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    For those who avoid squats.

    When you go to the gym and see people working out a good majority of those people are bodybuilders, athletes and just people who likes to workout and want to look good. For some reason only 20% of those people do squats. I went around my gym and took a poll asking who does squats and almost everyone said "No I do leg press" or "Nah i don't work legs i have bad knees". Well i have one thing to say to that SQUAT!! Now I would be a hypocrite if I were to say I wasn't like that once because I have been like that my entire life, but about 2 months ago i began squating and I have to say it's not only my hardest workout but it is now my favorite. When I first started squating i could only do 205 10 times and now 2 months later I'm doing 295 10 times and that's after doing leg press consistantly for a while. Now before I started squating I didnt have "chicken" legs because I still did do leg press.

    First and most obvious reason why you should squat is the reason i just stated. You don't want chicken legs!! Having a large upper body looks awsome and badass but without a good pair of wheels you will look stupid! The bigger your upper body gets the dumber you are going to look. I don't know about you guys but when I look in the mirror and see my pretty large upper body and small legs I feel embarrased and even depressed. If you think people are looking at you and talking about how disproportional you are because you have such a large upper body and small legs then they probably are. I hear most of the people in my gym talking about the body builders who don't work their legs all the time. Bottom line is having a nice pair of legs will make you look like an all around monster!

    For those of you who work out all natural this one is for you. It's a proven fact that working larger muscles helps your body release more hormones. More hormones = more muscle growth and when your legs take up a large portion of your body why wouldnt you take advantage of this? I once talked to a huge bodybuilder at my gym and I told him I was at a peak on bench press and I wanted to know how to get past that peak. He asked me "Do you work legs?" I replied "No not often" and he said "Start working your legs harder and you will pass your peak on bench.

    Squat over Leg Press: Now I'm not dogging on leg press here, they did get my legs pretty big but Squats are king! Doing leg press over Squats are like doing the Machine Bench over Barbell Bench. Leg press only does so much for your legs while squats pretty much hit everything on your legs full blast. Im 6'3 and am now to the point where i do past 90% squats and not to sound like a girl here but it's really helped out my glutes which i was always ashamed of. I always kind of had a flabby ass lol and now I have the glutes of a champion. Take it from me girls love nice firm butts. If your only doing leg press and now squats then you arent hitting your glutes very much!! You will hit your Quadriceps very well but not the glutes. You can do leg press all day and trust me you will not notice anything in your glutes. Also after doing a set of leg press my legs are very sore but nothing compared to an intense set of squats. Squats give you a full range of motion enabling you to hit your entire glutes and entire Quadriceps. I actually do both leg press and squats which helps me really kill my legs.

    Knee problems/Back problems? Bullshit grow a pair of nuts and squat! It took me a while to grow a pair and I'm so glad i did. I have dislocated my left knee cap twice and have mnoderate skoliosis in my back. I uses to have very weak knees and a weak back but these problems are easily solved.

    Back Problems: Ok come on people there is so many different things you can do to fix this. For one the best thing you can do is deadlift! I'm 6'3 with skoliosis and deadlift 485. When i was in highschool squating killed my back but now that i have a back of steel from deadlifting squats don't hurt my back at all. If you don't want to lift heavy weights for deadlifts then stick to sets of 8-10 reps once a week on back days. With proper form and hard work you will notice a difference in no time. Another simple fix for back problems is wear a belt! I wear a belt for just about every lift I do (Chest, Shoulders, Back, etc). Even with a weak back you will still have no problem squating.

    Knee Problems: Once again this is a simple fix. You can wrap your knees which will give you a tremendious amount of support and prevent injuries. Personally I dont do this because as you get in the routine of squating your knees WILL become stronger. 2 months ago my knees felt like they were going to tear and now I have no problems with them at all. An easy way to avoid knee injuries is to keep the reps high. If you have serious knee problems like I do then keep the reps 10-15 for every set. Within a month or 2 you WILL notice your knee strength increase and they will be sore less often. Even with stronger knees i still keep my reps around 10 to avoid future injuries. Doing heavy weight is what causes knee injuries so try and avoid low reps.

    Now I'm not claiming to be the master of squats because I'm no where near that. 295x10 is warm up for alot of people. This thread is for people like me who have knee, back problems, are unproportional and are stuck at a peak on a certain lift. I also managed to put on alot of weight from squating so much and it feels good. There are so many different benefits from squats idk why anyone would avoid them.

    I hope this helps motivate some people to start squating.

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    I think it's a vicious circle...a lot of people don't squat because they are scared, but there are not enough people who put in real squat work to convince these people otherwise...so it's a self-fulfilling prophecy in a way. Most of the time when I see people squatting at my gym it's the complete wrong way to do it. Their stance is wrong, they are trying to much weight, not hitting depth, no control over their core or back, etc...

    Because of this most people cant progress past a certain point (weight) with squatting, so they usually just give up instead of taking the time to research and learn the right way to do it. It took me 3 years into working out before I started squatting with the bar. I would use the smith machine as a novice and found it extremely difficult. One night all the machines were taken so I figured screw it I'll use the bar...WOW what a difference. A new world was opened up to me that night 7 years ago and I haven't looked back. As your squat progesses so will everything else.

    It's always good to learn new things even if they are scary. I never did power-cleans because of fear of screwing up my already screwed up shoulders...but I ran into this olympic lifter dude and he's helping me out with that, and I'm helping him out with his squats as he's taking more of a turn towards power lifting, while I'm taking more of a turn towards sport training which requires explosiveness, thus the reason for the power-cleans. Learning is always a good thing!!!!

    Squatting is probably the hardest thing to do in the gym, but it's also the most rewarding, IMO.

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    This reminds of of the other night at the gym. I usually go in the mornings but because of my schedule I went at night for the first time in awhile. There were a few guys surrounding the sqat rack (surprisingly) so as I did my workout I watched them slightly out of the corner of my eye. This one guy, after a few warm-ups, goes over, racks on 365 with a belt on, and squats down like 3 inches, and comes back up. He proceeds to do this for a good 8 reps and puts it up like he's actually accomplished something. I just laughed and continued to watch them for a good 30 minutes continue doing the same thing. It's amazing how stupid people are... He probably goes around saying he squats 365, yet fails to mention he goes down only 3 inches with a weight belt... Haha, but yeah, def good post, made me think of that!

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    Everytime I squat, my knee goes out. I've tried box squats, sumo squats, blah blah blah.... I've come to realize I'm too old. Too many years of competitive running tore up my knees. So my plan B is leg press. not perfect, but better than sitting in the lazy boy every night slamming a case of beer. As i type this, I'm still rehabbing my left knee. Waiting to get a hyraulonic (sp?) injection in my knee... hopefully soon.

    I thought a heavy var cycle would help, but so far, i'm still in pain. went to the raider game last weekend against the fukkin texans, and all the walking put me out of action til yesterday. damm! going to the friggin charger game this weekend!!!

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    I love squats, but it's really difficult to get my training partners to do them with me. Most of the reasoning is the same as in the original post, they say "I have bad knees/back", or they just feel squats are dangerous or bad for you. I usually end up having to compromise and do hack squats on the machine and leg presses, but I would really love working out with someone who was into all the various free weight squat variations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LawMan018 View Post
    This reminds of of the other night at the gym. I usually go in the mornings but because of my schedule I went at night for the first time in awhile. There were a few guys surrounding the sqat rack (surprisingly) so as I did my workout I watched them slightly out of the corner of my eye. This one guy, after a few warm-ups, goes over, racks on 365 with a belt on, and squats down like 3 inches, and comes back up. He proceeds to do this for a good 8 reps and puts it up like he's actually accomplished something. I just laughed and continued to watch them for a good 30 minutes continue doing the same thing. It's amazing how stupid people are... He probably goes around saying he squats 365, yet fails to mention he goes down only 3 inches with a weight belt... Haha, but yeah, def good post, made me think of that!
    Hahaha yea i see this all the time and it pisses me off. Some people tell me "I want to squat but I cant do that much" well the only way to progress is to do them and no one will laugh at you for trying. If your putting on 365 and doing it for 8 reps and only going down 3 inchs then i will laugh at you. If you put on 135 and do it for barely 8 reps and go down past 90% then i have alot of respect for you.

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    Good information thanks bud,

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    Boy, you sure are passionate about them, to have only been doing em 2 months. sounds like you've really had your eyes opened. good for you. Keep it up.

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    I was 6'3 and 70kg 6 months ago, then i started lifting weights and eating good

    now i am 88kg and i owe alot of it to deadlift and squats they kill me but i love them.

    I found it hard to deadlift and squat 5 x 8 at 40kg now i do 5 x 8 at 110kg

    Now my legs dont look so skinny and my pants dont need a belt because i finally have a bum to hold them up and a bum that looks strong and powerfull instead of a flat ass

    And this is only 6 months just the begining of a new life

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    Squat deads pulls and pressing, the cores of any masters program if you don't donthem your pissing In the wind.

    Usually first and second questions are

    What's your squat
    What's your dead

    If the answer to this is " my mates dogs uncle said squats are bad for you" your not worth the conversation.
    Last edited by n00bs; 10-08-2010 at 10:08 PM.

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    Deadlifts are not good for your back, they are good for muscular development but add little to disc health. Having said that I squat and do deads, love em!
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    If deads are the worst thing anybody does to their bodies on this forum I would be a happy man lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by n00bs View Post
    If deads are the worst thing anybody does to their bodies on this forum I would be a happy man lol
    Agreed, box squat should be outlawed.
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    Love squats, but dont do deads....Used to do them, but stopped. Not for any particular reason, just grew tired of them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mastablasta7 View Post
    Knee problems/Back problems? Bullshit grow a pair of nuts and squat! It took me a while to grow a pair and I'm so glad i did. I have dislocated my left knee cap twice and have mnoderate skoliosis in my back. I uses to have very weak knees and a weak back but these problems are easily solved.
    this guy is a douch, judging by his spelling hes not the most educated guy. sure squats are better then leg press, but the statement about saying people with injuries should "grow some nuts" and squat is stupid. You might as well say guys with torn tricep tendons man up and bench. I had 40% of my lateral posterior meniscus removed, i wonder if squats will fix that. idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green22 View Post
    Boy, you sure are passionate about them, to have only been doing em 2 months. sounds like you've really had your eyes opened. good for you. Keep it up.
    Haha yea well im also on cycle so that would help explain 90pounds on my 10rep max. The main reason for starting is that i dont want chicken legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevey_6t9 View Post
    this guy is a douch, judging by his spelling hes not the most educated guy. sure squats are better then leg press, but the statement about saying people with injuries should "grow some nuts" and squat is stupid. You might as well say guys with torn tricep tendons man up and bench. I had 40% of my lateral posterior meniscus removed, i wonder if squats will fix that. idiot.
    Hey retard i was directing that towards people who don't actually have "real" knee problems. It's directed towards people who just don't like squating because it hurts their knees. If you have torn ligaments or tendons then you shouldn't be doing that workout. Also if you had surgery on your knee then squating isnt a good idea. But if you havent had any "Real" knee problems and your excuse is "It makes my knees ache" then thats a shitty excuse. I actually have REAL knee problems and still squat. Why don't you use some common sense instead of trying to start shit. If someone tells me "I cant squat i had knee surgery" then thats different then saying "I cant squat my knees hurt". Also sorry i wrote that whole thing in five minutes and didnt bother using spell check. I didn't know i was turning this post into my english teacher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevey_6t9 View Post
    this guy is a douch, judging by his spelling hes not the most educated guy. sure squats are better then leg press, but the statement about saying people with injuries should "grow some nuts" and squat is stupid. You might as well say guys with torn tricep tendons man up and bench. I had 40% of my lateral posterior meniscus removed, i wonder if squats will fix that. idiot.
    Haven't you heard squats cure everything, even cancer

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    Unfortunately that is the story I have to tell..I have two bad knees,right knee completely tore my anterior cruciate.had it replaced with the achillias tendon from a cadaver.I am construction worker so went back to work to pay bills before I was suppopsed to and favored the right knee enough so that I ended up damaging the left one..I have always lifted on and off and of course my job is physical all day every day..But I havnt squatted since I was 25 or so,always use leg presses,sleigh etc..
    But after reading this thread I have had enought of my own excuses!!!!
    Thanks for the sh!t talking.. it has inspired me to go back to what we all know WORKS!!!
    Mondays workout is gonna frikkin HURT!!!!!

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    I like squats: front, back, and even overhead.

    My gripe is the newest squat fad to hit the gyms I go to; is partner assisted squats. I swear it is the gayest thig I've ever seen; it appears to limit range of motion. There is no reason for two guys to go butt to nuts in the gym even if they are flaming. I can't even see its justificaion in safety. I've had to dump yep makes a lot of noise but how do you get out from the weight if a dude is attached to your butt?. Maybe when two dudes meet and sparks fly partner squats is like 2nd base, I don't know. Rant off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sicko View Post
    Unfortunately that is the story I have to tell..I have two bad knees,right knee completely tore my anterior cruciate.had it replaced with the achillias tendon from a cadaver.I am construction worker so went back to work to pay bills before I was suppopsed to and favored the right knee enough so that I ended up damaging the left one..I have always lifted on and off and of course my job is physical all day every day..But I havnt squatted since I was 25 or so,always use leg presses,sleigh etc..
    But after reading this thread I have had enought of my own excuses!!!!
    Thanks for the sh!t talking.. it has inspired me to go back to what we all know WORKS!!!
    Mondays workout is gonna frikkin HURT!!!!!
    Like i said to stevey if you have a "Real" injury like you described then you probably shouldnt be squating. But if you have never had any real injuries other then "My knees hurt" then that is no excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regular guy View Post
    I like squats: front, back, and even overhead.

    My gripe is the newest squat fad to hit the gyms I go to; is partner assisted squats. I swear it is the gayest thig I've ever seen; it appears to limit range of motion. There is no reason for two guys to go butt to nuts in the gym even if they are flaming. I can't even see its justificaion in safety. I've had to dump yep makes a lot of noise but how do you get out from the weight if a dude is attached to your butt?. Maybe when two dudes meet and sparks fly partner squats is like 2nd base, I don't know. Rant off.
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    Are you upset you couldn't get a spot ?
    Only when they don't push back

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    It is a real injury but it happened a long time ago. Just never felt like I recovered 100% or even 75% for that matter.Blew it out at least half dozen times since the operation.(usually in aggressive sport situation,or fights heheh)Anyways I think fear of blowing it out and not being able to work,pay bills,down gym time etc.. has given my sorry ass an EXCUSE not to squat.
    I am not going to go nuts or anything, but it is time to get back on the horse as they say...
    I have plenty of braces and wraps from over the years I guess I will just have to bust one out n get it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mastablasta7 View Post
    Hey retard i was directing that towards people who don't actually have "real" knee problems. It's directed towards people who just don't like squating because it hurts their knees. If you have torn ligaments or tendons then you shouldn't be doing that workout. Also if you had surgery on your knee then squating isnt a good idea. But if you havent had any "Real" knee problems and your excuse is "It makes my knees ache" then thats a shitty excuse. I actually have REAL knee problems and still squat. Why don't you use some common sense instead of trying to start shit. If someone tells me "I cant squat i had knee surgery" then thats different then saying "I cant squat my knees hurt". Also sorry i wrote that whole thing in five minutes and didnt bother using spell check. I didn't know i was turning this post into my english teacher.
    your direction to people who dont have "real" knee problems wasnt made clear at all, infact all you mention was "knee problems", theres a big difference between them. Im not starting shit at all, you just sounded like a green hardcore trainer advocating everyone regardless of their injuries to start squatting thats all. no need to take it personally.

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    I am 21 and have blown out both knees squatting while at lsu. I love squats and are trying to get back into them but the pain is nearly unbearable. Thats why they make other machines to go along with leg press. Considering most machines are isolated to certain areas giving you inner/outer thighs, ext/curls, press and leg swings. It may be easy for you to tear up squats but its not for everyone man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevey_6t9 View Post
    your direction to people who dont have "real" knee problems wasnt made clear at all, infact all you mention was "knee problems", theres a big difference between them. Im not starting shit at all, you just sounded like a green hardcore trainer advocating everyone regardless of their injuries to start squatting thats all. no need to take it personally.
    Yes you are right I should have clearified that. That is my bad. I am not a trainer but I do help people workout all the time. I would never brow beat someone into doing an exercise that could potentialy hurt them. But just because the excercise is umcomfortable doesnt make it an excuse to not do them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mulldog55 View Post
    I am 21 and have blown out both knees squatting while at lsu. I love squats and are trying to get back into them but the pain is nearly unbearable. Thats why they make other machines to go along with leg press. Considering most machines are isolated to certain areas giving you inner/outer thighs, ext/curls, press and leg swings. It may be easy for you to tear up squats but its not for everyone man.
    2 blown out knees is a serious knee problem. Your not complaining about "bad knees" because you don't just have bad knees you have 2 serious injuries. Theres a big difference between the two. Most people who claim to have bad knees have never had a knee injurie in their life they just find it uncomfortable to squat. I don't blame you at all for not squating and I have mad respect for you for wanting to get back into doing them.

    Honestly with knee injuries like that I wouldnt do them at all but if you want to get back into them I would never go below 10 reps. high rep low weight and even wrap your knees if they still hurt. Being safe is never a bad thing.

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    I agree, that some people say they got this and that issue with their knees and really dont. I tore my quad 3 yrs ago squating, had the opperation to fix it and it was my #1 goal after the op. to get back to squating. I made it back in a year and Im now using more weight than ever.

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    i love squats but only go down to 90 degrees.. or parrallelel to the floor basically.. i don't touch my ass against my ankles as i feel it puts too much stress on the knees vs. benefit.. my legs have good size to them so i don't think it matters too much.. i do both leg press and squats though.. i feel leg presses give me a better hamstring work out then squats do on thier own because i can put my knees all the way against my chest and push.. where i don't feel comfortable doing that with a squat bar since i work out alone

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    I've had 13 knee surgeries and the best thing I ever did after all of them was to return to squatting. I have zero meniscus left in either knee. Synvisc injections every three months keep me going. Squats have helped a ton. Squatting properly is the key. I bothers the shit out of me when people say that running, football, or any other sport caused them knee problems that hasn't allowed them to squat. If you can leg press, lunge, hack squat, or anything similar, you can squat. I'm living proof. And after my last reconstruction (ACL, PCL, replacement), I squatted 7 8 0lbs, with just knee wraps in competition. I'm now training for a 900lb raw squat, yep without any cartilage! LOL! DIG THAT!!! LOL!!!

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    Most people don't squat because one they're hard and two the leg press "looks" more impressive. I can only squat 315 4 times at the end of my squat workout, but can go over afterward and put 16-18 45lb plates on the leg press and rep out 6 or so at the end of that routine. Not sure what my one time max is on either and really dont care, just giving my .02. I don't goto the gym to brag about what I lifted that day, only to put on mass. Work wise the squat is harder but for visual stimulation the leg press is better.

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    Squat is very important and helpful workout for bodybuilders. Squat exercise helps strengthen your body muscle. Many jump programs are advising trainees to do squat for muscle strengthening. But when you feel pain when squatting of course take time to relax your muscle.

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    i've been working out at home (no squat rack) ...been doing prisoner squats and the one where u cup the dumbell practing good form and looking forward to gettin back in the gym and starting with still light and doing it right...only thing is i dont know if its impossible or i'm just super inflexible but i can barely go parallel even then seems as if my feet slide....i think i heard somewhere its harder for tall ppl? i'm 6'3" but going parallel is all i can take seems as even stress begins in hip

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    Quote Originally Posted by l2elapse View Post
    squats are the king of all exercises
    I wouldn't say ALL exercises but I agree totally its the KING for lower body.

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    yes i agree the box squat needs to be outlawed along with out of shape "BB's" that use that squat rack for a tool to do their *CURLS* on. Mastablasta i swear if another individual tells me that they cant squat like a champ and take it to the bucket OR cant squat at all because of some lifechanging catastrophic injury which only seems to impair them from squatting has plauged there life....then i am reminded(by this all to familiar face) as i am tightening my belt past the tightest ****ing notch that iam "The man" because on my small amount of body weight and heavy last set on free weight squat....so i go to get under this 4 plates and dominate this weight with no spotter to the bucket for 6-10.(originally before this person came up to me i planned on 365 for 10)..at this time i am so jacked up and pumped up on all types of drol and so pissed off that one of these people once again is tampering with my leg workout with their mumbo jumbo talk. The difference this time(2 days ago to date) is as mentioned previously i am very fired up,pumped up,and this week was my reversal week so squats are being done last.I can see this person just standing there as i am getting really fired up for my set,then i see he is just staring at me, At this point i feel like i am in some type of rage like the incredible hulk and i turn red as an apple(i took note in mirrors and i feel emotionally untouchable) and said "GET THE HELL AWAY FROM THE SQUAT RACK OR ANY MACHINE FOR THAT MATTER IF IAM NEAR IT BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE ARE GETTING ME SOOO FU*****ING PISSED OFF AND IAM GOING TO SNAP.IF YOU WANT TO BULLSHIT DOI IT ON YOUR OWN TIME" This story has no point except to maybe ease another readers pain and frustrations by knowing that i suffer this struggle along with the rest of my meatheads at least every other leg workout,usually more frequently... i am sorry folks nothings can save you,not even an early morning workout, we will be bombarded with ignorance and stupid questions/comments when people see us moving some major steel or dropping that ass to floor ultimately putting slabs on meat on our whole frame!

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