help would be nice

[crazycrisler]

I'm thinking about starting a cycle of test. I play baseball and I've heard helps alot with soreness. I also would like to get bigger to. I have my off and on periods of lifting especially when the season comes around. I'm 5'10 weigh about 175 to 180 I really would like to know some do and donts. What kind dosage I should use anything helps. I just want to be more informed on what I'm getting into before I make a decision on what I want.

[bjpennnn]

How old are you?

[DFOSTER]

Profile says 18

[crazycrisler]

I am 18

[Bertuzzi]

Far too young, the potential damage is not not worth it at your age feel free to do some searching on what AAS can do to you at your age but start by reading this: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ids&highlight=

If you suffer joint pain or something try stuff like glucosamine.

Good luck!

[marcus300]

Steriods aren't for you at 18yrs old, don't shut your testosterone down. Head over to the diet section and training section, best of luck

[crazycrisler]

What exactly would be my down fall to using steroids at my age. I have friends who are relatively close to my age who take them. They seem to get big and have no problems. I'm not saying your wrong but inform me I would like yo know. If its stunting my growth I know I'm not getting any tall or growing anymore I had them cray the gaps between my bones about two years ago where they said they could determine how tall I would grow and this is it. Not getting any talker.

[crazycrisler]

Xray*

[marcus300]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.


I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.


I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

Marcus

[marcus300]

AGE

In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.


Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.


Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING

You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.


Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.


Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET

A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.


No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.


This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

[Reed]

Get on some better diet and training. Don't follow the weak that have to use steroids to get strong. Thats pathetic. You think you've put enough work in naturally? Not at 18, get like a college level running back through diet and training harder and stronger. Better work ethic then decide if you wanna take it any further

[crazycrisler]

Someone of my age who lifts and plays ball, what would be the proper diet? When I lift I take Max protein I don't know how much that helps what do you suggest?

[Reed]

The diet section is a good reference point. The info on how to diet for someone who lifts and plays ball is all out there you just gotta start reading and looking for the info

I usually start like this with my diet

Meal 1:
10-15 egg whites
2-3 whole eggs
1 cup of oats
grapefruit

Meal 2:
8-10 oz of chicken breast or LEAN beef
medium large potato
salad
*if Im doing the chicken breat I usually have fish oil and fats

So on and so forth

Now of course you may not eat as much as me but man Im telling its all about eating correctly in order to perform your best. The working out training crazy intense is the fun part (sometimes lol) its the diet that makes all the difference and separates the men from the boys