Cycle Review - Any help appreciated

[marcobor]

Hello everyone.

I'm 27 yrs old, 1,75cm tall, 87kg and 10%bf. I have been lifting weights for about 7 years and have been incorporating cycles in the last two. This will be my 4th cycle, and would like to read everyone's comments and reviews about it so that I can correct any holes in my planning or simply learn an extra thing or two.

Thank you all for your time.

My goals are to gain lean mass without holding too much excess fat or water retention by the end. Not trying to maximize mass gain to the extreme by eating like a maniac, but trying to gain some decent and clean, hard weight. Total cycle length will be 18 weeks, which includes the time off and PCT. Training 4 times a week, a 5th time if work allows it.

The cycle will consist of: Test Cyp / Sustanon 250, Primobolan, Anavar and Proviron.

Test Cyp 400mg EW Weeks 1~3
Sustanon250 500mg EW Weeks 4~12
Primobalan 200mg EW Weeks 1~12
Anavar 30mg ED Weeks 1~12
Proviron 50mg ED Weeks 3~12

2 Weeks OFF

PCT will consist of: HCG, Clomid, Nolva, HHP TBomb II (prohormones)

HCG 5000iu Week 15, 500iu ED Weeks 16~17
Clomid 100mg ED Weeks 15~16, 50mg Weeks 17~18
Nolva 20mg ED Weeks 15~18
TBombII 1 serving ED Weeks 15~18

I started out with Cyp and then jumped to Sustanon because my contact fell short on about 3 weeks supply of sustanon, hence I'm starting off with the Cyp I had in hand to compensate for the first 3 weeks.

I'm taking the proviron in order to fight some of the bloat and also to harden up a bit. I know arimidex works better for the water retention, but I wasn't able to get my hands on any in the market I'm in. It is also twice as expensive as proviron here. I can get my hands on aromasin if anyone recommends it'll work better.

I'm taking Protein shakes, glutamine, bcaas and multivitamins, along with milk thistle to aid any liver toxicity during this time.

Diet is pretty clean, which include 3 meals and 2 snacks.

Workout are Day1 Chest, Day2 Back, Day 3 Shoulders&Legs, Day 4 Arms.

PCT is based on the amount and period of test & primo used. HCG seems a bit long, maybe 2 weeks is enough? I'm doing 3 weeks simply because my last cycle I did not react much to it, meaning that testicular regrowth still took a bit longer. About 2 to 3 months for full recovery it felt.

Thanks again for taking your time to read this post. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. Constructive criticism always welcome.

Peace.

[stpete]

OK...Let's start from the beginning. What were your other cycles? Let's start there so i (we) have a better understanding of your past. Please include PCT and time off.

Thanks..

But just in case you choose not to answer, your PCT is way off. Needs a lot of work imo..

[marcobor]

Hey stpete.

1st cycle was Test Cyp & Dbol for 8 weeks. I believe it was 600mg of test and I believe about 40mg of Dbol. PCT was HCG 5000iu 2 weeks later and clomid I believe it was 50mg ed for 2 weeks. I can't remember completely, was the very first. Gained about 8kg, kept 3.

2nd cycle was for the summer. 8 weeks Tren, Winstrol, Proviron.

Tren 100mg EOD Weeks 1~8
Winstrol can't recall...
Proviron 25mg Weeks 1~8

Can't remember the PCT, but it was only Nolva.

3rd cycle was a Sustanon250, Anavar and HGH cycle,

Sustanon250 500mg Weeks 1~12
Anavar 40mg Weeks 1~12
HGH 4ius ED week 1, 5ius ED week 2, 6ius Ed weeks 3~16 (additional 4 weeks, i was told it helped recover)

2 Weeks Off

PCT included HCG 5000ius Week15, 2500ius Week16
Clomid 50mg ED weeks 15~17.

Gained 9kg from this cycle, kept about 4.5.

Can you elaborate on your thoughts why my PCT is off? I know that everyone reacts differently and require different dosages for different periods, but let me know what your thoughts are and how you would design it for yourself if you were on the same cycle. PCT is always the hardest for me to get right...

Thanks again for the reply.

[stpete]

Let me get right back bro...i know you see me on here...I have to go get my daughter...Don't want you to think i'm keeping you hanging...be back soon.

[stpete]

Damn...Just spent 15 minutes responding and it tells me that my response is too short. Please lengthen to at least 4 characters. Not sure what that's all about but it pisses me off!!

Ok...your syp and sust is fine as test is test, but i'd rather keep it at 500mgs.
Primo is a waste imo @ those dosages..And why anyway?
Anavar is good but i'd save it for 6-12 @ 60mgs ed.

Your Clomid and Nolva dosages are good but they need to start @ week 14 and lasting 4 weeks.
HCG is to be used 250iu every 3rd day during cycle. Not during PCT. This is highly debated though. I suggest you check out Swifto's PCT thread. Swifto is the man when it comes to that and much more.

Post your diet in the Nutrition Section for GBrice, Baseline and Slimmer to critique. Without a solid diet it's all for not.

Good Luck to you...Keep us posted...

[streeter]

Ummm correct me if I'm wrong but the amount of HCG stood out to me like a sore thumb. Isn't that way to high? I always thought the rule of thumb with HCG was 250mg twice a week

[marcobor]

stpete: I guess I was looking for a little density to my planning, which is why i went with the primo. Do you think it might be a good idea to condense the primo the way you suggested condensing the anavar for the last 6 weeks? Also, wouldn't it be better to start all the pct in 3 weeks given sustanon's time to clear out of the body? Thanks for the feedback dude.

streeter: how much is 250mg in iu?