Interesting Situation

[collegekid]

Hey guys, thanks in advance for the help. I've been looking on the forum for weeks now, but I still can't find the answer to my question. About 4 years ago, although I was (and still am) an avid lifter, I was that guy who you could give shit to and I would eat if if you told me it would make me stronger. Well I was an idiot and had anadrol, var, winny, and novladex. I took the drol the first 2 weeks, then on the second week I added the var, and by weeks 3 and 4 I was taking drol winny and var all at the same time. I know-ridiculous,insanse, retarded, etc. etc. I'm completely aware of how much of an idiot I was. After that experience, I actually did some reserach and confirmed even to a further extent how much of a moron I was. However, my question isn't about that really, it's about the chance that those were fake. In that month, I didn't notice a single pound of weight gained, and I didn't gain any stength or lose any after I was done cycling. Furthermore, what I had were all in capsules. The drol was green, the winny bright yellow, the var bright red, and the nolv was grayish brown. A buddy of mine took the so called var for more than a month and didn't notice anything at all. Also, the same guy that sold us the stuff also sold someone else fake decca. It was literally vegetable oil. Everything that I had was oral, and the guy gave it to us in plastic baggies. Thoughts? Thanks agian.

[DanB]

if its caps then anything could be in it?

was that your question?

[gixxerboy1]

whats the question

[collegekid]

wow. guess i'm so flustered i forgot to ask it. I'm just thinking they were absolutely fake. Wondering what everyone thoughts are. I feel like if they were real I would have at least felt something.

[DanB]

yeah they were prob fake

general rule dont buy caps unless you trust your source

[songdog]

You got scammed leave it at that.

[auswest]

4 years ago....... what is the point of this question, yes you got gyped, no, no one knows what it was.

[collegekid]

point is that I've gotta take a polygraph about drug use in a few weeks.. just wanted to be sure of myself

[slfmade]

You're 22 now...so 4 years ago you where 18. Look on the bright side....it wasn't real!!!! Cause if it had been real, there's a good chance you would've fvcked yourself up for life. You were then and still are to young for aas. You didn't even have a proper pct!!! I would look at it as a blessing if I were you.

[collegekid]

Haha tell me about it. Like I said-I've educated myself and haven't tried touching the stuff since and I won't for quite some time. Thanks for the time guys

[AD]

be assured. those were fakes. so you can safely and calmly answer during your polygraph that you never took drugs. and thats the truth. dont be nervous.

[collegekid]

Hope so. Still nervous as hell for some reason. Thanks again

[songdog]

But the problem is you thought you did.That could effect the out come.Good luck.

[kelkel]

That will effect the outcome^^^. Most jobs don't expect people to be perfect but if you get caught lying you have no chance at all. It will go toward your character far more than one past indescretion.

[collegekid]

Yeah I'm aware of that... I was thinking of telling the polygrapher the story beforehand but I dunno if that would help things or I'd just get grilled more about it.

[collegekid]

I mean all the evidence supports that they were fake, even my own personal experience. For some reason I'm just feeling guilty about something I really shouldn't be. Luckily the poly isn't for a job, but it'd still be awful if I didn't pass... It's for a natty BB show

[10nispro]

do you know anyone else that has taken the same polygraph test to see how they word the question?

[collegekid]

I know people that have taken similar ones, and they said that they start most of the questions with, "To the best of your knowledge.." or something. I'm hoping that might work in my favor a little.

[AD]

i remember when i was in college, i used to be an expert in lying. lie to chicks about other chicks, lie to lecturers about work, lie to guys to steal their work... i am sure you can figure something out.

[Honkey_Kong]

Dude, polygraphs are total bullshit. The guy giving the test and the machine are playing "good cop/bad cop" with you. There is a reason polygraphs aren't admissible as evidence. Just relax in there and no matter how much the guy administering the test tries to get a confession out of you, don't give him one.

Keep your responses short and simple and don't volunteer information or back stories. The more you say, the easier it is to be trapped in a lie.

Another thing you could do is intentionally cut or burn yourself on the bottom of your foot. Then when he asks you a question, you can put weight on the wound to cause pain. It'll throw his test off.

You should watch the Penn and Teller episode on polygraphs.

[jasc]

So you're thinking of admitting you took it but it was fake so it doesn't count? c'mon man..

like HK said, polygraphs are a joke. I have a close friend who's a cop and administers polygraphs to potential hires. Even he says they are unreliable n don't work for sh*t.. they just use it as an excuse to not hire if they need one or catch people dumb enough to admit to illegal activity.. the actual results don't prove anything

[Honkey_Kong]

So you're thinking of admitting you took it but it was fake so it doesn't count? c'mon man..

like HK said, polygraphs are a joke. I have a close friend who's a cop and administers polygraphs to potential hires. Even he says they are unreliable n don't work for sh*t.. they just use it as an excuse to not hire if they need one or catch people dumb enough to admit to illegal activity.. the actual results don't prove anything

Even if you acted as nervous as a hooker in church when the guy giving you the test asks about your drug use, he still can't prove you did it. The test is just there so they can have their competition and when they get heat from the press can be like "well, we tried."

Just remember Jeffrey Dahmer passed a lie detector test.

[FCVtec]

Dude, if you had real var winni and adrol there's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you wouldn't have noticed anything. The adrol alone woulda made you gained weight almost instantly. You can FOR SURE say you never took roids without a doubt. Not to mention your source was a scammer like you said he sold fake deca as well..... The most you got in those capsules was bcaa, amino acids or whatever he choose to fill the fake capsules with.

[boxin23]

So you're thinking of admitting you took it but it was fake so it doesn't count? c'mon man..

like HK said, polygraphs are a joke. I have a close friend who's a cop and administers polygraphs to potential hires. Even he says they are unreliable n don't work for sh*t.. they just use it as an excuse to not hire if they need one or catch people dumb enough to admit to illegal activity.. the actual results don't prove anything

I disagree with you on this one jasc. I have a lot of DOD friends and while a cop is no expert in polygraphs, the FBI and DOD and other well trained agencies have the best personnel and equipment available. We have to get clearance for certain things in my line of work and believe me the outcome of the polygraph in the right hands is unbelievably accurate.

As someone else stated you should tell the truth about being a stupid 18 year old kid and be honest that it was fake. Even if you are completely calm and try to lie it will come out suspicious and you will be caught lying or at least trying to deceive them. They will probably laugh at the truth and write it off as you being a dumb kid.

[jasc]

I disagree with you on this one jasc. I have a lot of DOD friends and while a cop is no expert in polygraphs, the FBI and DOD and other well trained agencies have the best personnel and equipment available. We have to get clearance for certain things in my line of work and believe me the outcome of the polygraph in the right hands is unbelievably accurate.

As someone else stated you should tell the truth about being a stupid 18 year old kid and be honest that it was fake. Even if you are completely calm and try to lie it will come out suspicious and you will be caught lying or at least trying to deceive them. They will probably laugh at the truth and write it off as you being a dumb kid.

I was stating what my friend who's a cop with the Dallas PD told me. I'm sure top government experts are better at administering these, but this is no DOD job, he's doing it for a BB competition.

[SG2009]

^^agreed

[boxin23]

I was stating what my friend who's a cop with the Dallas PD told me. I'm sure top government experts are better at administering these, but this is no DOD job, he's doing it for a BB competition.

Haha....missed the part in his post about the BB part of it. In that case the whole song and dance about "they were fake" would probably not carry weight with whoever is testing you. And yes there are ways to screw up the test.

[bigbrock93]

Stay away from anything with caffeine in it before taking the test, it can cause false results, like other people said LD are a joke, tell yourself there's nothing for them to "figure out" because there's nothing you're hiding and you'll be fine, but either way good luck and don't get nervous

[collegekid]

yeah I think I'll prob just wind up doing that ^. I mean if I they were fake I really didn't take anything, so I don't have anything to worry about really

[collegekid]

as for stayin away from the caffeine, I have to take the test the night before the competition, so who knows what kind of state i'll be in. Haha guess I'll just hope for the best. Also, I talked to the promoter the other day and he said that if they were fakes not to worry about it, so I mean if the promoter said I was good to go I really shouldn't have anything to worry about. That's what makes me think it's a good idea to tell the polygrapher before the test what happened.. and if he has to say anything about it I'd just let him know the promoter gave me the go-ahead.

[boxin23]

as for stayin away from the caffeine, I have to take the test the night before the competition, so who knows what kind of state i'll be in. Haha guess I'll just hope for the best. Also, I talked to the promoter the other day and he said that if they were fakes not to worry about it, so I mean if the promoter said I was good to go I really shouldn't have anything to worry about. That's what makes me think it's a good idea to tell the polygrapher before the test what happened.. and if he has to say anything about it I'd just let him know the promoter gave me the go-ahead.

X2.....that was my original advice....be honest up front

[collegekid]

just asked a few people about their polys... apparently they aren't very legit at all. THey only take about 15 mins to administer, and they don't go over the questions with you or give you a chance to explain anything before you're all strapped in. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. I'm just going to go in with the thought that they were bunk, unfortunately and fortunately for me lol. On a side note, I realize this is an equally ridiculous question, but what's the typical timeframe for people to notice effets/side effects from the stuff I mentioned? I know everyone is different, and it depends on dosage and other compounds and what not, this is more of just a way for me to reassure myself that I just had bunk gear.

[sleepingz]

best of luck with the actual competiion dude, remember, honestly, the best of your knowledg you have not taken any steroids, im by no means walking pill identifier but you can make your said pills at home with a kit, you ar good man, dont let it bothe you! :-)

[collegekid]

Thanks, I'll post some pics afterwords

[< <Samson> >]

The coworker at my last job was a ex cop. I asked him a lot of questions about this shit. He said you can lie as much as you want on a polygraph. I said BS, he said: look if it was accurate, they would use it in court. I know the shit he did he passed just fine. I forgot which one exactly, but a few serial killers passed theirs just fine and they were 100% guilty and convicted.

You can also fail even if you are not guilty.

I looked into this quite a bit when I was considering a career in a LE department.

[collegekid]

Thanks for the input. I guess the whole test isn't supposed to take more than 15 mins anyway, so right there is evidence enough it's nothing too serious to worry about. IT can't be a legit test if there's no preexamination or anything, and that's been proved time and time again. Regardless, I don't think I took anything, so I should be just fine.