Why arent my arm muscles getting sore???

[saad_164]

okk, i mentioned in another thread that i started steroids at the age of 16, and ever since than i never noticed soreness in my arms, except for my shoulders..I tried Heavy weights, low weights on my arms, but it just wont get sore..currently i switched back to low weights

here's my routine which i started few days ago after taking a one month break in an attempt to sore my arm muscles:

(1st day- Triceps & shoulders)

1. Tricep Kickbacks : 3 sets, (20, 15, 15) - 1 minute rest between sets
2. Tricep Overhead Extension: 3 sets (11,10,10)- 1 minute rest between sets
3. Chair Dips : 3 sets (20, 15, 10)- 1 minute rest between sets

4. Front Raises : 2 sets (10, 10)
5. Side Raises : 2 sets (8, 8)
6. Bent Over Raises : 2 sets (8,8)
7. Upright rows : 2 sets (8,8)
8. Shoulder Press : 2 sets (8,8)


(2nd day- Biceps & forearms)

1. Standing Hammer Curls (biceps) : 3 sets (40, 25, 15)
2. Sitting Dummbell Concentration Curls (biceps) : 3 sets (15, 15, 15)
3. Pull- ups : 4 sets (5, 5, 5, 4)

[Twist]

Your workout is really weird. why the high reps? and 2 sets for each exercise is not necessary. More like you want to do too many exercises and in the process neglect each one. also why pull ups for biceps? yeah they work, but could be better used elsewhere


my arms are never sore.

[Critical Mass]

My arms get really sore when I switch things up a little. Try a new exercise.

[marcus300]

Pick some basic exercises for your arms and incorporate drop sets to muscular failure and beyond

[saad_164]

since, ure arms dont get sore.. did you still get muscle gains???

i'm sure that you're older than me, and you're reaching somewhere near your plateau. but i'm only 21. and i havent experienced arm soreness ever since i was 16 years old, plus i havent even made any significant gains. i have skinny arm muscles.

[BigBuck6]

If i had to guess, i would say that your natural testosterone production is very low and that is a result from drugs at such a young age.

[saad_164]

If i had to guess, i would say that your natural testosterone production is very low and that is a result from drugs at such a young age.

yeah but does low test production have anything to do with soreness??
i'm actually thinking about getting some bloodwork done

[BigBuck6]

you don't need to be sore to have muscle hypertrophy first off, but low test levels can affect hypertrophy. in addition, the soreness or lack thereof may just be a result of a good diet. however, i doubt that considering your not making any gains, UNLESS your test levels are indeed low...make sense?

[saad_164]

you don't need to be sore to have muscle hypertrophy first off, but low test levels can affect hypertrophy. in addition, the soreness or lack thereof may just be a result of a good diet. however, i doubt that considering your not making any gains, UNLESS your test levels are indeed low...make sense?

yeah...makes sense.. i just made an appointment for a doctor on saturday.. since i dont have insurance, do you have any idea how much it will cost for bloodwork?

[BigBuck6]

i have no idea how much it will cost but you can buy testosterone check kits online for about 30 bucks i think. they work by using saliva i believe.

[stack_it]

My biceps don't get sore. They get extremely pumped and slightly sore while lifting but the next day they feel fine. I've always figures it was because the arms constantly moving and the stretch from that helps recovery. I still see gains tho so I've never worried about it enough to investigate. To me size and strength gains with no soreness is awesome lol.

[saad_164]

i have no idea how much it will cost but you can buy testosterone check kits online for about 30 bucks i think. they work by using saliva i believe.

do you think a 21-yr old could be deficient in hormones ??? cuz from what i understand is that- in this age, hormone levels are at its peak.

[Twist]

since, ure arms dont get sore.. did you still get muscle gains???

i'm sure that you're older than me, and you're reaching somewhere near your plateau. but i'm only 21. and i havent experienced arm soreness ever since i was 16 years old, plus i havent even made any significant gains. i have skinny arm muscles.

I am 21. I see gains with no soreness. I almost never get sore because My diet is in check along with my rest. slack in one of those areas and boom can't move.

If i had to guess, i would say that your natural testosterone production is very low and that is a result from drugs at such a young age.

ummm if your test is low then you are sore all the time because you don't repair muscle very well

yeah but does low test production have anything to do with soreness??
i'm actually thinking about getting some bloodwork done

Yes it does, if you are having trouble repairing muscle then it could be a number of reasons... Go get bloodwork done and stay off gear. unless of course you are low in low test level range... Then you can be on trt like me and deal with this pain in the ass (literally) all the time.

you don't need to be sore to have muscle hypertrophy first off, but low test levels can affect hypertrophy. in addition, the soreness or lack thereof may just be a result of a good diet. however, i doubt that considering your not making any gains

Bingo^^^ see you in the diet section

yeah...makes sense.. i just made an appointment for a doctor on saturday.. since i dont have insurance, do you have any idea how much it will cost for bloodwork?

$80-$170 depending on the test

do you think a 21-yr old could be deficient in hormones ??? cuz from what i understand is that- in this age, hormone levels are at its peak.

I am 21 and have the natural test levels of a girl...

[Monster87]

He's probably right that the AAS use at such a young age decreased your natural test production, but we won't know how severely until you get your bloodwork done. As for your question, a lot of people (myself included) don't get sore in their biceps or triceps, soreness is the result of lactic acid waste roducts, and these muscles are smaller and harder to exhaust to say, the extent your legs would after doing sets of heavy squats. My recommendation: take some more time off between sets, you'll have more energy and power for future sets which will cause more hypertrophy. I'd also try switching up your workout and trying new exercises. Keep in mind, soreness doesn't equal growth . I'm sure your fine bro, let us know how it goes.

[Monster87]

Damn twist 21 and on trt? What were your test levels at?

[BigBuck6]

dude if you juiced that young you probably cut off natural test production by limiting lh secretion from the pituitary gland. shit, your hypothalamus might not even be telling the pituitary gland to secrete. that is why everyone tells young kids on here to wait til their mid 20's before going on the stuff.

[Twist]

He's probably right that the AAS use at such a young age decreased your natural test production, but we won't know how severely until you get your bloodwork done could have stimulated the lh and now you have really high test levels.... As for your question, a lot of people (myself included) don't get sore in their biceps or triceps, soreness is the result of lactic acid waste products last time I checked the debate was ongoing as to what caused delayed muscle soreness, lactic acid is when you are working out, and these muscles are smaller and harder to exhaust to say, the extent your legs would after doing sets of heavy squats further, they are easier to repair. My recommendation: take some more time off between sets, you'll have more energy and power for future sets which will cause more hypertrophy. I'd also try switching up your workout and trying new exercises. Keep in mind, soreness doesn't equal growth . I'm sure your fine bro, let us know how it goes.

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Damn twist 21 and on trt? What were your test levels at?

50... normal is 250 to about 1000

[Monster87]

Wow well good job for getting that taken care of. As for the bit about AAS use during puberty stimulating the lh, all I've ever heard is that it suppresses it and causes reduced production. And I had heard previously soreness was the result of lactic acid waste products, but apparently it's the result of tissue damage from eccentric muscle contractions.

[saad_164]

hey guys, should i test for any other hormones besides testosterone??? or is that the only hormone affected by steroid use??

[dangerous dan]

No part of my body is ever sore, with an exception of my legs

You not geting sore arms means absolute jack.

[BigBuck6]

are you fat? if so you may have high estrogen levels. certain diets may promote high estrogen levels i am doing research right now on it...

[BEER WHORE]

the older you get the less arm soreness you get

[BEER WHORE]

My 1st cyle at 25 waS MIND BLOWING MY BI'S FELT SO PUMPED AND FULL OF BLOOD.

[MuscleScience]

Soreness is not an effective means of judging workout intensity or effectiveness. Virtually any new stimulus to the muscle will result in some level of soreness in an individual. One does not need to be sore to elicit a physiological response. The lack of soreness after a consistent routine is more a function of the body being able to adapt to and at some level handle the trauma associated with exercise. Assuming that your diet is not to restrictive, a person weight training consistently should have very little to any soreness after a relatively short period of time.

[saad_164]

are you fat? if so you may have high estrogen levels. certain diets may promote high estrogen levels i am doing research right now on it...

nah..i only weigh 155 lbs, and i'm 21 yrs old. sooo yeah plz let me know, if i need to test for other hormones besides testosterone .

[MuscleScience]

Wow well good job for getting that taken care of. As for the bit about AAS use during puberty stimulating the lh, all I've ever heard is that it suppresses it and causes reduced production. And I had heard previously soreness was the result of lactic acid waste products, but apparently it's the result of tissue damage from eccentric muscle contractions.

For some reason the Lactic Acid thing still lingers around as common knowledge. Even though lactic acid exist for only a few nanoseconds before it is buffered or reprocessed. When you have a build of of Lactic acid, tissue necrosis occurs because Lactic Acid is toxic and causes the shutdown of cellular processes.

[saad_164]

. Then you can be on trt like me and deal with this pain in the ass (literally) all the time.


I am 21 and have the natural test levels of a girl...

did you use steroids on top of TRT??? LOL...and any gains??

[Ronnie Rowland]

My arms don't get sore yet they are my best body part. My lats always get sore and they are probably my second best body part. My legs get the sorest and they are my worst body part.

Soreness is not an indicator of muscle growth!

[DSM4Life]

Soreness is not an effective means of judging workout intensity or effectiveness. Virtually any new stimulus to the muscle will result in some level of soreness in an individual. One does not need to be sore to elicit a physiological response. The lack of soreness after a consistent routine is more a function of the body being able to adapt to and at some level handle the trauma associated with exercise. Assuming that your diet is not to restrictive, a person weight training consistently should have very little to any soreness after a relatively short period of time.

Spot on.

Try changing up routine.

[jbran23]

okk, i mentioned in another thread that i started steroids at the age of 16, and ever since than i never noticed soreness in my arms, except for my shoulders..I tried Heavy weights, low weights on my arms, but it just wont get sore..currently i switched back to low weights

here's my routine which i started few days ago after taking a one month break in an attempt to sore my arm muscles:

(1st day- Triceps & shoulders)

1. Tricep Kickbacks : 3 sets, (20, 15, 15) - 1 minute rest between sets
2. Tricep Overhead Extension: 3 sets (11,10,10)- 1 minute rest between sets
3. Chair Dips : 3 sets (20, 15, 10)- 1 minute rest between sets

4. Front Raises : 2 sets (10, 10)
5. Side Raises : 2 sets (8, 8)
6. Bent Over Raises : 2 sets (8,8)
7. Upright rows : 2 sets (8,8)
8. Shoulder Press : 2 sets (8,8)


(2nd day- Biceps & forearms)

1. Standing Hammer Curls (biceps) : 3 sets (40, 25, 15)
2. Sitting Dummbell Concentration Curls (biceps) : 3 sets (15, 15, 15)
3. Pull- ups : 4 sets (5, 5, 5, 4)

What about your legs? Chest? Back? Any soreness in other parts of your body after you work them out?

[hot stuff]

My arms don't get sore yet they are my best body part. My lats always get sore and they are probably my second best body part. My legs get the sorest and they are my worst body part.

Soreness is not an indicator of muscle growth!

I don't mean to hijack a thread, but Ronnie, What IS a decent indicator of working the mucle too much or too little without waiting for months to measure? I'm sure this is an open-ended question, but I would like to hear your opinion.......

[stevey_6t9]

why is everyone relating muscle soreness to test levels? My biceps have never been sore in 2 years are there 17 inches. im 18 to

[eatrainrest]

soreness is a poor indicator for a good workout

[mg1228]

read this before i did arms the other day and was happy to hear that most of u dont get sore arms---because i dont either----then i went and did bi's and really concentrated on the negatives and at the end of the workout i did statics as long as i could hold it on an incline bench---bam next day couldnt scratch my ass---dont know why----before this my arms aint been sore in 8 mo.

[anabol1590]

I found that my form was stopping me from working my bi's correctly...

[Valac]

yeah switch it up, when ya go bi curls bring the inside of your palm in to your shoulder so that your lil finger is in line with your front delt and keep it in that postion for the whole set, doin that has help me heaps with my bi development instead of loose form.

[bucks_243]

when I first started lifitng I had the soreness/stiffness in the muscle group I worked for that day after 3-5 days it went away. After about a month of lifitng consistently it went away completely. I never have soreness anymore in any muscle group. I was told this was DOMS or Delayed onset Muscle Soreness. That's all I'm gonna say cause I'm new to weight lifting and will get powned by a senior member soon if I start sounding like I know waht I'm talking about. I'm hear to learn.

[inheritmylife]

I don't mean to hijack a thread, but Ronnie, What IS a decent indicator of working the mucle too much or too little without waiting for months to measure? I'm sure this is an open-ended question, but I would like to hear your opinion.......

Progress.

[hot stuff]

I found that my form was stopping me from working my bi's correctly...

Yes!! For some reason, I have made better gains by dropping the weight and maintaining very strict form with special concentration on the squeeze at the top of the movement. Hurts like hell!!

P.S. This also seems to work well for developing the calf muscles. Sometimes I think our ego gets in the way of our progress!!

[ranging1]

dude if you juiced that young you probably cut off natural test production by limiting lh secretion from the pituitary gland. shit, your hypothalamus might not even be telling the pituitary gland to secrete. that is why everyone tells young kids on here to wait til their mid 20's before going on the stuff.

in all fairness theirs no studies that prove this, we base this on our own beliefs and theories

and alot of people on this forum have cyces at a young age, so saying cycling then cut off his test production is just a theory, theirs no evidence of this occouring

I don't mean to hijack a thread, but Ronnie, What IS a decent indicator of working the mucle too much or too little without waiting for months to measure? I'm sure this is an open-ended question, but I would like to hear your opinion.......

IMO if your loosing strength it can be an indicator of working a muscle to much