Estrogen is too high after PCT

[Peter1984]

After finishing PCT...doing HCG and Nolvadex....my estrogen is still too high. What is the best plan of attack. I had a blood test today, but haven't received the results yet.

[Bio-Active]

How do you know your estrogen is still high? What exactly was your pct you ran?

[Peter1984]

I'm just noticing I'm looking puffy and bloated, not losing weight...just don't feel right.
I got my blood work done today so should get the results soon.
I did 12wks of Test/Winstrol...started to do PCT with Clomid and Nolvadex for 3wks, then I was going to do another show, so I started up again doing a blend of Test Prop/Tren/Masteron, then once that was finished I switched to Tren Acetate and Test Prop....that cycle was only about 6-8wks....after which I was stuck without a connection for PCT....had no other AAS left, so literally I was stuck for several weeks without anything, then tried almost a month of peptide versions of Clomid and Nolvadex but that did nothing, then off a few more weeks with nothing, then had a connection for one bottle of HCG and 10 days of Clomid.
After that I still didn't feel right....so found another connection for 2 btls of HCG and 2 wks of Nolvadex. Since that I haven't done anything. It's been about 6 wks now.
I still don't feel right... I know it was a constant up and down and my body is totally out of whack.

Would taking something like an AI such as Arimidex or Letro work? Or would taking another round of Clomid/Nolvadex work?
I don't think its a matter of my natural test starting back up, I think its more an increase of Estrogen for some reason. If any of that makes sense?

[kelkel]

I'm just noticing I'm looking puffy and bloated, not losing weight...just don't feel right.
I got my blood work done today so should get the results soon.
I did 12wks of Test/Winstrol...started to do PCT with Clomid and Nolvadex for 3wks, then I was going to do another show, so I started up again doing a blend of Test Prop/Tren/Masteron, then once that was finished I switched to Tren Acetate and Test Prop....that cycle was only about 6-8wks....after which I was stuck without a connection for PCT....had no other AAS left, so literally I was stuck for several weeks without anything, then tried almost a month of peptide versions of Clomid and Nolvadex but that did nothing, then off a few more weeks with nothing, then had a connection for one bottle of HCG and 10 days of Clomid.
After that I still didn't feel right....so found another connection for 2 btls of HCG and 2 wks of Nolvadex. Since that I haven't done anything. It's been about 6 wks now.
I still don't feel right... I know it was a constant up and down and my body is totally out of whack.

Would taking something like an AI such as Arimidex or Letro work? Or would taking another round of Clomid/Nolvadex work?
I don't think its a matter of my natural test starting back up, I think its more an increase of Estrogen for some reason. If any of that makes sense?

Your body has got to be in total chaos. Wait until you get BW in hand, post it here and let us take a look before you try something else.

[Bio-Active]

Your body has got to be in total chaos. Wait until you get BW in hand, post it here and let us take a look before you try something else.

i agree with Kel you need labs anything else is just guessing.

[Peter1984]

Yes it is in total chaos! Mentally I'm in total chaos trying to figure it all out too haha....ok I'll post the blood work.
In the meantime I don't want to train, diet, cardio...just seems pointless cause I can't looks weight due to my hormones
I'll let you know as soon as I get the results of the BW. Thank you for the help!

[Bio-Active]

Yes it is in total chaos! Mentally I'm in total chaos trying to figure it all out too haha....ok I'll post the blood work.
In the meantime I don't want to train, diet, cardio...just seems pointless cause I can't looks weight due to my hormones
I'll let you know as soon as I get the results of the BW. Thank you for the help!

Stay mentally focused, train and eat right it's very important right now. Focus on the compound movements in the gym, get in and out in 39-45 minutes max

[NaijaBoy]

What was the length between all 3 cycles listed in your original post?
Post your BW when they arrive.
You might have to be placed on a longer PCT

[Peter1984]

What was the length between all 3 cycles listed in your original post? Post your BW when they arrive. You might have to be placed on a longer PCT

First cycle there was maybe 3-4 weeks, then after the second cycle it was cut short due to lack of supply, then a few weeks without anything, then back on....

[bass]

I am confused! did you run hCG in one of your PCT?

[Peter1984]

Yes I ran HCG twice...first time I did it for like 2wks along with Clomid for about 10 days....don't think it was long enough though...then like 2 months later did it again for about a month along with Nolvadex.

For some reason, I still don't feel right

[kelkel]

Never run HCG with SERMS.

[SilverTest]

how much did you dose the HCG? i bet your estrogen is high from the HCG and its shutting you down. post your bloodwork when u get it.

[Bio-Active]

Your going to have to give your body some time to recover now. You have run hcg during your pct which is going to elevate estrogen levels and keep lh suppressed. Giving your self time to recover with follow up lab work is going to give you the info needed to move forward. Moving forward hcg is better used during your cycle to maintain testicular function and serms only for pct. Using an ai during your cycle as well will keep circulating estrogen lower

[Peter1984]

Your going to have to give your body some time to recover now. You have run hcg during your pct which is going to elevate estrogen levels and keep lh suppressed. Giving your self time to recover with follow up lab work is going to give you the info needed to move forward. Moving forward hcg is better used during your cycle to maintain testicular function and serms only for pct. Using an ai during your cycle as well will keep circulating estrogen lower

Thanks for the continued help Jim

[Bio-Active]

Keep us posted buddy

[Peter1984]

Keep us posted buddy

So if more than likely my estrogen is in fact too high...what would be the right protocol? Nolvadex and Clomid? Or something like Arimidex?

[Bio-Active]

So if more than likely my estrogen is in fact too high...what would be the right protocol? Nolvadex and Clomid? Or something like Arimidex?

only if you are on cycle. After you have ended your cycle and your estrogen is in check you need to let your body balance out

[Peter1984]

only if you are on cycle. After you have ended your cycle and your estrogen is in check you need to let your body balance out

So being off cycle, if my estrogen is still out of whack...there's nothing I can do?

[Bio-Active]

So being off cycle, if my estrogen is still out of whack...there's nothing I can do?

no there are options such as an AI but most the time off cycle if your estrogen is high it's either because the body hasn't had sufficient time to recover or that estrogen was not managed during your cycle. Once testosterone levels drop estrogen levels will drop as well because there is not the circulating testosterone to aromatize anymore

[Peter1984]

no there are options such as an AI but most the time off cycle if your estrogen is high it's either because the body hasn't had sufficient time to recover or that estrogen was not managed during your cycle. Once testosterone levels drop estrogen levels will drop as well because there is not the circulating testosterone to aromatize anymore

So what is best to do typically in that situation? Would getting something like Dim help? Or do I just wait it out?

During my cycles I never took an AI or HCG...

[Bio-Active]

You need to give your body some time. Your estrogen was probably high coming of cycle and then you t levels dropped. How long ago did you run labs?

[Peter1984]

You need to give your body some time. Your estrogen was probably high coming of cycle and then you t levels dropped. How long ago did you run labs?

I had my BW done on the 23rd so I'm waiting to hear back. Should know by the 7th

[Bio-Active]

I had my BW done on the 23rd so I'm waiting to hear back. Should know by the 7th

how long had you been done with pct when you ran the bloodwork?

[Peter1984]

how long had you been done with pct when you ran the bloodwork?

Definitely a good 6-8 wks

[Peter1984]

how long had you been done with pct when you ran the bloodwork?

Is Dim something that could help?

[Bio-Active]

Definitely a good 6-8 wks

Give it another 6 weeks.

[Peter1984]

Give it another 6 weeks.

Give what another 6-8wks?
Right now the only things I'm taking is Trubulus, Zinc and Vit D...supposedly all natural test boosters

[Bio-Active]

Give what another 6-8wks? Right now the only things I'm taking is Trubulus, Zinc and Vit D...supposedly all natural test boosters

i am saying if you are not happy with the labs you recently ran I would give your body more time and run labs again before attempting to add meds. Hopefully your e has dropped down

[Peter1984]

i am saying if you are not happy with the labs you recently ran I would give your body more time and run labs again before attempting to add meds. Hopefully your e has dropped down

I'll find out in a week. Hard to tell, I know due to holiday eating I'm bloated lol
But I'm starting my prep for a show too...so hopefully I'm good to go. If I do anything further a long in my prep I'll probably just do Winstrol/Anavar...then pct with Clomid and Nolvadex. But for right now just want to make sure I'm even able to loose weight. I know if my hormones are out of whack it'll make it difficult

[Bio-Active]

Winstrol or anavar with test as a base?

[Peter1984]

Winstrol or anavar with test as a base?

Do I need to do Test? I saw on this site an "oral cycle" and it just included Winstrol/Anavar and Clomid/Nolvadex as PCT

[Bio-Active]

Do I need to do Test? I saw on this site an "oral cycle" and it just included Winstrol/Anavar and Clomid/Nolvadex as PCT

any cycle run needs to have test as a base or you will end up with symptoms of low t.

[kelkel]

I'd worry about getting yourself straightened out first, not about a show. Your health is more important. There's always another show.

[Peter1984]

I'd worry about getting yourself straightened out first, not about a show. Your health is more important. There's always another show.

I agree! That's why I'm just letting this take its course...if I'm ready in time for March, great, if not...then like you said there are always more shows.

[Bio-Active]

I agree! That's why I'm just letting this take its course...if I'm ready in time for March, great, if not...then like you said there are always more shows.

very smart! Nothing is more important than your health

[Peter1984]

Here are the results from my recent blood work!!!

[sploosh]

Here are the results from my recent blood work!!!

Were you able to get yourself sorted out? I am having similar problems. Low T and high Est. Just got my bloodwork back and they are similar to the ones you posted. I'm thinking of going on some Anastrozole. What worked for you?

cheers