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I'm a 21 yr old that has been working out for almost 2 1/2yrs and i'm looking to start my first cycle. Im a Professional Golfer in the off season and these are the Anabolics i'm currently looking at: Oxantrione aka Var 10, Tren 75, D-anabol 25, and Clen. Please give me any information that could be usefull to me.
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Your to young to use steroids but the compounds you have mentioned are fine to use.
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How am I too young? I havent grown in 5 years and ive finally hit a level of no gains in my workouts. I also would like some help on how to cycle these steroids.
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In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.
Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.
Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.
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Listen to the man. Learn the easy way bro.Originally Posted by marcus300
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I am going to use tablets and I am only going to do a single session to get a little edge during this off season. I am playing in the Masters in April and I have been doing my research for a little over 3 months before making this decision. Are the roids im choosing have a safer alternative or are they the safest stack for me?
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First thing your to young to do a cycle weather if its only one or not, do you want issues with your testicles and testosterone?
Second, you dont take steroids because you play golf,
Third, the compounds you mentioned in your first post are fine to take, pick any of them or all of them and take them, but dont take steroids.
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Marcus is right, as usual.
But I'm curious, Chris, what you look to gain from steroids as a professional golfer.
I've played golf and I suck at it, so I respect golfers, but it's uncommon for a golfer to use steroids to improve performance, when so much of golf relies not on strength or speed but skill and co-ordination.
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lulz. None of those are even steroids. They're sugar pills with almost-AAS names.
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Its for strength and speed. Those are the two things I lack in my genetics. I am 6'1" and I weigh in at 161lbs. So Marcus you are saying that Tren, Var, D-anabol 25, and Clen arent steroids? You said they are fine, but dont take steroids.....
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So these arent even worth my $280?
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Chris I am trying to help you, dont touch steroids there are not for you, your stats show it and for what you want them for your wasting your time.
Do you want to cause yourself damage what could have an impact on the rest of your life? do you want small testicles? do you want to be able to get a hard on? do you want to have to inject for the rest of your life because your have low testosterone? is it realy worth shutting down a system what hasnt fully developed yet? do you want to risk that?
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No I don't want those risks at all and I respect and appreciate your help. I am just wanting to know if these particular substances are even going to be worth their cost and if they are gonna have a negative reflection on my lifestyle. I am not disagreeing with anything any of you are saying, I asked for advice and I am grateful for the help.
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Those compounds are not steroids, you dont want steroids...
Let me put it this way, I understand steroids ive been taking them for longer than you have been alive, please take my advice and forget steroids, for what you want to take them for your taking silly, its like me telling you i am going to learn golf with a cricket bat, what would you say!! now stop what you have in your head and go and train for your comp and forget steroids
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Alright well are these compounds gonna give me any of the gains I was looking for or is it going to be a total waste of money?
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No Chris they are not steroids, your better off spending your money on some extra food, stop thinking your answer is within a tablet its not.
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Ok so why do they sell them for $300 if they dont do anything?
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you can charge any amount for vitamins..
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Were you born yesterday? Because people will buy them and they will make money. It's called a scam.
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I can see i am wasting my time and effort,
Your telling me your a professional golfer and your acting like a child, take the advice and dont touch steroids at your age, you will thank me in the long run.
Your stats are very poor,
Steroids are not for golfers,
Your to young,
There isn't a right way to take steroids at your age, no matter if your going to do it or not, there isn't a right way to take them, if your looking for advice for someone your age how to take steroids I would find another forum, best of luck.
I am out of here,
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Even though I was thanking you for your advice and listening to everything you said. You have a very edgy temper as I can tell. Good day
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you dont even want to be lifting heavy weights for golf for a start, you'd screw up your swing and posture
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Haha ok obviously you have no damn clue what youre talking about. How about you go look up Tiger Woods workout regiment. Dumbest thing ive heard all day. A strong upper body and core actually improve your posture. Dont talk if you have no clue what youre talking about.
'everything louder than everything else'
oh and a degree in sport science doesnt qualify me not to mention 16yrs training and the fact ive trained 3 golfers??? and played golf myself?? go fvck yourself you little asshole, i hope you get jumped on every fvckn thread you start. cocky little prick
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Hahaha you trained 3 golfers, yet youre trying to tell me I shouldnt even be working out? Want me to mention 500 more PGA pros that workout every single day? Oh wow you played golf, I should take my advice from you since ive been playing for 12 years now. Haha youre a joke.
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go read the 8th and 9th words in on my post you spastic. now, if you aint gona push yourself wat the fuk wud you use aas for? done with you fukwit, someone ban this **** already
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Yea im sure they will ban me for you since you requested it. Looks like you are important haha. Dont come in my thread trying to talk shyt you cant back up with facts. Go learn a thing about golf fitness and try again. www.mytpi.com should help you a lot haha
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Haha buddy unless someone breaks both my arms im pretty sure ill still have my tour card until 2013. Can you say the same? You really crack me up. Keep flaming. Hopefully they will ban your ass.
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Ok well we'll see if I get banned for your unecessary posts in this thread. Calling me a kiddo? You keep putting little smiley faces in your posts, calling me things like 'tard', and you dont have any form of contemporary grammer. Just go **** yourself. Really
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Both of you should stop your childish acts. This isn't a babysit forum and should be somewhat mature. Please control yourselfs!
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That doesn't mean you have to act the same way; common. Just let it go!
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back on topic, at 21, 6'1" and 161lbs, your gains would be easily obtainable naturally with proper diet and training. good luck.
'everything louder than everything else'
i gave sound advice and had it chucked in my face, sorry but i dont suffer fools gladly and i think the drol must be kickn in lol
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Pretty much anyone could get bigger than Tiger Woods without touching AAS. Yeah, some strength may be beneficial, but you sure as hell don't need suprahysiological androgen levels (steroids) to achieve the amount of strength and size optimal for golf (once your lats and chest start interfering with your swing, you're ****ed). If you're willing to agree with this, then you have no need for AAS and should just start hitting the gym a bit harder and eating better.
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Thanks for the advice
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