Couple of needle newbie questions

[outinfront]

Not a newbie exactly...done several shorties of Dbol alone. 40-50mg/ed for 4weeks. Excellent gains for doing just one product. No pct ever done...however I did notice it's much harder for me to lose fat than ever before. Can't help but think it must be the lack of pct. Maybe est levels stay unbalance for a long w/no pct. ANYWAY that's not my issue.

1. I'm about to do a shorty of tren/dbol w/clomid for pct. I know dbol is an h20 retainer, but if I'm trying to keep fat off as much as possible do I need to:
a. restrict diet, or still eat like a horse like before?
b. avoid cardo like the plague until after the cycle?

[Matt]

Please tell me this is a joke thread??

[TractionIssues]

There is alot wrong with all those cycles, you should really spend more time learning about steroids before doing anything more.

[Mooseman33]

coming out of the woodwork today....do people ever research what they are putting in their bodies...

OP---a real bad idea for 2 many reasons.utilize the search button

[outinfront]

Look i'm not looking to do any 12 or 14 weekers. I've had excellent results w/a limited income on dbol alone, so I know what I'm talking about there. If you think a tren/dbol cycle is a bad idea, please tell me why. I'm no expert, but I've done my research, and i can't see any problem w/a tren/Dbol cycle.

[xavier_888888]

a) "Restrict" yourself from roids

b) "Avoid" doing stupid things and research before your do anything again.

[Matt]

This is like admin using a different user name just come to test us lol, because no one in the right mind would be saying such things..

Come on admin you cant trick us like this.... Hahahaha

[G4R]

Look i'm not looking to do any 12 or 14 weekers. I've had excellent results w/a limited income on dbol alone, so I know what I'm talking about there. If you think a tren/dbol cycle is a bad idea, please tell me why. I'm no expert, but I've done my research, and i can't see any problem w/a tren/Dbol cycle.

You have never used any Test before, and now you want to use Tren? Just how much research have you really done?

[TractionIssues]

What is your problem with doing 12-14 week cycle like normal people, are you scared of the needle poor baby? :P

[ninesecz]

I will give you a bunch of reasons... One... Tren is for Advanced Bodybuilders who have a great base and several cycles under there belt. Two...The side affects from tren are horrible and that is why most do not use it unless they are no longer making good gains from other compounds such as Winny, deca, Eq Etc Etc,, Three Tren is not test and D-bol is not test. You ave already shut your HPTA down with the D-bol before and running tren without any test in your system is horrible for your body! Four.. you really do not know what you are talking about! Sorry and do not mean to sound like a dick but if you would ever in a million years think that D-bol and tren would be a decent cycle, then you are not even close to ready for steroids! D-bol and tren might just be the worst Combo I have ever heard off! Should I keep going....??????

[outinfront]

Funny. I was a medic assistant for two years...not scared. Some people like shorts, some like longs. That debate will go on forever. I know tren is immensely powerful...do you think I'm taking 150mg a day? Maybe 50mg, max. I think it's pretty well established stacking tren w/something like dbol for a bulking or winni for cutting is alright. In any case, I've used the search button, I could be searching all night and day...what I've found is that people have stacked these together, but you've got to watch the doses, and especially your aggression. Now I'm open to being wrong, but so far I've just gotten that I'm wrong, not reasons why.

[outinfront]

Finally...thanks for some reasons. Shit!

[outinfront]

and yeah, you should keep going.

[TractionIssues]

Funny. I was a medic assistant for two years...not scared. Some people like shorts, some like longs. That debate will go on forever. I know tren is immensely powerful...do you think I'm taking 150mg a day? Maybe 50mg, max. I think it's pretty well established stacking tren w/something like dbol for a bulking or winni for cutting is alright. In any case, I've used the search button, I could be searching all night and day...what I've found is that people have stacked these together, but you've got to watch the doses, and especially your aggression. Now I'm open to being wrong, but so far I've just gotten that I'm wrong, not reasons why.

Sorry thats very wrong. Test should be part of EVERY cycle first off, and secondly you are no where near ready to be using Tren. Just do a simple 12 week cycle of Tren E and you will see great gains, not to mention all the great benefits of using Test (libido, mood, energy, etc) why are you so scared of this?

[c-Z]

Finally...thanks for some reasons. Shit!

Ya like to be spoon fed huh? Obviously you didn't utilize the search button for a noobie cycle. because i can tell you tren wouldn't be apart of it.

How about you stick around longer then a day. And read?

Not a newbie exactly...done several shorties of Dbol alone. 40-50mg/ed for 4weeks. Excellent gains for doing just one product. No pct ever done...

Noob cycle right there.... Actually I think a noob could tell you not to do dbol only and how noobish that is.

[c-Z]

Sorry thats very wrong. Test should be part of EVERY cycle first off, and secondly you are no where near ready to be using Tren. Just do a simple 12 week cycle of Tren E and you will see great gains, not to mention all the great benefits of using Test (libido, mood, energy, etc) why are you so scared of this?

How about stats from OP before we offer any suggestions on cycles? personally i don't think he is ready whether he meets the stats or not.

[outinfront]

Yeah CZ, I did! Seems to me I don't really want anything to do with or by a man being so discredited as Anthony Roberts. His name is attached to all those cycles. CZ, lay off the tren, guy! Traction-not scared of test at all-really wish I had some. Thx for the input, though.

[c-Z]

Yeah CZ, I did! Seems to me I don't really want anything to do with or by a man being so discredited as Anthony Roberts. His name is attached to all those cycles. In any case, thanks tractionissues for the most helpful advice. CZ, lay off the tren, guy!

no tren here. How about some stats. And there is nothing wrong with those cycles. If you would have read the post that talks about him http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=347460 and skimmed it. You would see others saying similar things about it with mods backing his information. There is nothing wrong with his information.

How about cutting the gay "lay off the tren" comment shit..... Your not cool man? Your the one who wants to try it. I have never done it.

So bro lay off the dbol.. (gay isnt it? sounds like something my little sister would say)

Once more
STATS!

[T-MOS]

hey outinfront,'

There are lots of reasons your suggested cycle is no good for you or anyone actually. If it was good, we would tell you, as its not our job to stop you or tell you wrong information.

What would help us is if you give us your complete stats.

age
height
weight
bodyfat %
diet
yrs training
previous cylces, length, doses
PCT planned for this cylce
Goals for this cycle

It seems you don't have a good understanding of how your body works and what steroids do to your body

You are wanting to use chemicals that will alter your body's HPTA and this isn't something to take lightly

[c-Z]

hey outinfront,'

It seems you don't have a good understanding of how your body works and what steroids do to your body

This is exactly what I am trying to get at. Hence sticking around more and learning more OP.

[stpete]

He's only hearing what he wants to hear guys. Too bad some people are so hard headed that they'd rather hurt themselves (maybe forever), than admit they're wrong and start over.

[c-Z]

He's only hearing what he wants to hear guys. Too bad some people are so hard headed that they'd rather hurt themselves (maybe forever), than admit they're wrong and start over.

yeah.... idk much rather try to get someone to do a cycle properly then poorly.

[stpete]

^^^^^ i see ya workin.

[outinfront]

TMOS...yeah thanks, no problem.
33
6'3" 245lbs 27% bf. Very high bfp I know.
Weight training w/normal gnc type supps for 12 years
3 cycles done before-all dbol alone, 40mg/day for 4weeks. No pct...8 weeks passed before the next cycle was done.
I plan to use clomid for this pct
Goals are to put on strength, mass, limit bloat as much as possible, and definitely incorporate a pct this time.

I appreciate honesty, and make honest efforts at research. I don't appreciate excess cynicism and aggression. I'm here to learn, not put up with your bs remarks cz. If you have an ax to grind cz, moose, others, grind it with the guy that pissed you off. Anyway thx TMOS.

[Big]

Yeah CZ, I did! Seems to me I don't really want anything to do with or by a man being so discredited as Anthony Roberts. His name is attached to all those cycles. CZ, lay off the tren, guy! Traction-not scared of test at all-really wish I had some. Thx for the input, though.

are you really here for cycle advise?

[c-Z]

TMOS...yeah thanks, no problem.
33
6'3" 245lbs 27% bf. Very high bfp I know.
Weight training w/normal gnc type supps for 12 years
3 cycles done before-all dbol alone, 40mg/day for 4weeks. No pct...8 weeks passed before the next cycle was done.
I plan to use clomid for this pct
Goals are to put on strength, mass, limit bloat as much as possible, and definitely incorporate a pct this time.

I appreciate honesty, and make honest efforts at research. I don't appreciate excess cynicism and aggression. I'm here to learn, not put up with your bs remarks cz. If you have an ax to grind cz, moose, others, grind it with the guy that pissed you off. Anyway thx TMOS.

excess cynicism and agression? How about in english. None of this is BS. This is your body bro. Do what you want. I know how to properly cycle. You on the other hand don't because my comments may come of sarcastic or rude etc. Well deal with it. I have no ax to grind. Only one pissing me off is your ass.... If you would have given me stats like i asked god knows how many times. It would have been much easier. Your here a day and a want to start shit. Great way to kick of your first day here. Maybe the problem is you?

As far as your cycle goes. It fu*king sucks. And you say you search but just above this section has a beginners cycle advice. Another great search on your part... everything is laid out smooth like butter.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

Humm interesting.

Ok now 3 dbol only cycles? This is what makes me worry. You have no clue what your doing. No knowledge of PCT. Your PCT for this new proposed sh*t cycle sucks.

You just aren't ready.... Sorry to say it. Sorry to be a prick. but you aren't ready.

12 years training and 27% bf still? Obviously your doing something wrong. Another reason for you to stick around more then a few hours.

c-Z 's another asshole here.

Go to the damn diet section. I'm done with you. Your a joke. outinfront

[stpete]

If you want to do real cycle start off with test e. I don't think you can call those dbol cycles really cycles. Well, i guess you can but you probably did more damage than anything. You'll love the test and make much better gains than you did with that dbol. I think you were getting good advice. Everyone has their own way of dispensing it though. Do extensive research on tren then ask yourself if you think you're really ready for it. We're speaking from personal experience and trying to help but you should at least listen a little imo. Your proposed cycle is a very bad idea. Go for test first.

[T-MOS]

high bodyfat will cause you much higher risks of estrogen sides, heart problems, cholesterol problems, blood pressure problems, gyno

I would HIGHLY recommend that you fix your diet and get your bodyfat at least 15% or under and then looking into a TEST ONLY cycle

the cycles you have taken and are suggesting now will SHUT DOWN your hpta with NO exogenous test to make up for what your are losing

the Male body works best with TEST flowing through it. Shutting down your body's natural hormones without supplementing them is NOT SMART !!!

[Matt]

Wow this went down hill, im afraid the guy's are right in what they say lol, im still shocked that this isnt a joke thread...

Any how good luck...

[ninesecz]

27% BF You are going to do tren and have a Miocardio Infarction (thats a heart attack) LOL Dud you should not be anywhere even near a bottle of tren til u are way under 20% You nare obviously going to do what you want so all I can say is good luck! But I would love to see the reference where you saw that someone , anyone stacked tren with D-bol. Show us a link or copy and paste that in a post. I do not believe you saw it and think you are just making that up! I have never seen any type of cycle where the main ingrediaent was not testosterone! and I bet the others on here will agree 100%

[outinfront]

Thanks for the input, pete and TMOS. I've got the info I was looking for. CZ, you may have knowledge, but you're a piece of shit-go fu** yourself.

[ninesecz]

Thanks for the input, pete and TMOS. I've got the info I was looking for. CZ, you may have knowledge, but you're a piece of shit-go fu** yourself.

Gee I feel bad now I tried to help too but no thank you for me!! I guess thats how it is Ah Well!!

[dannyboy48]

27% is approaching obesity. You don't need anything that will even think about raising your bp. You should clean up your diet and not avoid cardio like the the plague. You should embrace it like your child. Hah

[LizzardSecond]

outinfront your taking his criticism the wrong way. He is telling you straight out that what your doing is dumb and not effective.

I am preety new at this too. I have done 3 cycles. the first one was a dbol cycle only too. It was 10 years ago. My second and third were test cycles and now I am seeing serious gains. There is alot of good info on these boards there just not the best at expressing it.

Do Test E 2x/week
Do clomid and novaldex and hcg as your pct

Do this after you have lost some weight. Clean up you diet. My diet is posted on this board. Read my posts. To get lean you must clean.

[ninesecz]

just so you know with that bodyfat percentage you would be around 185# @ 10%BF so you really need a lot of dieting and cardio to drop that down and get under 220# to be in the position to run a cycle

[outinfront]

Thanks Lizzard...looking at your diet here shortly. I can take constructive criticism all day long...if you can't there's no reason even saying anything in the first place. I just react strongly to someone coming across like a jackass.

[outinfront]

Agreed, nines. Around 210-15 may be good to start. But 185 @10% sounds kinda low. I was at 205 a couple years ago, and started to look frail.

[ninesecz]

Thanks Lizzard...looking at your diet here shortly. I can take constructive criticism all day long...if you can't there's no reason even saying anything in the first place. I just react strongly to someone coming across like a jackass.

185 is just an estimate 210-215 is probably low enough to start but at your weight and BF you are really asking for a heart attack! No disrespect.

[outinfront]

None taken. Just seems after that first dbol only cycle, I've had problems getting fat off? Could it be an imbalance from the dbol w/o a pct?

[Big]

I moved your other thread to the staff section for review, you need to read our rules before you post again.