make fun of me post. Different paradigms I guess. You guys wanna look huge and I just want to look good without clothes on for the ladies. I know Im not Huge Huge in terms of you guys, but I guess when I started off as I wanted to get ripped. And the clen and ketotiprofen stuff, hmm I dont know.. As soon as I got off that crap I saw more definition on my abs, so Im thinking clen or keto makes you fat. Now I guess Ill just sit and wait it out and see how much weight really comes off when I stop the gear.