06-03-2004, 07:47 AM #1
This is my first post on this site as well as my first cycle. I am going to run a deca /d bol cycle and was wondering if someone could help me figure it out. I have nova and clomid. I am 20 years old, 205lbs, 6'2, and have trained hard for the past five years. i do have one concern with the deca because i will be getting tested by the NCAA. Thanks
06-03-2004, 07:49 AM #2
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Ya bro you should really research a little more. Also any cycle without a test is not really a good idea IMO.
Deca will stay in your system for atleast 18 months so if you are going to be tested it def isn't the way to go. You may want to try EQ instead.
06-03-2004, 10:26 AM #4
06-03-2004, 11:19 AM #5
what are you looking for? size,strenght, speed?
06-03-2004, 02:08 PM #6
I have two bottles of M1T on hand, would that be worth mixing in? I am going for size and strength, the reason that I wanted to try the deca was because I am coming off an ACL MCL Miniscus surgery and I have read many good things concerning deca with post opp patients and deca with joint recovery.
06-03-2004, 04:20 PM #7
06-03-2004, 05:35 PM #8Originally Posted by map200uk
thanks for the info, could m1t be subsituted for the test
06-03-2004, 05:47 PM #9
06-03-2004, 06:30 PM #10Originally Posted by diablo27185
i like test like everyone else here, but every answer to every question here always ends in "u better add some test". there is no written rule that says u have to run test with cycle...if not please explain why...
06-03-2004, 06:43 PM #11Originally Posted by bubbathegut
Testosterone is the endogenous androgen in the body – it flows through your veins every day of your life. It is responsible for many bodily processes. Elevated testosterone levels can improve the overall psychological state, optimize libido and sexual function, as well as create a more anabolic environment for tissue growth. Normal ranges for hormone replacement therapy are around 60-100mg of testosterone enanthate per week. High doses (over 300mg per week) are frequently used by athletes to improve the anabolic effects of the androgen; resulting in further muscular hypertrophy. The Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis will inhibit its own androgen production when it recognizes exogenous support. Anabolic-androgenic steroid (AAS) cycles lacking testosterone can cause problems for the athlete. Using a progestin (for example, nandrolone or trenbolone ) can cause a build up of progesterone – which can result in poor disposition and lack of sexual desire in the absence of testosterone. For this reason, even at simple replacement doses, testosterone should be the base of any AAS cycle.
06-03-2004, 07:42 PM #12
ok from what i have been reading progesterone is a female hormone that is released into the body in the absence of testosterone ...as u may have figured out by now i like ask questions to challenge the norm...
06-03-2004, 10:41 PM #13Originally Posted by Warrior
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06-04-2004, 01:31 PM #16
listen to the vets and mods on this one
06-04-2004, 01:36 PM #17
06-04-2004, 02:13 PM #18Originally Posted by bigordie
Weeks 1-10; Test Cypionate, 200mg E3D (467mg/wk)
Weeks 1-5; Dianabol , 30mg ED
Weeks 5-12, Nolvadex , 10mg ED
Follow up with PCT
Stay away from Deca (nandrolone ) if you are subject to AAS testing - it is likely to remain in your system for quite some time... it is very foreign to your body (unlike an endogenous compound like testosterone which can only be found out via a T/E ratio). Even a minute trace of nandrolone (which could release into your blood from mobizing fat stores many months later) will result in a positive test...
06-04-2004, 02:23 PM #19Originally Posted by bubbathegut
"Nandrolone is proven to be a progestin. This fact is of clear importance in bodybuilding, because while moderate Deca -only use actually lowers estrogen levels as a consequence of reducing natural testosterone levels and thus allowing the aromatase enzyme less substrate to work with, Deca nonetheless can cause gyno in some individuals. Furthermore, just as progesterone will to a point increase sex drive in women, and then often decrease it as levels get too high, high levels of progestogenic steroids can kill sex drive in male bodybuilders, though there is a great deal of individual variability as to what is too much.
Incidentally, this progestogenic activity also inhibits LH production, and contrary to common belief, even small amounts of Deca are quite inhibitory, approximately as much so as the same amount of testosterone .
What relevance does this have to an article on antiestrogens? Well, antiestrogens can do nothing about these side effects of Deca."
06-04-2004, 05:06 PM #20
thank you warrior for help explaining the issue, it actually makes more sense now...
06-05-2004, 12:43 PM #21Originally Posted by Lozgod
yeah thats what i did, and not only steroid .com said it was a good beginer cycle, but after hearing everything you guys have explained to me concerning test (i had no idea it was that vital in a cycle) i definitly changed my mind. thanks.
06-05-2004, 12:48 PM #22
That cycle sounds good warrior i will see where i can find some cyp and run the cycle you suggested
06-05-2004, 01:03 PM #23Originally Posted by bigordie
06-05-2004, 03:04 PM #24
06-05-2004, 03:12 PM #25Originally Posted by bigordie
BTW - Eq can be hard on the hairline (you can scratch you head over a white sheet of paper to see how you react to it)... so if you have a history of male pattern baldness (hairloss) in your family - I would go with the Deca...
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