Winstrol and Dianabol

[V6A6L6O]

I know people reading this will disagree instantly but i have spoken to about 10 people who have run this cycle and seen good gains!!

I was wondering if people could help out with dosing the Dianabol and Winstrol, i know effective dosages of Dianabol are between 30 and 50 i was just wanting advice on how to split that up during the day, obv dependant on half life which correct me if im wrong is 3 hours with dbol?

I think the Winstrol is where i need the most guidance i have read up that it should be taken 4 times a day, but would really be grateful of some help on dosing?

I have been solidly reading up and educating myself on aas for the last month or so which is why i am more than aware that this post will be met with some dissaproval!!

Thanks guys.

[DDDNTZ]

Sounds like you have your mind made up on this thing so here goes...just run what ever dosage you think is best and Im sure it will all work out in the end good luck.

[T-MOS]

yep we disagree

no doubt your friends made gains....no doubt at all. Anybody can make gains from steroids

the problem lies with:
1.what it does to your body when you shut down your natural testosterone
2.What gains you will actually keep long term
3. How long it will take for your HPTA to recover, IF it does

Winny has an active half life of 8-12 hours so minimum of 3 times a day is good, but if doing injects, then once a day will suffice

What are your stats and what is your planned PCT for this cycle??

[HIITB$]

Id be worried about it the hepatoxicity of it too??

[V6A6L6O]

Thanks for the feedback T-MOS i understand that anyone can and most probably will experience gains from the use of aas, however, whilst speaking to friends and researching i have had so much conflicting infomation, which is why i knew this thread would be met with mixed opinion!! But i have seen the gains my friends have made and they are, for the most part very impressive. I think it has been about 5 months since they ran this cycle (6 week cycle) and only one has lost pretty much all his gains, the others seem to have kept both their strenght and mass gains!

The main reason for me trying this cycle aside from the good feedback is its availability and price, i am well aware its not the best cycle to run but i am afraid i am having to "settle" for it as it is all thats available from my source at the mo!!

My stats are as follows;
Age: 22
Weight: 102kg
Height: 5'11
Body Fat: 14-15%
Years Lifting: 5
Arms: 17.5
Quads/Hammies 30
Forearms: 16
Waist: 37
Chest: 46
Calves: 20
Train 5 times a week, cardio 7 times a week consisting of 6 mile runs, interval training, 25 mile bicycle rides and intense Olympic Lifting sessions.

Cheers guys, again any feedback at all is much appreciated.

[skinnypunk]

Sounds like some serious training! I am tired just reading it.

[T-MOS]

Sorry, but PRICE is NO concern (or shouldn't be) when we are talking about effecting your health for the REST OF YOUR LIFE !!! If you can't do it right, then you should NOT be messing with chemicals that WILL alter your body's hormone balance for EVER

again, its what you and your friends DON'T SEE that concerns me !! There is a price to pay when shutting down your body's HPTA, you either pay it NOW or you pay it LATER or you pay it BOTH.....but you/they WILL PAY for shutting themselves down....

either way.....GOOD LUCK TO YOU !!!!

[V6A6L6O]

Would a solid PCT negate the effects of shutting down my HPTA? I mean not completely but certainly i would expect it to help.
Thanks again for the feedback T-MOS.

[bakie]

Would a solid PCT negate the effects of shutting down my HPTA? I mean not completely but certainly i would expect it to help.
Thanks again for the feedback T-MOS.

Definitely on the right track with that question

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=77

^^ the link to all the knowledge one could need on the subject of not shutting down your HPTA.

[Test247]

Hard on your liver, weak gains you'll retain.

Dont be stupid.

Run the Dbol for 3-4 weeks @ 40-50mg a day
run some test for 10 weeks 500mg wk
run deca for 10 weeks 500mgwk

dont do the rest, your young and your huge already, dont be dumb and throw ur gains away.

[V6A6L6O]

I know that according to the "norm" i shouldnt keep much of the gains, but as i said i have witnessed this cycle work!! I'm not here to convince people (because there is no chance on this cycle lol) and i do very much understand you guys know what you are talking about (which is why i wanted to seek you're advice)

I am actually very curious about the loss of gains, i havnt come across much information on estimated loss of gains or averages or what you would expect to lose?! Then again there is no set amount TO BE gained therefore estimating how much you could lose would be a tad difficult!! Hopefully though a well worked pct could again help with the retention of gains?

Am also aware of the toxicity issue as these 2 are both 17aa compounds! But plan on taking steps to counteract this by using Liv-52, Milk Thisle and cranberry, throughout the cycle.

Am still undecided on the pct as of yet, any advice would be greatly appreciated, i am still putting the finishing touches to it, but have not bought anything yet so it is completely open to change.
Thanks again guys.

[HIITB$]

I am lost to WHY you would not just be safe and ensure your cycle with test??

[Dancer]

You "can" run the dbol up to 50mg or even 100mg ED and the winny the same, dosages can be split up during the day as you stated on the OP...

Here is what will happen...

I say your ability to do the 6 mile runs, interval training, 25 mile bicycle rides will be down to a fraction...

Your joints might dry the F up from the winny, issues will come up within 2 weeks

The dbol without an AI will make you hold more water than you would have thought possible.

Can you run that cycle, I guess, will you gain from it I am sure you will gain something... But as pointed out before keeping and pct and AI... I can say IMHO although you might gain from this oral cycle there are better rouths and ways...

[V6A6L6O]

Thanks for the feedback Dancer. I must admit the effects you mentioned do concern me as i am a rugby player and am fully aware of winny's reputation for drying up joints, but again i am eager to shred that extra few per cent of body fat which i have been wrestling with for what seems bloody ages!!
I am thinking of Arimidex as an AI, could you recommend a dosage and length of time? Thus far i am straying towards Arimidex, Nolva, and clomid for pct? Again this is still open to suggestions!! Also advice on which week to commence the pct note; the proposed cycle length is 6 weeks.
Thanks very much guys.

[Dancer]

Thanks for the feedback Dancer. I must admit the effects you mentioned do concern me as i am a rugby player and am fully aware of winny's reputation for drying up joints, but again i am eager to shred that extra few per cent of body fat which i have been wrestling with for what seems bloody ages!!
I am thinking of Arimidex as an AI, could you recommend a dosage and length of time?

0.5mg ED bump to 1mg if you really sensative to holding water run it for all the cycle plus PCT


Thus far i am straying towards Arimidex, Nolva, and clomid for pct?

hcg works better for me than clomid, clomid carries emotional issues and herpes out breaks

Again this is still open to suggestions!! Also advice on which week to commence the pct note; the proposed cycle length is 6 weeks.
Thanks very much guys.

To be 100%, the only AAS I like using while running that doesn't F up my runnning or cardio is Test Prop... Dunno why, it effects my cardio less than any other ester of test for me...

I hate winny I had upped liver enzymes on it one dec. all the hype really don't live up to the rep...

Rugby player I say Halo/test prop but thats just me