Thread: Liquidex and Gains
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09-19-2004, 06:14 AM #1New Member
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Liquidex and Gains
I'm running 300mg of test cypionate per week, with liquidex. I was wondering if liquidex blocks gains? I read somewhere it either blocks some gains or slows it down. Can anyone confirm this ??
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09-19-2004, 07:16 AM #2
IMO; if you have your dosage correct...not using to much...it will not hinder your gains a noticeable amount. IMO it (AI) is a necessary ancilliary when using test...I would never use it without, but maybe that's just me. Good Luck Bro...
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09-19-2004, 07:43 AM #3Senior Member
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Well let me ask you this, Is a couple of pounds of water weight worth gyno?
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09-19-2004, 07:43 AM #4Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by tydavis6406
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09-19-2004, 07:45 AM #5
Liquidex will not hinder gains...... There have been studies that show that nolvadex will slightly decrease IGF-1 levels but still not enough to effect your gains.
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09-19-2004, 07:46 AM #6Originally Posted by Ntpadude
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09-19-2004, 07:49 AM #7Senior Member
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Originally Posted by TheMudMan
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09-19-2004, 07:59 AM #8Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by TheMudMan
For such a low dose cycle, better to use things like nolva or clomid for anti-e. L-Dex is just too strong for such a low dose cycle.
Myself, I verified doing 700 mg of test a week, my estrogens with no anti-e's or AI's at all was verified by blood test as still being below levels necessary to cause gyno and no detectable progesterone. However my blood pressure was low, HDL/LDL's were good, and this was because I was monitoring and allowing increases in my estrogen. My early cycles using L-dex had my Cholesterol 100 points higher then when I was on a 8 month no l-dex cycle using double the gear and my triglicerides were down 200 points and blood pressure was lower. L-dex definately had me screwed up and headed for trouble, but doing no anti-e except for nolva and clomid to respond to periodic simptoms as they occur had really brought around and straightened out my lipids and blood pressure.
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09-19-2004, 08:06 AM #9
So ntpadue,
Are you suggesting that anyone taking less than 700mg of Test per week not take any anti's at all unless you get signs of gyno?
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09-19-2004, 08:16 AM #10Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Hawkman44
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09-19-2004, 08:16 AM #11New Member
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Originally Posted by kronik
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09-19-2004, 08:27 AM #12Senior Member
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Originally Posted by tydavis6406
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09-19-2004, 08:33 AM #13Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by kronik
Arimidex /L-dex inhibits conversion, quite often L-dex prevents ALL estrogen conversion to the point you end up with no estrogen in the body at all and this causes the bad lipid problems and high blood pressure.
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09-19-2004, 08:41 AM #14New Member
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Originally Posted by Ntpadude
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09-19-2004, 10:17 AM #15Originally Posted by tydavis6406
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09-19-2004, 10:17 AM #16Originally Posted by Ntpadude
Also, these test you took where on you not another person.
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09-19-2004, 10:20 AM #17Originally Posted by tydavis6406
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09-19-2004, 03:39 PM #18
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09-19-2004, 03:46 PM #19Originally Posted by Guardian74
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09-19-2004, 04:02 PM #20Originally Posted by Froggy
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09-19-2004, 04:08 PM #21
IMO; The lipid profile thing is a valid concern when running an AI...so the nolva will compliment this well by having a positive effect on lipids.
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09-19-2004, 04:20 PM #22
Thanks alot. Peace Frog.
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09-19-2004, 04:38 PM #23
You will not hinder gains, especially with .25 mg of l-dex. IMO bump up the test if you can, 300 is low.
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09-20-2004, 01:11 PM #24
Nptadude, did you use nolva with the l-dex during your earlier cycles? One of the major reasons for taking nolva with an AI is to prevent the problems associated with low estrogen. Nolva mimics estogen in bone tissue as well as breast tissue.
I don't remember who it was, but one of the mods here said that while taking nolva with l-dex his cholesterol levels were unchanged. Another (maybe billybathgate) did several tests using femera and his estrogen was still above normal.
Also, his test dose is not "slightly higher than the normal 21 year old". It's about 4 times as much, and gyno has been caused from HCG which won't raise test levels to 300mg/week.
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