Any Thoughts on Cycle?

[Family_guy]

So I’ve been out of the gym for at least a year. Body weight hasn’t changed much but body composition has certainly changed for the worse. Right around 175 at 5’9. Hardly fat but by my skinny boy standards I don’t like this “belly” I have. I’ll post pics.

Goals-I would like to lean up a bit and get back to looking how I did in my profile pic lmao! I think I will need to lose 5% bf and gain 10lbs of muscle to do so. I don’t want to “bloat up” as much as I did in the past when I was on decent dose of test plus dbol.

Spent last 30 days in county jail with no access to weights but did body weight exercises pretty consistently but nothing intense by any means.

Diet-I will review my old notes to establish a strict diet based off what worked in the past.(keeping detailed notes of diet, cycle, and training plus progress pics pays dividends. Can’t recommend it highly enough especially when starting new cycles with new compounds.) Years ago I had to force feed as much chicken and rice as I could to eat around 4,500 calories clean a day. Got me from 145 to 175 Fairly lean but I’m older now and not as physically active with work, etc. planning on going higher protein than before and less carbs. Lower overall calories as well until I see how my body is reacting.

Important Notes-Got gyno from Deca years ago so that’s off th table. Didn’t like how it made me look or feel either. Don’t want E2 to go sky high to mitigate gyno issues(treated with nolva right away and it’s been “gone” ever since. Otherwise no compounds off the table except Primo cuz that’s big bucks! Lol


Proposed cycle-

Weeks 1-12
Test Cyp-300mg
EQ-600mg

Weeks 1-6
Dbol 25mg daily preworkout(fucking love dbol so this guaranteed to be in my cycle but welcome to ideas on dose/duration although I don’t have any plans on changing it)

Weeks 6-12
Anavar/Tbol?
12.5mg/25mg daily
I want to use one or the other. Haven’t used either one before. So this one I’m especially welcome to thoughts on.

Hcg?? Not sure on this being necessary. Ran with and without before. Didn’t like my nuts disappearing…also want another child in the not too distant future. Shit idk why I’m uncertain lol I just talked my self into running it during cycle. Open to thoughts of course though.

Well hopefully I didn’t forget anything but I’m sure I did. Open to any thoughts or ideas or anything you guys got.

[Family_guy]

Lmfao you fuckers better do the poll too! That shits cracking me up! I’m a genius. Hahahhaha

And I came up with it without my wife’s help at all!

[Family_guy]

Ohh and I will be cruising after this cycle. Either that or I will pursue TRT from my dr. I already started that process years ago so I have blood work done with my dr etc.

I don’t have any intention of coming off for the foreseeable future but that can always change.

[SampsonandDelilah]

So I’ve been out of the gym for at least a year. Body weight hasn’t changed much but body composition has certainly changed for the worse. Right around 175 at 5’9. Hardly fat but by my skinny boy standards I don’t like this “belly” I have. I’ll post pics.

Goals-I would like to lean up a bit and get back to looking how I did in my profile pic lmao! I think I will need to lose 5% bf and gain 10lbs of muscle to do so. I don’t want to “bloat up” as much as I did in the past when I was on decent dose of test plus dbol.

Spent last 30 days in county jail with no access to weights but did body weight exercises pretty consistently but nothing intense by any means.

Diet-I will review my old notes to establish a strict diet based off what worked in the past.(keeping detailed notes of diet, cycle, and training plus progress pics pays dividends. Can’t recommend it highly enough especially when starting new cycles with new compounds.) Years ago I had to force feed as much chicken and rice as I could to eat around 4,500 calories clean a day. Got me from 145 to 175 Fairly lean but I’m older now and not as physically active with work, etc. planning on going higher protein than before and less carbs. Lower overall calories as well until I see how my body is reacting.

Important Notes-Got gyno from Deca years ago so that’s off th table. Didn’t like how it made me look or feel either. Don’t want E2 to go sky high to mitigate gyno issues(treated with nolva right away and it’s been “gone” ever since. Otherwise no compounds off the table except Primo cuz that’s big bucks! Lol


Proposed cycle-

Weeks 1-12
Test Cyp-300mg
EQ-600mg

Weeks 1-6
Dbol 25mg daily preworkout(fucking love dbol so this guaranteed to be in my cycle but welcome to ideas on dose/duration although I don’t have any plans on changing it)

Weeks 6-12
Anavar/Tbol?
12.5mg/25mg daily
I want to use one or the other. Haven’t used either one before. So this one I’m especially welcome to thoughts on.

Hcg?? Not sure on this being necessary. Ran with and without before. Didn’t like my nuts disappearing…also want another child in the not too distant future. Shit idk why I’m uncertain lol I just talked my self into running it during cycle. Open to thoughts of course though.

Well hopefully I didn’t forget anything but I’m sure I did. Open to any thoughts or ideas or anything you guys got.

When was your last full cycle?

The avi is all you bro, don’t fix what isn’t broken

[Cylon357]

Tbol causes me acid reflux, even at like 10mg per day.

Deca gyno was from prolactin? P5P and Vitamin E, I think, can provide some control.

Have you run any of the DHT compounds like masteron? I was going to say "or primo" but nevermind. Lol

I use HCG perpetually in my trt as a "just in case" element. If you decide to trt, I would keep it in and use in cycle. Peep HMG if you decide you want another kid, but read up on timing your doses because that shit is expensive!

Proviron at 25mg per day keeps my estrogen in control, though I'm not using atm. It also binds pretty well to shbg, which can bring up dht. Anavar does the similar for me but it also seems to bring a bit of insomnia.

12 weeks of orals seems like a lot (that's what she said). Any liver protection planned?

Random thoughts ATM, and worth every penny you paid lol

[Family_guy]

When was your last full cycle?

The avi is all you bro, don’t fix what isn’t broken

Last cycle-in 2021
400mgs Deca, 500 test e, 80mgs Tren for about 12 weeks. First 6 weeks I also used Test prop at 100mgs/week and lowered the Test e to 400mg.

Wow looking back that seems like so much gear. But I was really committed 100%.

Maybe I don’t even need to go that high on my injectables for this cycle. Maybe more like 225mg test and 450 EQ. Or less even. I just remember the one time I used EQ before I wished I had run it at a higher dose cuz I thought it was “weak” at the time but in retrospect I determined I determined I should have used a higher dose. I believe I only used like 250mg EQ in addition to 400 mg test for that cycle.

[Family_guy]

Tbol causes me acid reflux, even at like 10mg per day.

Deca gyno was from prolactin? P5P and Vitamin E, I think, can provide some control.

Have you run any of the DHT compounds like masteron? I was going to say "or primo" but nevermind. Lol

I use HCG perpetually in my trt as a "just in case" element. If you decide to trt, I would keep it in and use in cycle. Peep HMG if you decide you want another kid, but read up on timing your doses because that shit is expensive!

Proviron at 25mg per day keeps my estrogen in control, though I'm not using atm. It also binds pretty well to shbg, which can bring up dht. Anavar does the similar for me but it also seems to bring a bit of insomnia.

12 weeks of orals seems like a lot (that's what she said). Any liver protection planned?

Random thoughts ATM, and worth every penny you paid lol

Ya it is a long cycle of orals. I’m basing it off my second cycle when I ran dbol at like 10mgs a day as a preworkout for 10 weeks. I got bloods mid cycle and my liver enzymes weren’t elevated outside of the range. I don’t drink any alcohol and never have so apparently my liver is working good so far lol

Oh ya Masteron was the other one I couldn’t run. It made my prostate swell up like a mofo. Couldn’t pee without straining to save my life!

[Family_guy]

Tbol causes me acid reflux, even at like 10mg per day.

Deca gyno was from prolactin? P5P and Vitamin E, I think, can provide some control.

Have you run any of the DHT compounds like masteron? I was going to say "or primo" but nevermind. Lol

I use HCG perpetually in my trt as a "just in case" element. If you decide to trt, I would keep it in and use in cycle. Peep HMG if you decide you want another kid, but read up on timing your doses because that shit is expensive!

Proviron at 25mg per day keeps my estrogen in control, though I'm not using atm. It also binds pretty well to shbg, which can bring up dht. Anavar does the similar for me but it also seems to bring a bit of insomnia.

12 weeks of orals seems like a lot (that's what she said). Any liver protection planned?

Random thoughts ATM, and worth every penny you paid lol

And yes I’m guessing since I was running two 19nors simultaneously it was elevated prolactin that caused the gyno. But Deca also made me retain quite a lot of water. More than dbol even.

[Family_guy]

Tbol causes me acid reflux, even at like 10mg per day.

Deca gyno was from prolactin? P5P and Vitamin E, I think, can provide some control.

Have you run any of the DHT compounds like masteron? I was going to say "or primo" but nevermind. Lol

I use HCG perpetually in my trt as a "just in case" element. If you decide to trt, I would keep it in and use in cycle. Peep HMG if you decide you want another kid, but read up on timing your doses because that shit is expensive!

Proviron at 25mg per day keeps my estrogen in control, though I'm not using atm. It also binds pretty well to shbg, which can bring up dht. Anavar does the similar for me but it also seems to bring a bit of insomnia.

12 weeks of orals seems like a lot (that's what she said). Any liver protection planned?

Random thoughts ATM, and worth every penny you paid lol

Thanks for the thoughts on HMG also. I mean I’m not ready yet until my life’s in better order but it’s in my plans for the future. So I’ll keep it in mind.

I’m open to suggestions on liver protection. I used NAC in the past though on cycle. Idk if it helped but my liver enzymes were good like I said so it couldn’t have hurt!

How did you like the Tbol other than acid reflux?

[SampsonandDelilah]

Last cycle-in 2021
400mgs Deca, 500 test e, 80mgs Tren for about 12 weeks. First 6 weeks I also used Test prop at 100mgs/week and lowered the Test e to 400mg.

Wow looking back that seems like so much gear. But I was really committed 100%.

Maybe I don’t even need to go that high on my injectables for this cycle. Maybe more like 225mg test and 450 EQ. Or less even. I just remember the one time I used EQ before I wished I had run it at a higher dose cuz I thought it was “weak” at the time but in retrospect I determined I determined I should have used a higher dose. I believe I only used like 250mg EQ in addition to 400 mg test for that cycle.

Are you sold on EQ? It’s the one roid I don’t have any real experience with other than what I’ve gathered here over the years. Sounds like you’ve had some positives with it?

I think you keep it simple brother and run something until you get your base back and getting everything else sorted out. If you’re moving to TRT, you won’t need the recovery time in between and you can pick up quicker. I’m a fan of longer runs that are sustainable and not dependent upon recovery…as you know the longer you stay on, the tougher it is to PCT. Since you’re running TRT, longer and slower/simpler may be a better option especially with the recent time off

[Family_guy]

Are you sold on EQ? It’s the one roid I don’t have any real experience with other than what I’ve gathered here over the years. Sounds like you’ve had some positives with it?

I think you keep it simple brother and run something until you get your base back and getting everything else sorted out. If you’re moving to TRT, you won’t need the recovery time in between and you can pick up quicker. I’m a fan of longer runs that are sustainable and not dependent upon recovery…as you know the longer you stay on, the tougher it is to PCT. Since you’re running TRT, longer and slower/simpler may be a better option especially with the recent time off

I mean I’m not sold on EQ but ya I liked how I responded to it. It was like Test without the water retention.

Ya you’re right though on keeping it simple. It’s been a long time since I was in the gym consistently and I know I’ll respond well to the gear after pretty much being off for a while now.

I think I’ll wait on the other oral and just run the dbol, Test and EQ

[wellshii]

So you have been off the gym for a whole year and want to do a gram worth of gear right off the bat?
Personally I would work out for a while either off gear or at a an “Optimal TRT “ dose so muscle memory can do its thing.
Then do the cycle.
Or at just test alone at 300-500. Again thats me.

[SampsonandDelilah]

So you have been off the gym for a whole year and want to do a gran worth of gear right off the bat?
Personally I would work out for a while either off gear or at a an “Optimal TRT “ dose so muscle memory can do its thing.
Then do the cycle.
Or at just test alone at 300-500. Again thats me.

Tend to agree but you know yourself and I trust in that. You know what your body can and can’t do

[Family_guy]

So you have been off the gym for a whole year and want to do a gram worth of gear right off the bat?
Personally I would work out for a while either off gear or at a an “Optimal TRT “ dose so muscle memory can do its thing.
Then do the cycle.
Or at just test alone at 300-500. Again thats me.

Yes sir! Go big or go home. Totally feel what your saying though.

Suprisingly my strength hasn’t really decreased much. Maybe 10%. I have logged every workout I’ve done in the past few years so I was really interested to see where I stood since gettin back at it.

Don’t get me wrong I can’t do nearly as much volume before I’m pooped but in terms of my strength I haven’t gotten nearly as weak as I’d feared lol.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Give it hell brother, can’t say with all honesty that I wouldn’t do the same thing. I kind of have actually, I get it!

[Cuz]

All you really need to lean bulk is a good diet some test and nandrolone i prefer npp over deca. You could throw in some eq also but not absolutely necessary. Too many orals for me but if i had to pick one it would be anavar/proviron.