what would be the outcome of doing a cycle and then not cycling again?

[bbh90]

iv never done a cycle its an interest of mine but still need some time consider my decision

but i was wondering for people who have used steroids and have experience in this what happens if you do a cycle and make good gains but you decide iv gotten to the level of fitness i want i dont need to cycle anymore

would you be able to naturally maintain the gains after a cycle? or is it like once you cycle you have to keep on cycling to keep at that level?

[SlimJoe]

you need to research steroids before you take anything eat and train hard and when you think you are ready for aas post stats also post them up now give us a short life story on the gym life. slim

[fleck]

re - search !!!

lol It really helps. You can keep some of the gains depending on what you use , your training, diet, and so on and so forth...

[bbh90]

iv already done this on this sight before lol i can do it again but im not an amature iv been lifting for 7 years and i have a very strict diet and im very dedicated to my lifting regimen if you really need ill post a pic and stats and stuff i just dont really want to go through the hassle but i will say im not some noob looking for fast easy gains or to maintain a physique just the fastest way possible without effort

[fleck]

so your qustion is weather you will keep the gains?
what are your stats?
What is your proposed cycle looking like?
Diet?
BF?

[MACHINE5150]

No, you don't need to keep being on steroids after you make reasonable gains.. you you need to remain on to look freakishly huge.. Some guys naturally can hold 250-260lbs at 12% Bf because they have wide frames (like me) But for an ecto morph to retain that much weight would need steroids.. you will basically beable to hold on to what you would have been able to obtain naturally maybe a slight bit more

[DADYROID]

guys can you ahve some problems if you take steroids 3 times a year for 2 months each?

[DADYROID]

or can be cycle long 12 weeks?

[DADYROID]

guys can you ahve some problems if you take steroids 3 times a year for 2 months each?

like

400mg deca week
500mg sustanon week

[bbh90]

thanks for the help interesting way of putting it i was kind of wondering if it was somewhere along those lines my stats are right now im 5 9 170 about 8% bf bench 315 i only front squat now because i have a bulged disc but as of a couple months ago my back squat was 340 for set of 5 and i only do straight leg dead lift now as well but when i was doing regular dead i could do about 425ish

my diet as of right now is 3100 cals with about 284 grams protein 234 grams carbs and 90 grams fats i also have a cheat day every week in which i usually get most of my cheating from carbs and some fats

im not sure if id consider myself an ecto or meso i have a very asthetic build and i look bigger than i actually am at 170 but being that i am only 170 and its pretty difficult for me to put on more muscle weight i think i am a ecto meso muscle volume still seems to come but the actually muscle weight gains seem to be very very slow and even if i do bulk it seems i gain mainly fat at that point

in this im not trying to say that im at my natural potential think with years of training i can get up to around 180 8% bodyfat so im just trying to be honest here the reason i want to do a cycle is basically to get to my absolute natural potential faster and then maintain i would like to be around 180-190 i think 190 is really my overall goal but ya what do you guys think if i were to bring myself to that level do you think it would be maintainable naturally?

[bbh90]

sorry this is what i had in mind for a cycle as well possibly only go 8 weeks though

Week 1-10 Test E 250 mg monday thursday
week 1-16 Adex .50mg every other day

PCT
week 13-14
clomid 50mg 2 times a day
week 15-16
clomid 50mg a day

[Brewster]

sorry this is what i had in mind for a cycle as well possibly only go 8 weeks though

Week 1-10 Test E 250 mg monday thursday
week 1-16 Adex .50mg every other day wtf is this all about?

PCT
week 13-14
clomid 50mg 2 times a day
week 15-16
clomid 50mg a day

This is a stupid thread filled with dumb comments,
I think it should be deleted

[MACHINE5150]

This is a stupid thread filled with dumb comments,
I think it should be deleted

then why don't you enlighted us..

The Arimidex, while good to have on hand is not necessary to run unless you feel sides are becoming a problem.. which, for most people, is not an issue

[bbh90]

whats wrong with the ADEX?

[fleck]

you bench 315 at 170? would like to see a vid of that lol but nice one anyway..
Ill put in my two penny im sure others will give you there advice. Usually for a first cycle someone would make the biggest gains if you were to cycle properley. Your right to go with test e Im doing a similar cycle which is my forst @ 300mg/week and so far Ive made big gains so its up to you 300 I find is fine.
You mentioned 284 grams of protein is that a week a month what? and same with your cals??
I didnt understand what you meant by i am only 170 and its pretty difficult for me to put on more muscle weight i think i am a ecto meso muscle volume still seems to come but the actually muscle weight gains seem to be very very slow and even if i do bulk it seems i gain mainly fat at that point '' maybe you could make it clearer.
Many guys will tell you not to touch juice if you havent reached your 'potential' yet. I would agree to a point and advise you to wait until you find it hard to make any gains what soever. But thats really your choice and we'll help you along the way Im sure. If you cycle right and your pct is correct which it doesent look like.... importantly keeping your doeses as low as possible for a first cycle as the second cycle will usually need as much (but usually a little more than the first), you will have a greater chance of keeping your gains. This is where the choice of gear will come in to play. Anavar is a great novice drug that will dramatically increase your strength in the gym. Most of the gains you will see with it , you will be able to keep. You might decide to go with your origianl idea of test e which is not known especially for the ability to let users keep thier gains as water weight is a big factor. Like I said research as much as you can, only you can make the decision to go ahead with something just make sure you know what the heck you are doing, good luck and any questions just ask and il do my best to answer...
fleck

[bbh90]

i just wanted to keep estrongen under control i mean it wouldnt hurt to use would it?

[Brewster]

then why don't you enlighted us..

The Arimidex, while good to have on hand is not necessary to run unless you feel sides are becoming a problem.. which, for most people, is not an issue

I was reffering more to the thread h'-jacker asking stupid questions
and its yet another thread where I see people giving out advise and I fail to see the OP's AGE posted anywhere

he did manage to post this great response to people who told him to re search

iv already done this on this sight before lol i can do it again but im not an amature iv been lifting for 7 years and i have a very strict diet and im very dedicated to my lifting regimen if you really need ill post a pic and stats and stuff i just dont really want to go through the hassle but i will say im not some noob looking for fast easy gains or to maintain a physique just the fastest way possible without effort

[bbh90]

you bench 315 at 170? would like to see a vid of that lol but nice one anyway..
Ill put in my two penny im sure others will give you there advice. Usually for a first cycle someone would make the biggest gains if you were to cycle properley. Your right to go with test e Im doing a similar cycle which is my forst @ 300mg/week and so far Ive made big gains so its up to you 300 I find is fine.
You mentioned 284 grams of protein is that a week a month what? and same with your cals??
I didnt understand what you meant by i am only 170 and its pretty difficult for me to put on more muscle weight i think i am a ecto meso muscle volume still seems to come but the actually muscle weight gains seem to be very very slow and even if i do bulk it seems i gain mainly fat at that point '' maybe you could make it clearer.
Many guys will tell you not to touch juice if you havent reached your 'potential' yet. I would agree to a point and advise you to wait until you find it hard to make any gains what soever. But thats really your choice and we'll help you along the way Im sure. If you cycle right and your pct is correct which it doesent look like.... importantly keeping your doeses as low as possible for a first cycle as the second cycle will usually need as much (but usually a little more than the first), you will have a greater chance of keeping your gains. This is where the choice of gear will come in to play. Anavar is a great novice drug that will dramatically increase your strength in the gym. Most of the gains you will see with it , you will be able to keep. You might decide to go with your origianl idea of test e which is not known especially for the ability to let users keep thier gains as water weight is a big factor. Like I said research as much as you can, only you can make the decision to go ahead with something just make sure you know what the heck you are doing, good luck and any questions just ask and il do my best to answer...
fleck

thanks for the help im not trying to sound impressive or anything but i really can bench 315 when i was a freshman in highschool i benched 240 and set a record for my highschool i should say this isnt with competition lifting form i would be using my back to get up 315 the reason i decided to do 500 is because i would like would really like to do just one cycle and then maintain my physique from there so i wanted to make it not a cycle that would be considered rediculous or over kill but just pretty solid

basically what i was saying with the 170 part that you put in bold is that for me to make muscle weight gains like adding pounds of muscle to my frame its very difficult but i do make gains in muscle volume which when i say that i mean that my muscle size and fullness still increases it just doesnt seem to translate onto the scale

as for the 284 grams protein everything i posted about my diet in the above post was a day i take in 3100 calories a day 284 grams protein a day 234 grams carbs a day and 90 grams fats a day all from clean sources

as far as reaching natural potential i still dont want to claim iv hit my absolute natural potential because with time i think gains are always possible but i have hit a point in which it is much harder to gain any muscle weight and get beyond 170 my strength still increases not as fast as before but its pretty steady none the less most of my lifts are pretty high considering my weight and size so its hard for me to decide as based on strength

honestly my strength is at a point that i almost not concerned with it although i know the only way to make the size gains is to keep moving up in the weights i feel that my strength is far higher than my mass indicates a reason for this may be that when i was younger i worked out for strength only and still now i fidn the max ot routine most effective which is all low reps high weight although it does give me good mass gains

i havnt looked into anavar too much used to look into ph's a lot more but iv been getting more enlightened on steroids because i feel they produce better more maintainable gains any opinions on this?

[Dont wanna be old]

I was reffering more to the thread h'-jacker asking stupid questions
and its yet another thread where I see people giving out advise and I fail to see the OP's AGE posted anywhere

he did manage to post this great response to people who told him to re search

iv already done this on this sight before lol i can do it again but im not an amature iv been lifting for 7 years and i have a very strict diet and im very dedicated to my lifting regimen if you really need ill post a pic and stats and stuff i just dont really want to go through the hassle but i will say im not some noob looking for fast easy gains or to maintain a physique just the fastest way possible without effort

He did elude to mention his age .
7 years of lifting can be deceptive .

I recommend waiting until you are injury free and in top health before trying any AAS . Regardless of age .

Good luck
Dont wanna be old

[boxin23]

You do need to fix your PCT....it is lacking.

[Dont wanna be old]

OP says he has a bulging disc .

Do you think using AAS will help that ?

Increased weight and stress on a injured core body part . Bad idea IMO .

[fleck]

my guess would be you would go back and try out more cycles but who knows, It seems like youve got your head screwed on and not jumping straight into a cycle which should be applauded my mate....I dont know where you are from but many where I live in the city just dont care about themselves and jump in at the deep end. I guess your about 24-27 years old am I right?
yeah for sure read up on anavar, heres a chart you should look at..http://www.steroid.com/effect.php
gains from ph's arent really comparable really mosty are just clones of steroids. they are clones of steroids but have similar chemicals replaced with near identical substrates ( i think is the right word)often the replacements are more dangerous to use and can do damage to your body id stay clear of them 95 % are not worth a thing.
ya bro keep up the good work if I were you id keep going, even with your strenth gains until there is no option.ps if you are getting stronger with no size increase then just up your reps,

[bbh90]

my guess would be you would go back and try out more cycles but who knows, It seems like youve got your head screwed on and not jumping straight into a cycle which should be applauded my mate....I dont know where you are from but many where I live in the city just dont care about themselves and jump in at the deep end. I guess your about 24-27 years old am I right?
yeah for sure read up on anavar, heres a chart you should look at..http://www.steroid.com/effect.php
gains from ph's arent really comparable really mosty are just clones of steroids. they are clones of steroids but have similar chemicals replaced with near identical substrates ( i think is the right word)often the replacements are more dangerous to use and can do damage to your body id stay clear of them 95 % are not worth a thing.
ya bro keep up the good work if I were you id keep going, even with your strenth gains until there is no option.ps if you are getting stronger with no size increase then just up your reps,

thanks for the help ya iv been researching how to cycle ph's for a long time but as far as AAS iv been researching how to cycle those more recently i get a little nervous when it comes to them so i think it works to my advantage in not jumping into things im still not totally sure if i even want to do it i believe the gains i want to achieve can be achieved naturally but it would take a long time and i may be becoming somewhat impacient although i think with the right tweaks to diet and exercise i should find myself making gains good enough to feel more comfortable or patient once again this is a progress pic i just took



my abs are actually more visable than that but i only have my comp to take pics with which isnt the best quality but ya i basically like my shape a lot and stuff i just want to gain some more size and then once i do that ill probably cut a little more bodyfat but thats a while from now when i just want to maintain my goal i think since my work out routine consists of lifts in the 4-6 rep range ill try to keep them all at 6 if possible when im not working up with a weight and see if i can gain some more size from that thanks for all the help

EDIT actually i think being more patient and taking time off to rest a little more often would help a lot as well this last weekend i decided to make thurs through sat all cheat days and probably ate 1000 or more cals over what i normally do every day as well as taking 1 extra day of rest and this week i havnt gained any bodyfat but the extra cals and day of rest really made a difference all my lifts are up this week i usually gian each week but its been very noticeable this week iv only dont 2 work outs so far but my front squat is up 10 pounds straight leg dead lifts 20 leg press 20 and then today for arms my DB curls were up 5 pounds for each DB 2 reps for ez bar curls a 2 reps in cable curls then fro tries my DB tri extensions are up 10 pounds as well as rope extensions

so rest could well be a big factor i just get impatient ill ahve to see what happens