Winter Bulker - CRITIQUE MY CYCLE plz

[michael tyson]

I did my first cycle around this time last year. It was Test E 500mg/week. Gained about 10-15 solid pounds after it was all said and done with ~ 2800 clean cals a day. Here is what I have planned for this winter bulker.

Week
1-4 40mg/day dbol blue hearts
1-12 500mg/test E
1-10 400mg/deca
1-12 .25mg adex
8-* 500iu hcg every 5th day


PCT 2 weeks after last injection
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

I am already on 20mg of accutane a day and plan on staying on it through cycle. Should I add something for my liver?
Also, I have 15 weeks worth of the test and deca. If I am still getting gains, could I extend this cycle to 14 weeks test and 12 weeks of deca? please share your thoughts. Thanks.




**EDIT** Is this shit true? I got this information from another board in regards to my cycle.

Arimidex is a competitive inhibitor. It is both weak and will cause a rebound effect when you come off.
Nolvadex inhibits GH and IGF which will make it very hard to keep your gains when you come off. Add to that Nolva increases progesterone expression. So any Deca you have left over (which is at least 6 weeks) will be much more likely to cause gyno if you use Nolva.
Use Aromasin or AIFM. They are both suicidal inhibitors that kill rather than block the aromatase estrogen production.
Tyler liver detox for your dbol.

[RANA]

What are your stats?
Cycle looks good, why are you taking adex? Do you have gyno issues? If not I wouldn't use it unless needed.

[michael tyson]

What are your stats?
Cycle looks good, why are you taking adex? Do you have gyno issues? If not I wouldn't use it unless needed.

adex to help with acne, bloat, gyno prevention

im 26 yrs old 5"11 205

[marcus300]

I did my first cycle around this time last year. It was Test E 500mg/week. Gained about 10-15 solid pounds after it was all said and done with ~ 2800 clean cals a day. Here is what I have planned for this winter bulker.

Week
1-4 40mg/day dbol blue hearts
1-12 500mg/test E
1-10 400mg/deca
1-12 .25mg adex
8-* 500iu hcg every 5th day


PCT: nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

I am already on 20mg of accutane a day and plan on staying on it through cycle. Should I add something for my liver?
Also, I have 15 weeks worth of the test and deca. If I am still getting gains, could I extend this cycle to 14 weeks test and 12 weeks of deca? please share your thoughts. Thanks.

Cycle looks fine, I would think 12 wks will be enough if its your second cycle.

[michael tyson]

Cycle looks fine, I would think 12 wks will be enough if its your second cycle.

what do you think about liver supplements? recommendations on what to take?

[marcus300]

I think you will be fine with only 4 wks worth of dbol, if your concerned get some milk thistle

[michael tyson]

nobody has any suggestions as to how I could make this cycle better? That is VERY rare on this board. I must know my shit pretty well!

[RANA]

nobody has any suggestions as to how I could make this cycle better? That is VERY rare on this board. I must know my shit pretty well!

glad to see you did your homework

[KimboHalfSlice]

Week
1-4 40mg/day dbol blue hearts
1-12 500mg/test E
1-10 400mg/deca
1-12 .25mg adex
8-* 500iu hcg every 5th day


PCT: nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

What does the * mean for your hCG week times?

I read on the internet that hCG has a half-life of about 33 hours. If you're taking it every 5 days, then your hCG blood level will have dipped to 8% before you get a chance to boost it back up again.

Here's where I get the 8% from:
5 days = 120 hours
120 hours divided by 33 hours = 3.636364
So that means your hCG level will be halved 3.636364 times, so then then we do:
0.5 to the power of 3.636365 = 0.0804 = 8%

I've read somewhere that people usually take 200iu of hCG per day for weeks 1-12, I still have more research to do on this. The idea of using hCG isn't to make your testicles recover, it's to be used to actually stop them shutting down in the first place.

One thing I'd like to ask about is the Arimidex dosage. Some people say 0.25 mg ED, while others say 0.25 mg EOD. How do the results differ from these dosages?

By the way I'm in the exact same boat as you. I've done one cycle already consisting of 583mg of Test E per week for 14 weeks.

I'm gonna start my next cycle in February, and it's pretty much identical to what you've written above: Test, Deca, Dianabol, Amiridex, hCG (and then of course for PCT: Clomiphene & Tamoxifen). I'm looking forward to it.

[michael tyson]

by 8-* 500iu hcg every 5th day

I mean from week 8 until I run out of my 5000iu kit of hcg, i will take 500iu every 5th day. I disagree that hcg is used to keep yourself from being shut down in the first place. When taking that much test and especially deca, you ARE going to get shut down.

I would appreciate if a vet could elaborate on this please.

[chitownhoker]

nobody has any suggestions as to how I could make this cycle better? That is VERY rare on this board. I must know my shit pretty well!

its a pretty basic cycle bro, not sure how you could screw it up, but ya this is what researching will get ya!

[michael tyson]

edited with new info

[KimboHalfSlice]

I disagree that hcg is used to keep yourself from being shut down in the first place. When taking that much test and especially deca, you ARE going to get shut down.

This is how natural human Testosterone production works, in three stages:

1st Stage ---> 2nd Stage ---> 3rd Stage

Hypothalmus releases GnRH ---> Pituitary releases LH ---> Testicles release Testosterone

When you take take Testosterone and Nandrolone, it will trigger your Hypothalamus to drastically decrease the amount of GnRH it produces. As the very 1st stage is diminished, the 2nd follows, and then the 3rd.

hCG is a compound which will perform the exact same function as LH in the human body (hCG is actually preferable over LH because of the longer halflife). If you take hCG during cycle, you will have created a new system in your body, and it's a simple 2-stage system:

You inject hCG ---> Testicles release Testosterone

hCG will keep your balls alive and kicking. However your first two natural stages involving the Hypothalamus and Pituitary will be shut down, but the good thing is that they bounce back quickly, it's the testicles you gotta worry about.

[pharm-muscle]

I personally like to hold off on hcg until a few weeks after my last steroid injection (long esters that is) as the steroids will have everything suppressed until then and adding the HCG too early will make it that much more difficult for your hypothalamus and pituitary to come back on line. Although, your dose is really low so might not shut anything down in addition to the juice. If you are worried about testicle atrophy and that whole deal then the low dose HCG might not be a bad idea.

[michael tyson]

I personally like to hold off on hcg until a few weeks after my last steroid injection (long esters that is) as the steroids will have everything suppressed until then and adding the HCG too early will make it that much more difficult for your hypothalamus and pituitary to come back on line. Although, your dose is really low so might not shut anything down in addition to the juice. If you are worried about testicle atrophy and that whole deal then the low dose HCG might not be a bad idea.

ya, this makes a lot of sense. the hcg protocol I plan on using has worked well for people I know who have a lot of experience with AAS. I am going to do some more reading but if a vet could chime in and let me know what they feel is the best hcg protocol for my cycle, it would be much appreciated. What are the benefits/drawbacks of my protocol as opposed to waiting until PCT to run the hcg? I have a 5000iu kit at my disposal.

[michael tyson]

anyone have thoughts on the best way for me to run my hcg?

[Vitruvian-Man]

anyone have thoughts on the best way for me to run my hcg?

I would definitely extend the cycle to 14 weeks of test and 12 weeks of deca.

I am a huge advocate of running deca for longer then 10 weeks. Deca has such a long ester that some won't feel it's effects until ~5 weeks in.

Regarding the HCG... ideally one would run a constant dosage from the beginning of the cycle leading all the way up to the PCT (IE) 500iu every 5th day (weeks 1 - 16) and then begin PCT.

However, another opinion is to wait until around month into the cycle, and begin using HCG from then on. (IE) weeks 5 - 16.

Either way works. First way is best IMO.

Looks like a quality bulking cycle, good luck.

[michael tyson]

I would definitely extend the cycle to 14 weeks of test and 12 weeks of deca.

I am a huge advocate of running deca for longer then 10 weeks. Deca has such a long ester that some won't feel it's effects until ~5 weeks in.

Regarding the HCG... ideally one would run a constant dosage from the beginning of the cycle leading all the way up to the PCT (IE) 500iu every 5th day (weeks 1 - 16) and then begin PCT.

However, another opinion is to wait until around month into the cycle, and begin using HCG from then on. (IE) weeks 5 - 16.

Either way works. First way is best IMO.

Looks like a quality bulking cycle, good luck.

well, I will have a 5000iu kit of HCG. So if I stick with my plan of 500iu every 5th day starting week 8, that will mean I'll run out of HCG at week 14(when I plan on starting PCT). I have recently read an article that said you should give HCG 5-6 days before starting nolv/clomid.

taken from http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.aspx

It is important for the HCG administration to have been completed with 6 or 7 clear days before the onset of PCT in order to avoid inhibition of the Nolvadex and/or Clomid therapy.

thoughts?

[michael tyson]

bump