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    i found this on another forum what do you guys think

    now this isnt my opinion just asking others and if they feel any truth to it



    TURINABOL should be used in all of your cycles as a BASE.

    TURINABOL INSTEAD OF TEST--Using Testosterone as a base is NOT NECCESSARY. For those concerned with potential side effects(Gyno, Acne, MPB) and overall effect on the endrocrine system and the HPTA, Turinabol may be used in place of traditional testosterone based stacks.

    It is a pure ANABOLIC--exhibiting almost zero androgenic activity and having NO metabolites. (as opposed to TEST, which has many metabolites, two of which are ESTROGEN and DHT--do we really want that with a BASE?)

    It STIMULATES LIBIDO BIG TIME! Free Testosterone levels have been clinically demonstrated to increase by 4.5 times with one single 40mg dose. Furthermore, it has a very minimal impact on HPTA function in comparison to more traditional bulking/base compounds, AND due to its INCREDIBLE affinity to bind with SHBG and increase FREE testosterone levels, "a REBOUND of testosterone occured within 5 days of cessation" on Turinabol. Not only was recovery SWIFT, but one may CONTINUE making gains throughout post cycle therapy.

    It stimulates APPETITE. Need I say more?

    DOES NOT AROMATIZE OR CONVERT to DHT at ANY DOSAGE. Due to its alklyzation at the 17th position, it has an inability to convert to estrogen. This is precisely what what we want from a BASE compound. This is also another reason why recovery is so easy, as there is no circulating excess estrogen to trigger a negative feedback.

    Can be STACKED with ANY COMPOUND. It is purely anabolic, so depending on ones goals, we may stack it with any compound. For a BULKING cycle with MINIMAL sides, I would reccomend a low TBOL/EQ, TBOL/NPP, TBOL/Primo, TBOL/TREN, and if one were not concerned with estrogen related sides, I would use TBOL/DBOL, or TBOL/TEST E,P,C. For CUTTING cycles, one may use TBOL/VAR, TBOL/PRIMO, TBOL/WINNY.

    [The pharmacokinetics of Oral-Turinabol in humans]

    [Article in German]

    Schumann W.

    Institut fur Mikrobiologie und experimentelle Therapie (ZIMET), Jena.

    Disposition and excretion of the anabolic steroid Oral-Turinabol (1;4-chloro-17 alpha-methyl-androsta-1,4-diene-17 beta-hydroxy-3-one) were investigated in male volunteers. Following single p.o. and i.v. administration of the tritium-labelled compound the plasma concentration courses of total radioactivity (1 and 1-metabolites) and of the unchanged parent drug as well as the urinary excretion were estimated. From these data model independent pharmacokinetic parameters based on statistical moments were calculated. 1 is almost completely absorbed after p.o. administration of 10 mg per volunteer. Peak concentrations of total radioactivity and of 1 in plasma were reached about 3 h p.a. Irregularities observed in the plasma level profile following both p.o. and i.v. administration of 1 are due to a marked enterohepatic circulation. Orally given 1 is subject to a first-pass effect, resulting in a diminished systematic availability. The AUC-ratio of the unchanged drug and the total radioactivity of 1 : 13 shows the predominance of metabolites in plasma. After i.v. administration the disposition of unchanged 1 was found biphasically with a terminal half-life of 16 h. 1 and its metabolites are preferentially excreted via the kidneys. The urinary total radioactivity represented about 60% of the dose following both administrations. Due to its affinity to SHBG 1 is able to compete for the protein binding of testosterone, resulting in an increased plasma level of non protein-bound testosterone.

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    Ugh, this argument is terrible. It contradicts itself at least twice. Doesn't even talk about the sides you would get from running eq and tbol alone. Tbol I think is a good tool, but it is far from all use substance. Tbol is quite mild in all aspects of its results including mass gains. And although it will be quite mild on most peoples livers I wouldn't reccomend running it with other liver toxic compounds. So it can't be stacked with anything.

    Test is king for a reason.

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    Pure BS bro...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StritationOrBust View Post
    Ugh, this argument is terrible. It contradicts itself at least twice. Doesn't even talk about the sides you would get from running eq and tbol alone. Tbol I think is a good tool, but it is far from all use substance. Tbol is quite mild in all aspects of its results including mass gains. And although it will be quite mild on most peoples livers I wouldn't reccomend running it with other liver toxic compounds. So it can't be stacked with anything.

    Test is king for a reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mod1-4 View Post
    now this isnt my opinion just asking others and if they feel any truth to it



    TURINABOL should be used in all of your cycles as a BASE.

    TURINABOL INSTEAD OF TEST--Using Testosterone as a base is NOT NECCESSARY. For those concerned with potential side effects(Gyno, Acne, MPB) and overall effect on the endrocrine system and the HPTA, Turinabol may be used in place of traditional testosterone based stacks.

    It is a pure ANABOLIC--exhibiting almost zero androgenic activity and having NO metabolites. (as opposed to TEST, which has many metabolites, two of which are ESTROGEN and DHT--do we really want that with a BASE?)

    It STIMULATES LIBIDO BIG TIME! Free Testosterone levels have been clinically demonstrated to increase by 4.5 times with one single 40mg dose. Furthermore, it has a very minimal impact on HPTA function in comparison to more traditional bulking/base compounds, AND due to its INCREDIBLE affinity to bind with SHBG and increase FREE testosterone levels, "a REBOUND of testosterone occured within 5 days of cessation" on Turinabol. Not only was recovery SWIFT, but one may CONTINUE making gains throughout post cycle therapy.

    It stimulates APPETITE. Need I say more?

    DOES NOT AROMATIZE OR CONVERT to DHT at ANY DOSAGE. Due to its alklyzation at the 17th position, it has an inability to convert to estrogen. This is precisely what what we want from a BASE compound. This is also another reason why recovery is so easy, as there is no circulating excess estrogen to trigger a negative feedback.

    Can be STACKED with ANY COMPOUND. It is purely anabolic, so depending on ones goals, we may stack it with any compound. For a BULKING cycle with MINIMAL sides, I would reccomend a low TBOL/EQ, TBOL/NPP, TBOL/Primo, TBOL/TREN, and if one were not concerned with estrogen related sides, I would use TBOL/DBOL, or TBOL/TEST E,P,C. For CUTTING cycles, one may use TBOL/VAR, TBOL/PRIMO, TBOL/WINNY.

    [The pharmacokinetics of Oral-Turinabol in humans]

    [Article in German]

    Schumann W.

    Institut fur Mikrobiologie und experimentelle Therapie (ZIMET), Jena.

    Disposition and excretion of the anabolic steroid Oral-Turinabol (1;4-chloro-17 alpha-methyl-androsta-1,4-diene-17 beta-hydroxy-3-one) were investigated in male volunteers. Following single p.o. and i.v. administration of the tritium-labelled compound the plasma concentration courses of total radioactivity (1 and 1-metabolites) and of the unchanged parent drug as well as the urinary excretion were estimated. From these data model independent pharmacokinetic parameters based on statistical moments were calculated. 1 is almost completely absorbed after p.o. administration of 10 mg per volunteer. Peak concentrations of total radioactivity and of 1 in plasma were reached about 3 h p.a. Irregularities observed in the plasma level profile following both p.o. and i.v. administration of 1 are due to a marked enterohepatic circulation. Orally given 1 is subject to a first-pass effect, resulting in a diminished systematic availability. The AUC-ratio of the unchanged drug and the total radioactivity of 1 : 13 shows the predominance of metabolites in plasma. After i.v. administration the disposition of unchanged 1 was found biphasically with a terminal half-life of 16 h. 1 and its metabolites are preferentially excreted via the kidneys. The urinary total radioactivity represented about 60% of the dose following both administrations. Due to its affinity to SHBG 1 is able to compete for the protein binding of testosterone, resulting in an increased plasma level of non protein-bound testosterone.

    The rest of this I am not certain off except in bold. Simply because it is a 17aa compound doesnt mean it wont aromatize. Look at Dbol. It is pretty compound specific.

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    ^^I don't think the fact that it is a 17aa has anything to do with no aromatizing. But it doesn't, at least not at levels to be significant in most cases. Its very easy on hpta. I would agree that this is a great alternative compound for people who have bad sides from test and other compounds that are harsh on the hpta.

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    For someone like me who wants gains with the least amount of sides would tbol alone be a viable choice then?

    I have been looking at Test E this whole time but if I have to sacrifice some gains to have less chance of sides I would do that.

    Wanna keep the sides to a minimum so wifey has less of a clue.

    Still doing my studying up before I make any kind of move too.

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    If you dont like test induced sides, just run it at hrt levels????

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    i think that the sides from test are easily controlled.. just need to know what your doing and what to look for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammon View Post
    i think that the sides from test are easily controlled.. just need to know what your doing and what to look for.
    Yeah....I still have my fair share of research to do. But I figure when I have questions, even the ones that may be dumb, I'll ask as I'm brand new to all of this and how else am I gonna learn?

    Thanks for the replies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammon View Post
    i think that the sides from test are easily controlled.. just need to know what your doing and what to look for.
    but not having to worry about sides at all is even better.


    i agree that turinabol should be the new beginner cycle, i dont however, think it should be used as a base. also, turinabol does have metabolites, every drug has metabolites, they just arent metabolised to estrogen/dht.

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    You asked what I think so I'll tell you. I think ROSS posted the article. (just my 2cc)

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    almostgone you are right

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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    You asked what I think so I'll tell you. I think ROSS posted the article. (just my 2cc)

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    says it all right there.. good ole ROSS

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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    you asked what i think so i'll tell you. I think ross posted the article. (just my 2cc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mod1-4 View Post
    almostgone you are right
    lol..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mod1-4 View Post
    almostgone you are right
    He's been trying to sell that argument for a LONG time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN View Post
    but not having to worry about sides at all is even better.
    That's what I was shooting for. Still researching to see what if anything I'm gonna do.

    Thanks for the feedback

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