Need advice - gyno

[Lil-C]

I know this is my first post but I've been following this forum for years.

I have been on andropen 275 and tren e 75mg for 5 weeks now. Ive been taking .3 Ed of liquid dex since the 2nd week because of gyno sides on previous cycles. yesterday I noticed a small lump under my left nip. It's not sore yet but I feel it will be sore soon. I quickly placed an order with the sponsor for liq letro and as soon as I receive it I will start c-bino gyno reversal protocol. Am I on the right track? The liq dex I'm using is prob 1 1/2 years old. It's been stored in a dark place and only opened until recently. I've also bump the liq dex up to .5 Ed since gyno was noticed.

Current cycle: week 1-10 tren e 75
1-14 andropen 275
10-14 winstol 50mg/day
Week 1-10 M/W/F. 1.5 cc of tren .5 of test
Week 10-14. M/W/F. .5 test.
Week. 10-14. Winstol 50mg Ed (alternating oral and injectable)

I have nova and clomid for pct. Going to follow the typ. Protocol.

Stats: 31yr, 165-170lbs not sure, 10%-12% bf, 5'-6". Training 10 years on and off. Past 2 years have been consistent. Diet is clean but I do allow myself cheat days.

Should I take care of the gyno with letro and continue with a maintenance dose until pct or should I treat the gyno with letro and continue with liqdex until pct? I'm worried that the liqdex I'm using may be expired and not as strong as it should be.

[Lil-C]

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[Lil-C]

46 views and no response. Need some advice from the experienced. Thanks

[THE-DET-OAK]

well I have never had gyno, but ive seen alot of guys and followed their threads when using letro to combat it. wether letro or not will help is kind of depends, for some it does, for some it doesnt help reversal. this prolly has to do with how long they let it go for. the right dose will def keep it from progressing.

prolly wouldnt use 18 month oral suspension of anything. I dont think it will hurt but it may have lost some potency.

now what you have to decide is: do you want to hit it hard and crush all estrogen? or do you want to try a lower dose long term therapy first to see if that will help.

If i was gonna smash it, i would hop right on 2.5mg ED. at this dose it is likely estrogen will be non existent in your body, and this cycle might be as fun as it should be.

if i was gonna try a not so harsh approach, I would try 1.25mg EOD, and if my estro crashed drop to that dose E3D and see if i felt good. depending on the dose of T I have used all the way up to 1.25mg EOD without destroying estrogen. many many peopl talk alot about dropping E too low, but we need very very little. I think its talked about more than it actually happens.

tapering down from either of these doses would be wise.

[Lil-C]

Thanks for the response the-det-oak. Yeah I prob should have played it safe and ordered new liqdex prior to my cycle. Tell you the truth I didn't see the shelf life of it to after I had started. Let's see what others have to say and as soon as my order comes in I'll try and take all advice and try and get this gyno under control.

I know the letro will mess with my sex drive but since I'm on test I should be ok, right?.

[THE-DET-OAK]

I know the letro will mess with my sex drive but since I'm on test I should be ok, right?.

that all depends on dosage, or what your E levels are in response to the letro. like i said with high amounts more than like it will crush all estrogen. your just gonna have to find the dose that is right for you, that gives you that happy medium. hopefully others will chime in for you, i was trying to let them do that but after 3 bumps i couldn't resist lol

[lemonada9]

If gyno is the only side you are having, you may want to switch to a SERM. Are you having other ERSE or just the gyno?

[Lil-C]

Really no other sides. The gyno isn't that bad. My nipples are a little puffy from time to time and I feel a lump under the left one. They are a little tender but not that bad. Anyone else have any input as to what lemonada9 is suggesting.

[Matt]

Personally if it were me id be starting nolva at 20mgs daily........

[lemonada9]

Before you took the AI, did you have other sides?

If gyno is the only issue ur having, A SERM would block the E2 receptor on the breast tissue, which would suffocate the gyno (which most likely is estrogen dependent) and shrink the current gyno and protect from further growth due to elevated estrogen.

granted ur current AI could be bunk also, has that amount worked in the past to prevent gyno? if so stay there, but if its a new thing ur trying, might wanna look into a SERM.

Just noticed this, why r u running ur tren so low? (i think? kinda confused on mg/week ur taking)

[Lil-C]

This is the first cycle I've included a AI. Last cycle I did was about 18 months ago and that's when I noticed the gyno for the fist time. It was toward the end of the cycle so pct sort of took care of it. Since then it had went away up into recently. (5 weeks into my cycle) I was trying to prevent it but looks l didn't.
So I should drop the liqdex and take nova 20mg/day. Would this be till the gyno
Subsided or until the start of pct?
Lemonada9 I'm taking 4.5 cc of tren per week @ 75mg/cc approx 340mg/wk. I might bump it up a little but I'm feeling real good right now. Only sides I'm having is night sweats and insomnia. Nothing a little melatonin can't handle.

[Lil-C]

Anyone else want to add their 2 cents

Thanks in advance