My 1st cycle as a train for teen nationals!!?

**liftordie** · 05-16-2004, 02:42 PM

Im training for the teen nationals and rethinking doing a cycle again. Im 18 years old and have done PH cycles in the past (I know Ph's are not the real thing) and I feel the only way to win the title is by doing a cycle. Sence im only 18 years old I do not want to **** up my lipido for life. I understand when I cycle off it will take a while to regain it but what im worried about is ruining it for life since im 18. Im considering running equipoise and winstrol . From what I understand it would be safe to do at age 18. Also both of these steroids benifit fat lose and they will not make me retain water so, it would be good to use before teen nationals. please give me your opinions!
thanks,
Pike

**TRE** · 05-16-2004, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by liftordie

Im training for the teen nationals and rethinking doing a cycle again. Im 18 years old and have done PH cycles in the past (I know Ph's are not the real thing) and I feel the only way to win the title is by doing a cycle. Sence im only 18 years old I do not want to **** up my lipido for life. I understand when I cycle off it will take a while to regain it but what im worried about is ruining it for life since im 18. Im considering running equipoise and winstrol . From what I understand it would be safe to do at age 18. Also both of these steroids benifit fat lose and they will not make me retain water so, it would be good to use before teen nationals. please give me your opinions!
thanks,
Pike

You shouldn't even run a cycle but if you are use anavar only. 25mg a day for 6-8 weeks max.

**liftordie** · 05-24-2004, 01:15 PM

anavar will not put size on me....strength yes but not size. I have goals of winning the teen nationals but, I dont want to ruin my natural test for life. I have it set in my mind that I want to win teen nationals and be competitive in npc shows. I need some advice on how to cycle as a teen.
THANKS.......

**liftordie** · 05-24-2004, 01:38 PM

bump

**TRE** · 05-24-2004, 01:42 PM

Anavar will put more size on you then winny will and EQ takes to long to kick in. Anavar wont stunt your growth either.

**RJM03** · 05-24-2004, 01:44 PM

When it comes down to it, you are too young for AS usage and shouldnt be cycling at 18. And do these events test for AS?

**liftordie** · 05-24-2004, 01:47 PM

No they do not test for AS. How old where some of the pros when they started Juicing (I know im defferent then them and it depends on the person)? I could do a d-bol and deca cycle. I dont think it would be to smart to do test at my age....
thanks alot ARF

**RJM03** · 05-24-2004, 01:48 PM

It would be very not smart to do deca or dbol only.

**map200uk** · 05-24-2004, 02:02 PM

lol deca ...bad choice=[

**Consistency** · 05-24-2004, 03:39 PM

Eq and winny dont make you burn fat. And deca and dbol isnt a good cycle either.

**liftordie** · 05-24-2004, 03:48 PM

deca and dbol is pretty much a beginner cycle. Both increase nitrogen in muscles. There are many different choices for cycles of AS. Give me some example cycles to run for my first cycle at my age training for the 2005 teen nationals. O by the way if I only did winny and eq I dont think I could bare the joint pain involved. d-bol and eq would be a better choice. Im a simple mind lost in a complex world!!
peace,
liftordie

**Consistency** · 05-24-2004, 03:53 PM

EQ alone and you would be lucky to gain 6-8 pounds in 12 weeks. The dbol will mostly just add water weight. If you are serious about bodybuilding and want to make a career out of it, then you will need test in any cycle you ever plan to run.

**Demon Deacon** · 05-24-2004, 06:46 PM

Deca will **** with your libido for life buddy. Take it from me, one day i hope to be able to bang girls again but as for now and for the last year it doesnt appear like i will be able to for awhile. Every day it seems to get better but i will never do deca again in my life. STAY AWAY FROM IT

**haaaaaf** · 05-24-2004, 06:52 PM

DO NOT DO DECA AT 18. any deca without test will leave you limp.

**theOD** · 05-24-2004, 07:02 PM

i took deca as part of my first cycle when i was 20. i personally regret it because it makes you crash pretty hard. it definitly took me a while to get my libido back up. i will never think of touching it again until im in my thirties.

**Demon Deacon** · 05-24-2004, 07:03 PM

THEod how long did it take you to get it back?

**haaaaaf** · 05-24-2004, 07:07 PM

are you guys talking about sex drive or erectile function?

**Demon Deacon** · 05-24-2004, 07:14 PM

erectile function... although doesnt that correspond to sex drive. Obviously girls are still going to be attractive but if you can't keep a woody how is that going to help the sex drive.

**haaaaaf** · 05-24-2004, 07:16 PM

have you tried cialis or levitra?

**Demon Deacon** · 05-24-2004, 07:17 PM

I just ordered some cialis havent gotten it yet though. However i am 20 years old. I dont want to have to take it for the rest of my life. But if i have to that is a price i will have to pay for this game.

**haaaaaf** · 05-24-2004, 07:19 PM

Im sure it wont be forever. I am having the same problems right now. Sex drive is good but sometimes it doesnt work so well. Scary as ****.

**Demon Deacon** · 05-24-2004, 07:22 PM

the problem is, is that i continue to do cycles without having the problem corrected. I bet that this is not the best idea. But its not stupidity its dedication.

**haaaaaf** · 05-24-2004, 07:24 PM

does test help you out in that department?

**Demon Deacon** · 05-24-2004, 07:25 PM

No Not At All

**haaaaaf** · 05-24-2004, 07:26 PM

I dont even know what to say, how long have you had this problem?

**Demon Deacon** · 05-24-2004, 07:29 PM

probably about 10 or 11 months. But it seems to be getting better everyday. I used to not even have the urge to have sex. Now everyday i get that pinch. I also have some HCG and more clomid on the way. And Haaaaf maybe we should start our own thread because we just hijacked this thread.

**haaaaaf** · 05-24-2004, 07:30 PM

we can just stop this now. It getting me paranoid. taking the clomid is a good move i think.

**haaaaaf** · 05-24-2004, 07:31 PM

And about this thread, all the guy needs to know is that he is too young to touch any AAS. Its not worth it.

**Demon Deacon** · 05-24-2004, 07:32 PM

The erectile function was completely back towards the end of my last clomid therapy. But then went away. So there is hope.

**1-Cent** · 05-24-2004, 07:37 PM

Remind me why you haven't seen a doctor...

**liftordie** · 05-24-2004, 08:01 PM

Does anyone have any info on taking AAS as a teen (a book website)? I have goals of winning teen nationals and I want everyone at ARF to help me! I want to go far in bodybuilding but, I dont want to ruin my genetic potential (if thats even true). Many pros and teen national champs juiced at a young age and, even tho Im not them I dont want to give up one of my dreams by not taking a step ahead. What im trying to do is not **** my body up to much right now (liver....kidneys...its the price too pay for size, but my natural lipido for life....F@ck no!!!). I never researched steroids until 3-4 months ago because I did not see a point cause I was natural. help me out ARF!!!

**liftordie** · 05-24-2004, 09:09 PM

Would test at my age be any where near as effective as it would be as someone who was in there late 20's? Sence my natural test is high already would test still be as effective?
Im sorry for posting 1,000 times on this thread but, im searching for answers I cant find for some reason. I read a few books on steroids but they dont go into detail. ARF help me out!

**Nwmembr19** · 05-24-2004, 10:00 PM

Okay I am not saying this is a good idea, because i know everyone here will disagree with me and tell me i'm a dumbass but this is my experience. I have been lifting since i was 13. I was only working one muscle group every other day for about nine or ten sets. I was not huge or anything but bigger than most at my school. Well my senior year i was no where near as big as i wanted to be, and most people did not even think i was that big until i took my shirt off. Well i started lifting harder. I am probably going to get flamed for overtraining but i never get sore anymore so my thinking is that i should be lifting harder. I lift six days a week and do 20-22 sets on big muscle groups and 15 for smaller ones. I also stick with a rep range of 8-12, which i now think was a mistake, and always go to failure. To make a long story short I joined at a real gym and saw how small i was. I started looking into juice. I spent six months researching and decided on a sustanon and dbol cycle. I spent alot of money 20 an amp and 1 per 5mg. I did 500mg every eight days and 25mg the first four weeks. I felt like superman. I was 18 with 18.25 inch arms, benching 365 clean squatting at least 405 and just started at probably 305. i looked huge not very attractive though. I was 250lbs at around 15-16 percent.

**Nwmembr19** · 05-24-2004, 10:03 PM

I also did not have money for clomid or any anti e's and now, 7 months later, after cardio and ephedra, I am 240 at 12 percent and still have eighteen inch arms. I am contemplating a winny sustanon cycle i hear it yeilds pretty good results. Any comments or questions? feel free to ask or flame

**Tribex** · 05-24-2004, 10:30 PM

Personally here's what you should do. This cycle will make you blow up...
Dbol - 125mg everyday for 20 weeks
Deca -700 mg every week
And take at least 10 winny and anadrol tabs a day... like candy

No test necessary, nobody uses that stuff anymore. Besides its already in our body, so why use it.
Oh and you wont need and anti-e either... that just overrated.

Or you can just WALK IN FRONT OF A MACK TRUCK. Either way at ur age and talkin the way u are, ur gonna mess yourself up. If you want advice from the guys on this site, but only want to hear certain things they have to say, ur totally off man. Most here know what they're talkin about. This live this lifestyle, not as a quickfix, but as a HARDCORE way of life. Your too young. Dont destroy ur dreams, as you say they are, by throwing your body into the deepend when its not time to swim. Anything that comes easy is this life isnt worth holding on to. And anything that is worth having, will take fighting for. Think about it man. Its ur body, be smart.

**Nwmembr19** · 05-24-2004, 11:01 PM

Well, I'm not going to disagree because that is good advice, but to each his own. I personally felt i was ready. While i was researching i saw a lot of 18 is too young, but what's funny is i know a lot of guys that juice around my age and none of them ****ed their bodies up. The funny thing is none of them knew what they were doing. They did deca only cycles, winny only cycles, even the stupidest thing i have ever heard of. A50 only cycles. I figured if i do what these experienced guys say is the correct way then everything will turn out alright, and it did. The only bad thing that happened was i wanted to do another cycle. I waited more than enough time 7 months and i am probably going to do another cycle. I plan on lifting until i am at least 60. It is the only thing i have stuck with and i have been doing it for six years. It is like a daily ritual for me. So i hope you were not referring to me with that talk about taking the shortcut and everything because i have taken no more of a shortcut than any of you. I just did it at an earlier age. I even lift harder now to keep the gains i worked for.But, this is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt. I think just be smart about it and listen to you guys because, if he is competing at that level then obviously it is not something he plans on quitting, and if he sticks with it then he is going to start sooner or later. After all if you can't beat em join em. I remember when i used to think the guys in flex were that big from prohormones and creatine. What a joke. A lot of those guys did not wait untill they were 25 i can guarantee.