, then I would need pct. Since I can fairly gently step it down to a level at which endogenous production will resume, pct isn't necessary. It makes sense. I can completely believe that my friend is wrong, as well. But since I don't have any reason to believe anyone else, either... I restate me earlier question: does anyone know of a randomized, double-blind (read SCIENTIFIC) study on the effect of exogenous testosterone use on endogenous testosterone production and recovery?

[Test pilot]

Found that study:

Www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3613857

This study states that test production resumes as soon as blood levels return to normal.

[PittBoy]

Now I haven't been on here long and I am still very green. I have been considering a cycle and have been doing my fair share of reading.

In your position either your friend is right or the people that promote PCT are right.

Ask yourself where the risks lie with your decision. If your friend is right and you do PCT what have you lost? Some cash for the drugs etc. Get your natural test production back quicker too!!

Now if your friend is wrong..............

Even if I were you and shared your thoughts why take the risk?

Just my .02

[T-MOS]

Thank you! That's my point exactly! One person tells me one thing, another tells me the opposite. Who to believe? I'm not clueless, I'm a healthcare professional with a better-than-average understanding of human physiology. Standard medical doctrine is that tapering off would be just as effective at restoring function while maintaining most of your gains. This is, in fact, what my guy tells me. His logic is that if I was on too much to effectively wean off of it in a reasonable amount of time, then I would need pct. Since I can fairly gently step it down to a level at which endogenous production will resume, pct isn't necessary. It makes sense. I can completely believe that my friend is wrong, as well. But since I don't have any reason to believe anyone else, either... I restate me earlier question: does anyone know of a randomized, double-blind (read SCIENTIFIC) study on the effect of exogenous testosterone use on endogenous testosterone production and recovery?

Well what you have to study here then is, the fact that you can be "partially shut down"

It has been back and forth for a long time that SHUT DOWN , means SHUT DOWN and there is no partial shut down. You are either producing test, or if supplemental test or other suppressive compounds are present then you are NOT.

so if it can be proven that you CAN in fact be shut down just a little, then your thoughts on weening off of compounds may hold weight

I for one would just do the PCT to get back up and running ASAP.. JMHO

[iPump]

You should try to get your hands on some HCG also. It will help get your body back to normal. I will say though, one of my first cycles was test e only and all I did for PCT was nolvadex and I didn't have any problems.

[lovex]

this will show u ...PCT is VERY important...
u can even LH getting higher but testrone is not getting higher( it takes time) ...that It is recommended u must go HCG between Last injection and PCT.....

[*RAGE*]

You should try to get your hands on some HCG also. It will help get your body back to normal. I will say though, one of my first cycles was test e only and all I did for PCT was nolvadex and I didn't have any problems.

Have you had your blood work done, if so please share it with us so we know what fine is?

[iPump]

When did I say, "fine?" And yes I have had blood work done. Several times. What do you want to know? Testosterone levels? Cholesterol levels? Let me know... I'll post my whole panel.

[BuckwildBaby]

no pct= skating on thin ice

[forza nuova]

forget the pct for a minute,test e for 10 weeks only is a waste of time,just my op,i need to run it for 14 weeks to get the most out of it.

[iPump]

forget the pct for a minute,test e for 10 weeks only is a waste of time,just my op,i need to run it for 14 weeks to get the most out of it.

NO...

Don't forget the PCT even for a second let alone a minute! Also, 12 weeks is a typical length for what he's asking about.

[forza nuova]

NO...

Don't forget the PCT even for a second let alone a minute! Also, 12 weeks is a typical length for what he's asking about.

i wasnt suggesting to forget the pct at all,always have a pct plan,but whats the point of having a good pct when your cycle is crap,12 weeks is typical ,for you,14 for me thats why i said just my op,,,,,,,read...