Thread: Low testosterone
08-17-2004, 04:54 PM #1
My Free Testosterone: 4.3
Total testosterone - morning sample (nanograms per deciliter or nano-moles per liter) 270 1070 ng/dl
(9.36 37.10 nmol/L)
Free testosterone - morning sample (picrograms per milliliter or pico-moles per liter) 20 40 yr 15.0 40.0 pg/ml (520 1387 pmol/L)
41 60 yr 13.0 35.0 pg/ml (451 1213 pmol/L)
My Serum Test: 76
Reference range: 241 to 827
My ANDR: 36 (low, not sure on units or avr range)
My DHEA: 117
Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) (nanograms per deciliter or nano-moles per liter) 180 1250 ng/dl
( 6.24 43.3 nmol/L)
Now my estradiol, LH, prolactin, TSH are all fine. But obviously high in relation to my test levels. I take 1-2mg of finasteride every day. I have been away from AAS for over a year now. Right now i am trying to figure out why my levels are so low. Is it something possibly wrong with my feedback loop? My finasteride(& to what extent)?
I am planning on seeing an endocrinologist asap. But wow, i just am shocked on how shiity my levels really are! I mean, i would assume i would be a depressed, and definately not an arrogant prick on paper . What is the deal?
08-17-2004, 05:15 PM #2
I'll first just cut and paste what I wrote at MS, so I don't have to rehash it:
If your estradiol is normal and your total test is low, your free test will likely be low too. If LH and FSH are in range and serum test is still low, that tells me that the leydig cells weren't (or aren't) fully "primed" before pct started (via HCG ).
resistance training itself causes test spikes, but be very careful of overtraining at this point.
If you've just come off of tren or deca , that could explain the increased wbc count. I haven't seen that in my own bloodwork, but some others have. If the doc didn't do a differential after seeing the elevated wbc count, i wouldn't worry.
If you're still doing pct, I'd add a low dose AI if you haven't already.
finasteride lowering DHT will also cause an increased SHBG level (or rather due to the LACK of DHT, a strong androgen), which will further lower free test, but should have little effects on total test.
If you've been off awhile and have normal gonadotropin levels but still low test, I'd hop on HCG to hyperstimulate the testes (leydig cells)....are they back to normal size (normal for you, that is)?
having low andro, DHEA and total test (and free test) are all indicative of hypoactive leydig cells, since your LH levels are normal.
Where within normal ranges is your estradiol? High normal?
At this point, HCG would be the best option IMO. Your LH levels are normal, but hyperstimulating them in hopes of getting the Leydig cells fully functioning again is what you need to do.
08-17-2004, 05:18 PM #3
Estradiol is 48, and the range should just be somewhere below 54pg/ml. so, yes i guess it is high/normal.
08-17-2004, 05:24 PM #4Originally Posted by 956Vette
I'd say HCG with a low dose AI would be your best bet, possibly followed again by clomid, but the clomid probably won't be necessary, depending on how short of period you use the HCG, as gonadotropin levels aren't your problem
08-17-2004, 05:30 PM #5Originally Posted by einstein1905
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08-17-2004, 07:24 PM #8Originally Posted by 956Vette
08-17-2004, 08:42 PM #9
This is some good info.... wish I could post on MS.... This reminds me that I need to get my blood done too.
Vette you didnt tell your priamary doc about your AAS usage did you?
08-17-2004, 08:44 PM #10Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle
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08-17-2004, 09:00 PM #12Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle
08-17-2004, 09:09 PM #13
I know you like to drink...and at times take some pain meds,or some other type of seditive.I know alcohol suppresses test output.You think this could possibly be part of the problem?
08-17-2004, 09:25 PM #14Originally Posted by Da Bull
There are so many variables that can effect one's testosterone levels to a certain extent(sleep, diet, drinking, meds, training, etc), but i dont see any reason in particular for all my levels to be this low. I havent even graduated college yet (yes, i could be on the five yr plan )
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Keep us posted 956. I am interested to see what the endo came up with. And yea they are very low readings.
08-19-2004, 09:25 AM #16Originally Posted by bluethunder
For now, i guess my training is just going to consist of a half-ass chest/back and cardio day today Overtraining would be pretty easily done it seems.
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