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    pct help

    whats pct?
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    Look up pheednos PCT for short cycles. PCT should start two weeks after your last shot with sus 250. IMO...I would shock the testes with a little HCG ...and then bring in the clomid. Do you have these things??

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    Pct starts 3 weeks after last shot of sus. Not 2

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    I have noticed the 3 week time for pCT in a lot of threads.

    Quote Originally Posted by MBaraso
    Pct starts 3 weeks after last shot of sus. Not 2
    What is the theory behind this??? Because of the Deca in Sus???

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    deca in sus????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbigdog69
    What is the theory behind this??? Because of the Deca in Sus???

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    There's no deca is sus. Your thinking of nandrolone decanoate.
    Sus has 4 different types of test in it, one of them takes 3 weeks to clear the system.
    So clomid starts 3 weeks after last injection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lalaland
    ive just finished a short cycle of sus 250.....lasted for about 6 or so weeks and only about 8 or so ml's.what i need to know is when and what to take for PCT.clomid?when do i start this?
    you kind of needed to know this before hand dont you think? always be prepared

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    i have a fair idea from another mate
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    in case u do get HCG , do not ever use it togehter at the same time as clomid. jsut a little FYI

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    Huh???

    Quote Originally Posted by MBaraso
    There's no deca is sus. Your thinking of nandrolone decanoate.
    Sus has 4 different types of test in it, one of them takes 3 weeks to clear the system.
    So clomid starts 3 weeks after last injection.
    It is nandrolone decanoate...however...it is essentially close to the same compound as deca. However, the nan deca takes longer to get started and out of the system. But I have always seen 17 days so I generally say 2 weeks after last shot. Also, I always start clomid a little early to get everything started.

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    Short cycle...

    Quote Originally Posted by lalaland
    i have a fair idea from another mate but i wanted to make sure...this is what the forum is for. yes i do have clomid.HCG i do not have.duno if u can get it in australia.??
    Because you do not know if the HCG is available you will probably be O.K. without HCG since your cycle was so short. Get some tribulus and use at 4grms ed until your levels come back to normal.



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    There's no need for HCG with your cycle...... it was short and mild.

    3 weeks after last SUS injection start PCT and use Clomid / Nolvadex / l-dex

    Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
    Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
    Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbigdog69
    It is nandrolone decanoate...however...it is essentially close to the same compound as deca . However, the nan deca takes longer to get started and out of the system. But I have always seen 17 days so I generally say 2 weeks after last shot. Also, I always start clomid a little early to get everything started.

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    deca is nandrolone DECAnoate. there is no deca is sus(sustanon ). sus is a blend of 4 different test esters. poure test not deca at all bro. sorry if it sounds like a flame or anything cause its not. jsut trying to help out

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    Deca -Durabolin :

    Brand Names: Anabolicum, Anabolin LA-100, Anaboline, Androlone-D 200, Deca-Durabolin, Deca-Durabolin 100, Depo-Nandrolone , Dequibolin-100, Elpihormo, Extraboline, Hybolin Decanoate, Jebolan, Kabolin, Nandrolate, Nandrolone Decanoate, Nandrol Decanoate, Nandrobolic L.A., Neo-Durabolic, Norandren 50, Norandren 200, Nurezan, Pri-Andriol LA, Retabolil, Retabolin, Sterobolin, Turinabol Depot, Ziremilon,

    Sustanon 250 is an oil-based injectable containing four different testosterone compounds: testosterone propionate , 30 mg; testosterone phenylpropionate, 60 mg; testosterone isocaproate, 60mg; and testosterone decanoate, 100 mg.

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    This will help a little more about sus 250 from Basskilleronline.com

    ESTER PROFILES

    Sustanon : The "king" of testosterone blends.
    The four different testosterone esters in this product certainly look appealing to the consumer, there is no denying that. But for the athlete I think it is all just a matter of marketing (Hell, why buy one ester when you can get four?). In clinical situations I can see some strong uses for it. If you were undergoing testosterone replacement therapy for example, you would probably find Sustanon a much more comfortable option than testosterone enanthate . You would need to visit the doctor less frequently for an injection, and blood levels should be more steadily maintained between treatments. But for the bodybuilder who is injecting 4 ampules of Sustanon per week, there is no advantage over other testosterone products. In fact, the high price tag for Sustanon usually makes it a very poor buy in the face of cheaper testosterone enanthate /cypionate . Bodybuilders should probably stop looking at the four ester issue, and stick with totals (Sustanon is just a 250mg testosterone ampule). Were enanthate to be available for say $10 per amp of 250mg, and Sustanon priced nearly double that, buying the Sustanon would be like throwing money away. If you could get nearly double the milligram amount for the same price with enanthate, this is the better product to go with hands down. Leave the high priced stuff for the guys who don't know any better.

    Acetate: Chemical Structure C2H4O2.

    Also referred to as Acetic Acid; Ethylic acid; Vinegar acid; vinegar; Methanecarboxylic acid. Acetate esters delay the release of a steroid for only a couple of days. Contrary to what you may have read, acetate esters do not increase the tendency for fat removal. Again, there is no known mechanism for it to do so. This ester is used on oral primobolan tablets (metenolone acetate), Finaplix (trenbolone acetate) implant pellets, and occasionally testosterone.

    Propionate : Chemical Structure C3H6O2.

    Also referred to as Carboxyethane; hydroacrylic acid; Methylacetic acid; Ethylformic acid; Ethanecarboxylic acid; metacetonic acid; pseudoacetic acid; Propionic Acid. Propionate esters will slow the release of a steroid for several days. To keep blood levels from fluctuating greatly, propionate compounds are usually injected two to three times weekly. Testosterone propionate and methandriol dipropionate (two separate propionate esters attached to the parent steroid methandriol) are popular items.

    Phenylpropionate: Chemical Structure C9H10O2.

    Also referred to as Propionic Acid Phenyl Ester. Phenylpropionate will extend the release of active steroid a few days longer than propionate. To keep blood levels even, injections are given at least twice weekly. Durabolin is the drug most commonly seen with a phenylpropionate ester (nandrolone phenylpropionate), although it is also used with testosterone in Sustanon and Omnadren .

    Isocarpoate: Chemical Structure C6H12O2.

    Also referred to as Isocaproic Acid; isohexanoate; 4-methylvaleric acid. Isocaproate begins to near enanthate in terms of release. The duration is still shorter, with a notable hormone level being sustained for approximately one week. This ester is used with testosterone in the blended products Sustanon and Omnadren.

    Caproate: Chemical Structure C6H12O2.

    Also referred to as Hexanoic acid; hexanoate; n-Caproic Acid; n-Hexoic acid; butylacetic acid; pentiformic acid; pentylformic acid; n-hexylic acid; 1-pentanecarboxylic acid; hexoic acid; 1-hexanoic acid; Hexylic acid; Caproic acid. This ester is identical to isocarpoate in terms of atom count and weight, but is laid out slightly different (Isocaproate has a split configuration, difficult to explain here but easy to see on paper). Release duration would be very similar to isocaproate (levels sustained for approximately one weak), perhaps coming slightly closer to enanthate due to its straight chain. Caproate is the slowest releasing ester used in Omnadren, which is why most athletes notice more water retention with this compound.

    Enanthate: Chemical Structure C7H14O2.

    Also referred to as heptanoic acid; enanthic acid; enanthylic acid; heptylic acid; heptoic acid; Oenanthylic acid; Oenanthic acid. Enanthate is one of the most prominent esters used in steroid manufacture (most commonly seen with testosterone but is also used in other compounds like Primobolan Depot). Enanthate will release a steady (yet fluctuating as all esters are) level of hormone for approximately 10-14 days. Although in medicine enanthate compounds are often injected on a bi-weekly or monthly basis, athletes will inject at least weekly to help maintain a uniform blood level.

    Cypionate: Chemical Structure C8H14O2.

    Also referred to as Cyclopentylpropionic acid, cyclopentylpropionate. Cypionate is a very popular ester here in the U.S., although it is scarcely found outside this region. Its release duration is almost identical to enanthate (10-14 days), and the two are likewise thought to be interchangeable in U.S. medicine. Althletes commonly hold the belief than cypionate is more powerful than enanthate, although realistically there is little difference between the two. The enanthate ester is in fact slightly smaller than cypionate, and it therefore releases a small (perhaps a few milligrams) amount of steroid more in comparison.

    Decanoate: Chemical Structure C10H20O2.

    Also referred to as decanoic acid; capric acid; caprinic acid; decylic acid, Nonanecarboxylic acid. The Decanoate ester is most commonly used with the hormone nandrolone (as in Deca -Durabolin) and is found in virtually all corners of the world. Testosterone decanoate is also the longest acting constituent in Sustanon, greatly extending its release duration. The release time with Decanoate compounds is listed to be as long as one month, although most recently we are finding that levels seem to drop significantly after two weeks. To keep blood levels more uniform, athletes (as they have always known to do) will follow a weekly injection schedule.

    Undecylenate: Chemical Structure C11H20O2.

    Also referred to as Undecylenic acid; Hendecenoic acid; Undecenoic acid. This ester is very similar to decanoate, containing only one carbon atom more. Its release duration is likewise very similar (approximately 2-3 weeks), perhaps extending a day or so past that seen with decanoate. Undecylenate seems to be exclusive to the veterinary preparation Equipoise (boldenone undecylenate), although there is no reason it would not work well in human-use preparations (Equipoise certainly works fine for athletes). Again, weekly injections are most common.

    Undecanoate: Chemical Structure C11H22O2.

    Also referred to as Undecanoic Acid; 1-Decanecarboxylic acid; Hendecanoic acid; Undecylic acid. Undecanoate is not a commonly found ester, and only appears to be used in the nandrolone preparation Dynabolan , and oral testosterone undecanoate (Andriol ). Since this ester is chemically very similar to undecylenate (it is only 2 hydrogen atoms larger), it has a similar release duration (approximately 2-3 weeks). Although this ester is used in the oral preparation Andriol, there is no reason to believe it carries any properties unique of other esters. Andriol in fact works very poorly at delivering testosterone, bolstering the idea that oral administration is not the idea use of esterified androgens.

    Laurate: Chemical structure C12H24O2.

    Also referred to as Dodecanoic acid, laurostearic acid, duodecyclic acid, 1-undecanecarboxylic acid, and dodecoic acid. Laurate is the longest releasing ester used in commercial steroid production, although longer acting esters do exist. Its release duration would be closer to one month than the other esters listed above, although realistically we are probably to expect a notable drop in hormone level after the third week. Laurate is exclusively found in the veterinary nandrolone preparation Laurabolin , perhaps seen as slightly advantageous over a decanoate ester due to a less frequent injection schedule. Again athletes will most commonly inject this drug weekly, no doubt in part due to its low strength (25mg/ml or 50mg/ml).

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    okay
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    bump!

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    Start asap!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by lalaland
    okay thanx for ur help guys.....

    so il start the clomid 2-3 weeks after my last shot?

    and when do i start the trib is my last question?

    again thanx for all the help.
    Tribulus can also be run during a cycle to help keep natural levels up s well. Peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by lalaland
    okay thanx for ur help guys.....

    so il start the clomid 2-3 weeks after my last shot?

    and when do i start the trib is my last question?

    again thanx for all the help.
    Start PCT 3 WEEKS after last SUS injection.

    You can start the tribulus at anytime before PCT. Use 4g ED

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    thanks boys cheers!

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    This will help you a little more also....Peace

    http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?threadid=646


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