Kratom...anyone know or use this?

**tarmyg** · 02-06-2017, 03:56 AM

Took 5-6g of Red Bali last night. Told my wife that is I act funny it's nothing to worry about. 10 minutes later she said I looked "purple". Yeah, the jokes did not get any better after that ;-)

Conclusion. I felt pretty much nothing. Got two more batches to try. Let's see how that goes then back to the first one and double dosage. After that, if nothing, I will skip Kratom for now.

**MuscleScience** · 02-06-2017, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by tarmyg

Took 5-6g of Red Bali last night. Told my wife that is I act funny it's nothing to worry about. 10 minutes later she said I looked "purple". Yeah, the jokes did not get any better after that ;-)

Conclusion. I felt pretty much nothing. Got two more batches to try. Let's see how that goes then back to the first one and double dosage. After that, if nothing, I will skip Kratom for now.

I'm telling you, 9-12g is where it's at...lol

**tarmyg** · 02-10-2017, 02:32 AM

This will be my last Kratom update.

This morning I was out of Ibuprofen and figured Kratom was worth one last shot so I added 12g of Green Bali into my Guava juice. About 15 minutes later I started feeling a bit light-headed and pupils shrank up. Started feeling like I was drunk honestly. Still, headed out to CrossFit. After arriving I was extremely sleepy, around 9 AM, and sat down in one of our leather chairs. 2.5h later I woke up and everyone was done working out. They told me they tried waking me up several times and considered calling an ambulance. I was sleeping with top volume playing, barbells dropped from overhead with 220 lbs on them so I must have been pretty out of it. Still not Ok and it has been about 7h since I took it.

This will be my last interaction with Kratom I think :-)

**MuscleScience** · 05-01-2017, 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by tarmyg

This will be my last Kratom update.

This morning I was out of Ibuprofen and figured Kratom was worth one last shot so I added 12g of Green Bali into my Guava juice. About 15 minutes later I started feeling a bit light-headed and pupils shrank up. Started feeling like I was drunk honestly. Still, headed out to CrossFit. After arriving I was extremely sleepy, around 9 AM, and sat down in one of our leather chairs. 2.5h later I woke up and everyone was done working out. They told me they tried waking me up several times and considered calling an ambulance. I was sleeping with top volume playing, barbells dropped from overhead with 220 lbs on them so I must have been pretty out of it. Still not Ok and it has been about 7h since I took it.

This will be my last interaction with Kratom I think :-)

Yikes! You only take that much if your going to bed. Or are in a ton of pain and don't have much going on.

**MuscleScience** · 05-01-2017, 04:39 AM

Little update,

I ran out of Kratom for 4 days. I forgot to reorder it online, its way to expensive to buy it locally. By day 4 my back was in knots like before I first started using it. I finally broke down and bought some locally. I just can't believe how I lived
With my back knotted up like it gets. The great thing is I haven't filled my order for pain killers and muscle relaxers for almost a year now.

**hammerheart** · 05-01-2017, 05:25 AM

How does the anxiolytic mechanism of this kratom work?

Tried xanax to relax lately but experienced "paradox" reactions - was planning a deep, long sleep but spent the night sweating with a racing heart and nightmares all along.

**MuscleScience** · 05-01-2017, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by bizzarro

How does the anxiolytic mechanism of this kratom work?

Tried xanax to relax lately but experienced "paradox" reactions - was planning a deep, long sleep but spent the night sweating with a racing heart and nightmares all along.

Works amazingly well for that, probably as good as xanax.

**Fiskevatten** · 05-01-2017, 09:59 PM

Damn, exciting read!
I live in Thailand and have never heard of it, and I've tried pretty much everything there is.
My girl tho got surprised I didn't know abt Kratom.

Seems to be a big market on this as well and the legal state seem to go up and down every year all over.
Will see what I can get my hands on through my contacts.
Green Maeng Da and Green Malay seems to be highly appreciated in Europe.

Does it have any benefits without the drug classed substance inside?

**Tragoth** · 05-06-2017, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by bizzarro

How does the anxiolytic mechanism of this kratom work?

Tried xanax to relax lately but experienced "paradox" reactions - was planning a deep, long sleep but spent the night sweating with a racing heart and nightmares all along.

Mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, the two alkaloids mainly responsible for the effects of kratom, are selective and full agonists of the ?-subtype opioid receptor (MOR). The receptor agonist effect of kratom alkaloids is antagonised by the opioid receptor antagonist naloxone.

**MuscleScience** · 10-23-2017, 08:28 PM

Anyone got a good supplier they trust. Mine went MIA :-(

**tarmyg** · 10-24-2017, 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

Anyone got a good supplier they trust. Mine went MIA :-(

This is the guy who sent me samples of 6 different varieties that I did not pay more than $15 for just so I could try it. Was a great experience overall.

Buminesia - Finest Quality, Finest Remedy

**MuscleScience** · 09-29-2018, 04:42 AM

Bump,

**JoeSvhmoe** · 11-08-2019, 07:04 PM

Great for pain, gives good energy as well. Different doses do different things. 5-7 grams good for pain. I believe 7-13 for energy .. green meng da works the best imo

**Ashop** · 11-10-2019, 07:36 PM

If you can find it you may want to stock up on it. Getting harder to find in some areas.

**Bonaparte** · 02-06-2020, 08:46 AM

I stick to Green Maeng Da and no more than 5g/1 Tbsp daily (usually divided into 2 or 3 doses). You can still find it online for $60-70/kilo.

**KINGKONG** · 02-06-2020, 09:12 AM

Love kratom, is that a surprise lol
It's a great pain reliever I try to only take as needed..it's a lot stronger then OTC pain killers it's like natural opiate,.

**The road** · 02-06-2020, 01:18 PM

I used it a bit.
Then I overdosed it.
Compared to oxy's it was the worst opiate sickness I ever had. It lasted days. I would vomit if I smelled it now.
It absolutely works. Just be careful how you dose it. They say you cant hurt yourself with it but after two days over standing over a sink with saliva pouring out and shaking, I question that.
It was God awful. I have an addictive personality but that sickness steered me right away from it. I dont think I could touch oxys either now. That feeling just ain't the same since that horrible experience.

I did use it for some time at lower dosages and was on cloud nine all day. Much more compassionate and considerate.

**Bonaparte** · 02-06-2020, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by The road

I used it a bit.
Then I overdosed it.
Compared to oxy's it was the worst opiate sickness I ever had. It lasted days. I would vomit if I smelled it now.
It absolutely works. Just be careful how you dose it. They say you cant hurt yourself with it but after two days over standing over a sink with saliva pouring out and shaking, I question that.
It was God awful. I have an addictive personality but that sickness steered me right away from it. I dont think I could touch oxys either now. That feeling just ain't the same since that horrible experience.

I did use it for some time at lower dosages and was on cloud nine all day. Much more compassionate and considerate.

How much did you take when you overdosed on it? And what strain was it?

**The road** · 02-06-2020, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

How much did you take when you overdosed on it? And what strain was it?

Yellow vein and it was tablesppon after tablespoon.
No idea but half a bag.
I was seeking a high to escape and I got a reality I couldnt face.

**Windex** · 02-06-2020, 09:05 PM

I gave it 4 attempts across 2 different brands before I gave up. The taste was so putrid, makes those green powders taste like chocolate milkshakes by comparison. I tried mixing with juice, milk, tea, even taking it by the spoonful and chasing with a liquid.

Eventually just got my medical cannibis card and now order CBD oil instead en mass.

**KINGKONG** · 02-06-2020, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Windex

I gave it 4 attempts across 2 different brands before I gave up. The taste was so putrid, makes those green powders taste like chocolate milkshakes by comparison. I tried mixing with juice, milk, tea, even taking it by the spoonful and chasing with a liquid.

Eventually just got my medical cannibis card and now order CBD oil instead en mass.

Lol Yeah it's bad bad bad
I bought a capsule maker from amazon think it was 20 bucks ..A 00 capsule fits 1/2 gram or so, it makes 100 fairly quickly, maybe 2-3 minutes..
Well worth the price..think it even came with empty capsules, or throw it cheap instant coffee maker and brew it through twice..it gets most of the active ingredient..say your eating 10 grams, throw 12 in..use a tablespoon of honey or fake sugar to take away the bitter edge and , it's not that bad!

**White Lotus** · 02-14-2020, 10:20 AM

Been thinking of giving this a try, there's a shop literally right next door to my gym.
I've had shoulder pain flair-ups for years (partially torn rotator cuff), I will post results.

**Oliver47** · 03-18-2020, 03:53 AM

Kratom works, but keep in mind that you will be building tolerance is a huge problem in Kratom use. Addiction and building tolerance for ANY substance is a formula for disaster, a nightmare scenario.

Better try CBD. Some CBD oil was given to me last year and I tried it. It seemed to help a little with my energy level, chronic pain, and mental/emotional balance. Better go for the most potent CBD products than for Kratom

**Bonaparte** · 03-19-2020, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Oliver47

Kratom works, but keep in mind that you will be building tolerance is a huge problem in Kratom use. Addiction and building tolerance for ANY substance is a formula for disaster, a nightmare scenario.

Better try CBD. Some CBD oil was given to me last year and I tried it. It seemed to help a little with my energy level, chronic pain, and mental/emotional balance. Better go for the most potent CBD products than for Kratom

I use kratom during the day for energy, and CBD at night for more restful sleep.
The key with Kratom is to not increase your dose as you develop a tolerance. Just realize that it isn't going to be as intense as when you first used it, and take breaks from it when you can.
Even then, you don't develop a tolerance to kratom nearly as fast as actual opiates.

**C27H40O3** · 06-04-2020, 10:31 PM

Did anyone ever get this shit dialed in right yet?

**Dash Bronson** · 06-29-2020, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by C27H40O3

Did anyone ever get this shit dialed in right yet?

Ive got this shit dialed in. #1 there is a huge difference with quality across different vendors. The BEST and ONLY vendors I buy from are-

#1 Happy Hippo - Packaging is Gay AF but product is Best out there.
#2 Christopher's Organic Botanical
#3 Pharmacy Dropout

In that order, there is simply no one else worth ordering from. Som others are good but these 3 are always consistently excellent.

Best strains - Hyper Hippo (green Mangda) - For energy workout, cleaning, working, getting shit done - I take this in AM
Magic Hippo - For chilling relaxing helping to sleep or take stress off - This in PM

Most people fuck up the dose. All these dopes ordering gas station Kratom and taking 12grams is just insane and dangerous. Kratom does not get better the more you dose, it makes you sick and feel awful if you take too much.

SO if you have a quality product your going to start with NO MORE than 2Grams of the Hippo stuff, id recommend 1.5g as the sweet spot for best effect. THATS IT! More = Worse. Now if you have a tolerance or your very heavy you can increase slightly. For Example im 180lbs I take 1.3g in the am, to get me wired (better than coffee). and I take 2g red at night to help me sleep and it always works. Thats it and ive taken it for over a year. This keeps my tolerance low, I can stop taking it anytime without side effects and its the more enjoyable dose to keep it low in the 2g range. If you stick to a schedule and you weight your dose, than tolerance will not become an issue for you. I haven't built a tolerance in a year because I measure, and im consistent. The people who abuse it are just dopes buying garbage quality and taking huge doses because its junk and they feel shitty and blow up a tolerance with it.

**jasc** · 07-21-2020, 11:56 AM

I just came across a documentary on it last night, Leaf Of Faith, on Netflix. It's made by the same guy who made Bigger, Faster, Stronger. It's worth a watch if you have time.

I know this post is a blast from the past, but figured I'd add that in for anyone looking for solid info.

Personally I've used it for a while and really like it. 2 grams gives a nice boost with no side effects, in my experience.

**ascendant** · 09-17-2020, 10:22 PM

I don't have the time to read all the other posts here, but I will say that kratom is potentially worse than opiates. The problem is that with opiates, people are at least aware how addictive they can be and are at least somewhat aware what they are getting themselves into when they use them. Kratom has the same effects, only a lot of people take it thinking since it's "natural," it's safer. It isn't. I know personally. Used it as an anti-depressant for a year and a half. Coming off it was the second worst experience I ever had in my life. Pain, depression, anhedonia, and MUCH more for months. It was a nightmare.

With that said, IF people are aware and use it in moderation, it's recreational use is relatively safe. The problem is when people start using it daily, unaware of how addictive it is.

**Madcox** · 09-23-2020, 07:58 PM

Been taking Kratom for about 6 - 8 years now... I used to take it everyday all day however it slowed my thyroid so instead of taking the thyroid meds like Dr. wanted I stopped taking the kratom for a month while taking ashwaghanda and when I retested my thyroid numbers were back in the normal range... Now I take half teaspoon first thing in the morning mixed in with my morning coffee and that is all I take daily... My coffee is strong black and bitter anyway so kratom doesn't really make it taste any worse

I take the Horned Kratom btw...

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**Booz** · 09-20-2022, 04:21 PM

Omg!

**Beefcheeks7** · 02-10-2024, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Madcox

Been taking Kratom for about 6 - 8 years now... I used to take it everyday all day however it slowed my thyroid so instead of taking the thyroid meds like Dr. wanted I stopped taking the kratom for a month while taking ashwaghanda and when I retested my thyroid numbers were back in the normal range... Now I take half teaspoon first thing in the morning mixed in with my morning coffee and that is all I take daily... My coffee is strong black and bitter anyway so kratom doesn't really make it taste any worse

I take the Horned Kratom btw...

How did you quit? I’ve been taking it for 2 years and when I stop I’m super dragged down and a little depressed like the 0 dopamine and serotonin kind of you know what I mean.