Enathate vs. Propinate

[Maggs145]

I tryin to decide what to stack with my Deca. I want to throw in at least some test. I am only gonna do it for 4 weeks of the cycle cuz i want to avoid crashing after my cycle as mcuh as possible. As far as strength and weight gain which test is better? and as far as side effects?

[Pete235]

Keep reading and studying. Why would you only run deca for 3 weeks? Who told you you could avoid crashing be running a short cycle? Whoever put that idea in your head is full of shit!! You won't even feel the results of deca for at least 3 weeks because of the long lasting ester. Running test along with deca is a good idea but, run the entire cycle for AT LEAST 8 weeks. You will also need clomid post cycle (this will help you avoid a crash) and an anti E (nolvadex...or better yet arimidex, liquidex). What are your stats (age, height, wieght, etc...)? What is your training and eating experience? What are your goals? YES....these are pertinent questions!!

[bex]

I think you need more research bro .....I dont think you are ready for AS yet.....

[Maggs145]

Wow, i confused you guyz. I am doing the Deca for 8 weeks, but the Test for 4 weeks out of that 8 weeks. And i have Fluidex(arimidex) for use during the test, and clomid for after cycle along with 5000 IU of HCG that i will split up into 2 dosages. I decided to go with the Propinate, so i can do some site injections. I am hoping to put on a good amount of size. The reason why I am not doing to much of a hardcore cycle is because i am planning on doing another cycle 2 months after. Equi/winny cycle so i can be on something for the summer. SO tell me, should i jsut say fuck it and do the whole bottle of test, even tho i'll be on anotha cycle 2 months later???

Stats: 19 years old, 160lbs, 5'5", around 8% BF, bench 250, I've been training off and on for 4 years, but consistently since last spring. The only shit i've ever done was Oxandralone and it was only because i needed strength but no size for wrestlilng. I am open to any suggestions at all. Thanks Pete i appreciate the help.

[BIG_GUNS_21]

To young still but if your going to do it ANYWAY, take the prop and do it for 6 weeks. enethate will not do much if anything in a 4 week time frame. But again, TO YOUNG!

[Maggs145]

Don't waste any time in replying. haha. Since i am goin to be doing spot injections i want to hit the chest and bis, so i was planning on does 25mg eod, so i could hit each muscle at least five times. I would do that for 4-6 weeks. And about that Arimidex, what do you recommend for dosage while taking the Test. Thanks man.

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Inless you are doin a LOT of test airmi may be over kill. But if you have it take 1/2mg ed. The 25mg eod is no where NEAR enough test to even bother sticking a pin in your body. No gains there. Time to retool this cycle bro.

[Maggs145]

Alright, done a lil bit of retooling. This lookin better bro. I did'nt include the Arimidex, HCG, or Clomid. You think this will be good, or should I up it to 100mg eod in there for a week or two?

Wk. Deca T. Prop

1 200mg
2 200mg
3 200mg 50mg/eod
4 300mg 50mg/eod
5 300mg 75mg/eod
6 300mg 75mg/eod
7 200mg 50mg/eod
8 100mg 25mg/eod

[Pete235]

Sorry bro...yeah, your first post was a little unclear. I second BG's assesment that you are still too young, but obviously this is somethingyou are gonna do anyway...so here's my .02

Run the deca @ 400mg/week the whole way through
Test prop @ 50mg/ed (very short acting ester)
arimidex @ .25mg/day

[jersey juice]

If your only gonna run test for 4 weeks, why you would do this is beyond my comprehension, use prop. Enanthate takes 8-10 days, prop only takes 3, IMO I would up the dose, but you are 19 and shouldn't be doing this anyway. Personnally I'd run both for 8 weeks with arimidex and clomid post cycle. I don't even think 8 weeks is enough to get the full effect of deca, I would run it nothing less than 10 weeks.

[GLASSVOICE]

Here is my opinion,

Do the Deca @400 per week
do enanthate @300 per week
Do Test Prop eod for about 3 weeks

and do the site injections with at least 150ml of Test Prop whenever you feel you need it on your site injections!

That's what I would do!

Glassvoice

[Maggs145]

Thanks guys i appreciate the help.