i see some skinny guys lifting huge numbers and it really makes me wonder what is strength
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i see some skinny guys lifting huge numbers and it really makes me wonder what is strength
There are a TON of variables involved to answer that question. Genetics, technique, bone length, etc. are all factors why the skinny Guy can be super strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by SOON2BESOME1
^^^ I agree with BB
What is your definition of "strength"? Lifting static objects? Lifting and tossing resisting humans around (wrestling etc)?
It's all relative, you could take Johnny Jackson or whoever that is strong as an Ox and put them on a wrestling mat with a sub 200lb NCAA Div1 wrestler and they would be thrown around like a rag doll
Some people for whatever reason (Buster Brown i'm sure touched on some of them) just are dense and extremely strong for their size, and it's not always visible either which is scary. Some dude looks like he never hit a weight rack in his life yet would throw you around at will, crazy.
Then you also have your freaks of nature like Alexander Karelin
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Agreed.......he was def the "man"!Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerfaustWhat is your definition of "strength"? Lifting static objects? Lifting and tossing resisting humans around (wrestling etc)?
It's all relative, you could take Johnny Jackson or whoever that is strong as an Ox and put them on a wrestling mat with a sub 200lb NCAA Div1 wrestler and they would be thrown around like a rag doll
Some people for whatever reason (Buster Brown i'm sure touched on some of them) just are dense and extremely strong for their size, and it's not always visible either which is scary. Some dude looks like he never hit a weight rack in his life yet would throw you around at will, crazy.
Then you also have your freaks of nature like Alexander Karelin
As far as wrestling goes, I believe that has more to do with technique and leverage. I used to wrestle around with a guy my age back in the day who I outweighed by a good 30-40 pounds. He wasn't nearly as strong as me, but he had years and years of wrestling experience. I threw him around much more than he did me, but due to his skill level, we were pretty evenly matched as far as wrestling went. No matter how hard I tried, I just couldn't pin him!! But then again, he never pinned me either...Quote:
Originally Posted by Panzerfaust
To take it one step further there are some big cats out there who technically are weak as shit. This totally blows me away when I see this. There is a Guy in my gym who weighs 275 and is stacked yet it see him doing working sets of 325 for 3 on the flat bench and struggling. I could go on and on but that's not the point. I learned something early on in boxing and it always stuck with me. Never underestimate anyone.....especially if you think they can't hang.
Tendon strength plays a big part in this as well as muscle attachment points which is determined by genetics. Some of those skinny guys will surprise you with the amount of weight they can lift.Quote:
Originally Posted by SOON2BESOME1
That's a good point.....nothing you can do about attachment sites. Bone length is also critical. Shorter guys with a wider base tend to be better squatters then guys with longer legs and are narrower who tend to be more "leg squatters ".Quote:
Originally Posted by 600@50
Yeah, it's def interesting to see
I see straight newbs come in the gym & bench 225 or 275
Yet, some(most) are the opposite
But, all look the same - Similar size & shape. . . . . . . Me being the "size" that I am, I am still super weak for my size. My muscle all around always seemed hollow & lack density. It's hard to describe, but that's how I see it. I have always had size, but it was just mush. It's getting better of course - but still, I am weak to weight. I am getting close to benching triple plates finnaly - But, I weigh almost 220 @ about 10% Bf.
Why not do some PL training for a cycle. You will just be a stronger BB and just get better. Worth looking into.....and you will get your strength in line with your size.Quote:
Originally Posted by <>
Very very much this^^^. High intensity training, like in PL, will increase the muscle tonus resulting in significantly harder muscles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Brown
cns is more responsible for strength, but yes if you have more muscles the more motor unit cns can use to move/lift objects
Short answer no. I say this from personal experience. I consider myself a decent size 6' 200 lbs, not huge by any means. Now i probably can bench 225 twice but i can squat 450 for reps. Its like i have genetically strong/ big legs. I can get upper body to grow but strength goes up very slowly, figure that out.
Simple.....your leverages for bench press strength are not optimal.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaz915
This is true as stated .......maybe with some technique tweaking you could improve and maximize what you to work with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Docd187123
Size do not mean strenght.
strenght do not mean size.
Being bigger than someone dont makes you stronger.
HOWEVER, being bigger than you were, mean that you are stronger(obviously if your form just go down the toilet your strengh will sucks...).
more muscle on the same individual will always mean more potentiel strenght.
More strenght on the same individual will always mean more size.
if every other variable stay the same.
strenght is partly due to the muscle itself, bigger fiber can generate more force.
Nervous control, you get better at recruting muscle fiber.
Technique, allow you to use the right muscle to execute the task.
Mental, and alertness affext dramaticly all your lift.
Can you elaborate on this please? SrsQuote:
Originally Posted by Buster Brown
I've always wanted to comment in this thread but never did, because this is a very hard question to answer...Quote:
Originally Posted by SOON2BESOME1
You see in powerlifting and weightlifting that the further up the dude is with weight class, the stronger he gets.
At the same time, you see swole guys who can barely bench 315.
Like Buster Brown said, TON of variables...........
Strength and size are related to each other and influence one another but strength is also about optimizing CNS/neural motor recruitment. Strength is also dependent on increasing the amount of contractile proteins in the muscle. All things being equal, the person with more lbm will be stronger or at the very least have the capability to be stronger.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyJim
If you want to have a better bench then you need to break the exercise down like a PL. They train lifts and really break things down and are able to pinpoint there weaknesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaz915
Yes, strength is relevant to muscle size..
If you read the whole thread you would see that strength is not relevant to muscle size.Quote:
Originally Posted by papersteroidguy
I didn't read the whole thread but I lost strength as I lost weight (fat).Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Brown
there are girls much heavier (more fat) that can push more weight then me so I too think there are more then 2 variables involved.
Strength will typically go down during periods of undereating. There are exceptions but generally this is the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat
That was my case. I was cutting and lost strength but did gain some back with training. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Docd187123
Very true. Good quality food and lots of it are anabolic to building muscle and building strength.Quote:
Originally Posted by Docd187123
My least favorite part of dropping weight, losing strength.....well that and not being able to eat as much as I want haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat
Looks like you already got some good feedback and I agree in that your cutting led to your strength loss. Even with the glycogen being depleted from your cut would be enough to make you start losing strength. And yes, there are MANY variables.Quote:
Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat
